Panorama Tonight - Sheikh Mansour/Barclays Bank

[Arjan Van Schotte]

It's old news.

Panorama have not exactly been bang on the money these days. Remember that show they had about Euro 2012 making everyone from Ukraine looks like racists?

true. that was actually a horrendously cheap portrayal of a country, particularly when the problem appears to be far worse elsewhere...

however, i wouldn't call it old news if bbc today programme are specifically saying "it could look like a bribe", that's quite a bold statement in itself. libel if not evidenced???

Hardly. It could look like a bribe, on the other hand, it could look like a fish-cake. They're not really being explicit with that statement.

but the bbc radio 4 programme didn't call it a fishcake. they implied a bribe, something i don't think they'd do lightly, as implication can be libellous. but by my limited understanding, the litigator would have to prove, in this case, they weren't bribed.

But they're not saying it's a bribe explicitly. It could be seen as a bribe, that's so open-ended a claim as to be almost meaningless. If I say that the way the team played on Saturday looked like they had absolutely no faith in the manager anymore, then I'm not saying they have no faith in the manager anymore, just that it looked like it (lots of wiggle room for me).

i think that you're missing the point, to infer that someone has taken a bribe, on the state broadcaster, can be libellous.

for you to say that you think the team was shit on satdi, coz they don't like the manager, on a message board.... well, i don't think bob will be taking you to the high court anytime soon. his reputation is already intatters.

<edit> sorry, intact.

[ashton287]

So the sheikh put money into Barclays who sponsor the premier league. Didn't he have something to do with sky abroad? Sky who bankroll the premier league.

And doesn't he own some club in sed league.

He is racking up the favours.

[Ted Hughes]

You are all misquoting the BBC.

Jeremy Carver, a lawyer for Transparency International, said Barclays may be at fault if government officials benefitted from the deal.

"You have to worry not because Sheikh Mansour may or may not be doing something wrong, you have to worry because you may be doing something wrong as a bank.

"You may be committing a crime, you may be paying a bribe if you have not got it straight as to which capacity the person you are dealing with is acting."

[Beefymcfc]

I don't think there is any inference on Sheikh Mansour, just a feeling that the bank hasn't acted appropriately to their shareholders. Ie. certain fat cats have missed out on a bonanza which the Sheikh fueled.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

You are all misquoting the BBC.

well, i'm certainly not. were you listening between 6-9am this morning?

[Tokyo Blue]

i think that you're missing the point, to infer that someone has taken a bribe, on the state broadcaster, can be libellous.

No, it cant. It can be slanderous. Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Carry on.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

i think that you're missing the point, to infer that someone has taken a bribe, on the state broadcaster, can be libellous.

No, it cant. It can be slanderous. Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Carry on.

aha! i was expecting a report on the website as well as is standard - it arrived eventually

well, it was a bit cleverer in the end on that bit - a lawyer "explaining the law", rather than a reporter inferring something, bit different that. still, it would appear that sheiky saved the british taxpayers a few bob....

Jeremy Carver, a lawyer for Transparency International, said Barclays may be at fault if government officials benefitted from the deal.

"You have to worry not because Sheikh Mansour may or may not be doing something wrong, you have to worry because you may be doing something wrong as a bank.

"You may be committing a crime, you may be paying a bribe if you have not got it straight as to which capacity the person you are dealing with is acting."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21373153

[Alioune DVToure]

No, it cant. It can be slanderous. Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Carry on.

Yes, it can. If it's on the radio, it's on record. So libel rather than slander.

[Alex Sapphire]

i think that you're missing the point, to infer that someone has taken a bribe, on the state broadcaster, can be libellous.

No, it cant. It can be slanderous. Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Carry on.

nonetheless it can be hurtful and damaging which may have worse consequences than anything that can be pursued in law.

The main motivation for UAE is to represent itself as a western-facing progressive force for good in the ME region. The acquisition and resurrection of the great MCFC, creation of a world class F1 circuit, world class football Academy/destination, its generous foreign aid packages ( UAE Foreign Aid ) and it's financial support of a failing British Bank all support this. Making a profit is a bonus :)

The press then undermine it by implying corruption and greed were behind it., although the programme failed to spend any time contrasting IPIC's investment with that of Qatar which is actually under investigation.
It looks very much to me like Barclays' behaviour will have embarrassed Sheikh Mansour, so I hope they don't ever need his help again.
The British Media likewise are making it hard for UAE to invest in Britain. Which is a real pity

[City64]

Its about time the Glazers were investigated again ......

[Ted Hughes]

i think that you're missing the point, to infer that someone has taken a bribe, on the state broadcaster, can be libellous.

No, it cant. It can be slanderous. Libel is written. Slander is spoken.

Carry on.

aha! i was expecting a report on the website as well as is standard - it arrived eventually

well, it was a bit cleverer in the end on that bit - a lawyer "explaining the law", rather than a reporter inferring something, bit different that. still, it would appear that sheiky saved the british taxpayers a few bob....

Jeremy Carver, a lawyer for Transparency International, said Barclays may be at fault if government officials benefitted from the deal.

"You have to worry not because Sheikh Mansour may or may not be doing something wrong, you have to worry because you may be doing something wrong as a bank.

"You may be committing a crime, you may be paying a bribe if you have not got it straight as to which capacity the person you are dealing with is acting."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21373153

I quoted that in my post yesterday where I mentioned that you were all misquoting the BBC.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

Have a gold star ted

[Ted Hughes]

Have a gold star ted

Cheers.

[craigmcfc]

Well I watched it and thought "It could be worse, you could support City and work for Barclays"

Oh, hang on a minute.......