Dennis Suarez

[Ted Hughes]

We have Marwood as one of the guests at the next disabled supporters meeting http://www.mcdsa.co.uk will be interesting to get his views on the current crop of youth and how they will fit into the team.

Very much so.

Personally I'd be really interested to know what percentage of 1st team players he & tricky expect to come from the academy in the future & how far down the line they think that will be achieved realistically.

[Blue Since 76]

Without a proper reserve league for them to play in, we need to make more of the loan system. Either premier league teams or decent Championship sides. Look at the difference it made to Hart and the rags have been using it for years to make or break their players.

The odd league cup games isn't enough. Half or a full season with seasoned pros will show whether they have top 4 potential. If we're not going to play them anyway, it's no detriment to our squad if they're not available. And it has to be England - none us are sure about Guidetti due to the differences in the Dutch league. If he'd done that for Wigan last season, he'd have been out first choice striker in August (injury aside).

[Ted Hughes]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

[the_georgian_genius]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

Football fans wrongly assume that academies are in action to produce the next Messi or Aguero which is wrong. They are there for the exact reason you have just said, to save the club money on transfers and wages.

Are Welbeck, Cleverley and Evans world class players? No they are decent squad players who love the club and will do anything for it.

I would have been happy with Boyata before his two loan spells to be our 4th/5th centre half. There is no reason why Guidetti can not be our 4th striker, especially when nearly the whole of Europe only has 3. Rekik the same, if we sell Kolarov do we need to spend even £10m and £50,000 per week when we have him here?

If Micah Richards was 18/19 now he wouldn't get in our side but i can't wait for him to come back at 24.

[Beefymcfc]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

Ted, what you are essentially saying is what we've already got in plan for the future. That is exactly what we are trying to replicate.

[the_georgian_genius]

Weiss is another perfect example. Would he have not had the same or even a better impact than Sinclair?

[Ted Hughes]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

Ted, what you are essentially saying is what we've already got in plan for the future. That is exactly what we are trying to replicate.

That's fine so long as we actually do it rather than just talk about it & sign more Maicons instead.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

Ted, what you are essentially saying is what we've already got in plan for the future. That is exactly what we are trying to replicate.

That's fine so long as we actually do it rather than just talk about it & sign more Maicons instead.

Exactly. Mancini's very old school in the sense that he wants to buy himself out of trouble. He needs to think more long term I think. Or he needs someone to make him think more long term.

[Ted Hughes]

Weiss is another perfect example. Would he have not had the same or even a better impact than Sinclair?

He could have done, but he never really learned how to play football, which was unfortunately true of many of the academy products from the old regime. Weiss has loads of natural talent, easily enough to play in our team but no idea what to do with it. some of these kids like Suarez though, have been brought through with the right kind of basics for our current 1st team. He may actually have less talent than Weiss & he may not make it at all, I have no idea without seeing him play regularly in the 1st team, but I do know he could certainly knock a football around with Silva & that may be all we need in some circumstances.

[Ted Hughes]

Just taking the 'Suarez' theme a step further.

Imagine (just for the sake of argument) that next season we had 4 or 5 players from our academy who were 'ok'. Not world beaters but decent.

Then look at the first team squad contribution this season so far of:

Richards
Rodwell
Balotelli
Nasri
Sinclair
Maicon
Wright
Kolo Toure


Now I know some are down to injury & will possibly come good, some have chpped in with the odd goal or assist etc BUT just imagine we had ditched most of those this season & instead had 6 academy lads plus signed 2 absolute world class players. (I'm just using this as an example, not advocating it)

The transfer fees out, & savings on wages etc would pretty much cover the two top players coming in, without us having to dip into the actual transfer kitty we had lined up. Then we could have bought one more world class player out of that kitty, giving us 3, new, world class players.

Result= miles better squad; hard core of top quality, with some decent pros, plus academy to fill all the holes & perhaps find a star there too.

Doing it all in one season is an exaggeration but I'm trying to make the point; this is why we need to start using the academy over the coming seasons. They can do the jobs that we are hiring extra players to do & allow us to buy absolute quality rather than squad fillers. And that is assuming the academy lads are only good enough to 'do a job'. One or two may turn out to be special.

Sometimes lads who turn out not to be good enough still help out for a short time. Boyata did that but then Bob took it too far by selecting him as a 1st choice for big games rather than just an emergency stand in.

Now is the time to start planning this. Clear a few out in the summer, sign quality & use some of the kids.

Ted, what you are essentially saying is what we've already got in plan for the future. That is exactly what we are trying to replicate.

That's fine so long as we actually do it rather than just talk about it & sign more Maicons instead.

Exactly. Mancini's very old school in the sense that he wants to buy himself out of trouble. He needs to think more long term I think. Or he needs someone to make him think more long term.

Well tbf, we haven't had many kids good enough to find out so far, but we are fast reaching the point where that is about to change. Then we will find out where Bob stands on this.

[phips]

i don't see Mancini playing him or any other youth

Mmmm, are you sure?

what makes you think otherwise?

[Tokyo Blue]

He might get a game next week. Can he be worse than Nasri was today?

[Beefymcfc]

i don't see Mancini playing him or any other youth

Mmmm, are you sure?

what makes you think otherwise?

The fact that he's given them a chance, maybe.

PS. Read the rest of the thread, it'll give you an insight.

[Brad]

He might aswel leave because Manchini would rather play Nasri.

[phips]

i don't see Mancini playing him or any other youth

Mmmm, are you sure?

what makes you think otherwise?

The fact that he's given them a chance, maybe.
PS. Read the rest of the thread, it'll give you an insight.

That was a serious question. And I have read the entire thread, twice.
Nothing in it proves that Mancini has a track record of playing or any future intention to play our youngsters.

Exactly. Mancini's very old school in the sense that he wants to buy himself out of trouble.

My thoughts exactly.

[Beefymcfc]

i don't see Mancini playing him or any other youth

Mmmm, are you sure?

what makes you think otherwise?

The fact that he's given them a chance, maybe.
PS. Read the rest of the thread, it'll give you an insight.

That was a serious question. And I have read the entire thread, twice.
Nothing in it proves that Mancini has a track record of playing or any future intention to play our youngsters.

Exactly. Mancini's very old school in the sense that he wants to buy himself out of trouble.

My thoughts exactly.

No mate, you said Mancini won't play any of the youngsters. He has.

[Blue Since 76]

Weiss is another perfect example. Would he have not had the same or even a better impact than Sinclair?

Bridge would have had the same impact as Sinclair.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

No mate, you said Mancini won't play any of the youngsters. He has.

Not in a sustained way, Beefy. At least, not our academy products. Hopefully he'll be given the nod early about next season (I can't see an acceptable replacement out there and available) and will blood a few. But I'll bet he doesn't, not given the pressure he's under.

[phips]

No mate, you said Mancini won't play any of the youngsters. He has.

Well maybe now he will after today's performance. And I don't consider given them a 5 min or less run "playing the youngsters" and neither do the very early stages of the FA and League Cup competition.

It will be a shocking day when, barring massive widespread injuries, Mancini starts Suarez or Lopes or Rekik in the Premier league.

[blue wine]

No mate, you said Mancini won't play any of the youngsters. He has.

Well maybe now he will after today's performance. And I don't consider given them a 5 min or less run "playing the youngsters" and neither do the very early stages of the FA and League Cup competition.

It will be a shocking day when, barring massive widespread injuries, Mancini starts Suarez or Lopes or Rekik in the Premier league.

Have u ever played football or have u ever been a manager of a team?