Stuart Brennan: the truth about M.U.F.C.F.F.P.

[john68]

John,
Although the level of turnover is obviously a major factor, the important figure is the FFPR break even result when all costs/income are taken into consideration.

Even with our greatly increased turnover, we still posted a loss of £-99.7M in that regard.
The figurefor 2010-11 (the latest I have) show;
Rags.....£53M, Arsenal £45M, Spurs £17M, Liverpool £23M, Newcastle £45M...all in credit.
City £-99.7M (2011-12 very latest figures) and Chelsea £-8M are the only 2 relevant clubs in a loss situation. I am certain that Chelsea posted recent figures showing they had moved into credit.

If a domestic FFPR were to be passed, all those other clubs would pass and we would fail.

Even with increased revenue you have added, and judging by the clubs public reaction to the domestic FFPR proposal, we could still be somewhere up shit creek. Much of this depends on the timescale (if any) should it get the required 14 votes.

[Rag_hater]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the rags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

[Scatman]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

[Scatman]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

[Scatman]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

[john68]

Coshe's Rag Hater and that's what rag haters do...when they're not trying to be contraversial on other subjects and seek attention.

[Rag_hater]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

I feel that its better to fuck up those fuckers before they do it to us and, if that means being unfair then so be it.

[simon12]

I just like the fact the munes are shiting themselves and that, that fact is out in the open.

[Swales4ever]

Ermmm.... I understand and respect (piss takings at 68 aside) the fact that this is perceived as THE MAIN ISSUE for City sake, by many and many brilliant minds.

But is Mancityfans.net turning into BlueMoon?

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Anyways, congrats to Messrs. Brennan and Szymanski for showing journalism off..... and MORE IMPORTANTLY, to CEO Ferran Soriano for using the Media as a Senior Professional Director should do.
Thanks Khaldoon and Gods for that at City

[Florida Blue]

That bit about "thriving in a competitive environment" is NOT true.

They thrived because they gained control of that environment, manipulated the rules to suit themselves and make it uncompetitive. The angle of what was once a reasonably LEVEL playing field was not simply changed, it was tipped up and flipped over.

Stop being so pragmatic.. ;)

What gets me here is it will requie 14 of 20 teams, or in this instance, take out the 4 pushing this 10 from 16, and then take City and Chelsea out 10 from 14. What interest would Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, etc have in this?? I am sure they all aspire for a white knight owner and this would shut it out. Not only the club for the future of winning, but a potential huge payday for current ownership. Nothing with the FA surprises me, but this seems a bit far-fetched as being plausible.

[Scatman]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

[Scatman]

I read the article this morning and thought it was a good piece.


Finally bringing forward what fucking snakes the yrags are,if we won the league for the next 20 years and was widely deemed the best team if for instance Newcastle got a massively wealthy owner and became better than us then so be it i wouldnt push for rule changes to fuck people over.


Gill and the rags and the other posse are wankers.

Really.I would

Why is that?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

If the old, supposed "elite" set of clubs continue to push for a League equivalent to FFP, perhaps City should suggest a different agenda be brought to the table where, instead of turnover etc, the level of debt held by any one club becomes of paramount importance and, therefore, a constraining feature.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

If the old, supposed "elite" set of clubs continue to push for a League equivalent to FFP, perhaps City should suggest a different agenda be brought to the table where, instead of turnover etc, the level of debt held by any one club becomes of paramount importance and, therefore, a constraining feature.

I think that debt should not be more than turnover, as this would stop clubs running the risk of going out of business. It would also stop money going out of football, for instance, in keeping shopping malls open in the USA. And would also leave cash-rich clubs to put money into football. Still....

[Ted Hughes]

If the old, supposed "elite" set of clubs continue to push for a League equivalent to FFP, perhaps City should suggest a different agenda be brought to the table where, instead of turnover etc, the level of debt held by any one club becomes of paramount importance and, therefore, a constraining feature.

I think that debt should not be more than turnover, as this would stop clubs running the risk of going out of business. It would also stop money going out of football, for instance, in keeping shopping malls open in the USA. And would also leave cash-rich clubs to put money into football. Still....

We could also suggest that all tv money & Champions League money is shared equally between all teams. Lets see how 'fair' Gill & Co want to be.

[Blue Since 76]

We could also suggest that all tv money & Champions League money is shared equally between all teams. Lets see how 'fair' Gill & Co want to be.

Or that merchandise sales outside your area have to be shared, as happens in America. See how keen the rags are to have to give Brighton and FC Bangkok a share of their shirt sales.

I'd also fix ticket prices at a percentage of average local income. That would allow for the additional costs of running a club in London without being able to charge £1000 for your cheapest season ticket and then claiming poverty.

[patrickblue]

That bit about "thriving in a competitive environment" is NOT true.

They thrived because they gained control of that environment, manipulated the rules to suit themselves and make it uncompetitive. The angle of what was once a reasonably LEVEL playing field was not simply changed, it was tipped up and flipped over.

Stop being so pragmatic.. ;)

What gets me here is it will requie 14 of 20 teams, or in this instance, take out the 4 pushing this 10 from 16, and then take City and Chelsea out 10 from 14. What interest would Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, etc have in this?? I am sure they all aspire for a white knight owner and this would shut it out. Not only the club for the future of winning, but a potential huge payday for current ownership. Nothing with the FA surprises me, but this seems a bit far-fetched as being plausible.

This is my feeling too. I know the opinion has been expressed that it will be perceived by a lot of club owners as a way of cutting costs, by costing less to compete, but that seems to me to assume that they are a bit dim.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

That bit about "thriving in a competitive environment" is NOT true.

They thrived because they gained control of that environment, manipulated the rules to suit themselves and make it uncompetitive. The angle of what was once a reasonably LEVEL playing field was not simply changed, it was tipped up and flipped over.

Stop being so pragmatic.. ;)

What gets me here is it will requie 14 of 20 teams, or in this instance, take out the 4 pushing this 10 from 16, and then take City and Chelsea out 10 from 14. What interest would Stoke, Norwich, Sunderland, etc have in this?? I am sure they all aspire for a white knight owner and this would shut it out. Not only the club for the future of winning, but a potential huge payday for current ownership. Nothing with the FA surprises me, but this seems a bit far-fetched as being plausible.

This is my feeling too. I know the opinion has been expressed that it will be perceived by a lot of club owners as a way of cutting costs, by costing less to compete, but that seems to me to assume that they are a bit dim.

Alternatively, this could be the moment (new TV deal) for owners to cut their costs and take some profit out of their clubs for themselves instead of paying it to players. Greed is a big motivator in football, as we know.

[Michigan Blue]

The club should release a statement supporting the full implementation of UEFA FFP regulations in England, with one slight modification. Instead of infrastructure investments (stadium, academy, etc.) not counting towards overall expenditure, they are subtracted from transfer fee and wage expenditures.

This will go a long way towards protecting the league from more Portsmouths. Mainly though it will flush out the likes of the Rags and expose them for the craven, cynical opportunists they are, when they inevitably knock it back.

[dazby]

I'm stunned by the amount of rags that think they've succeeded through organic growth. I know they are stupid but they are really stupid.

And then I read the Martin Samuel article and comments by Arsenal fans who think they succeeded through organic growth. I expected better from them.

Then there's the Tottenham fans who think that Gareth Bale is a home grown product.

sigh.