Your Track Record With Managers

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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby ross.mcfc » Thu May 16, 2013 12:20 am

Royle - Mixed - Seemed a logical choice at the time; he was celebrated for taking us up two divisions but should never have let us slip down in the first place. I know it sounded ruthless as hell at the time but he should have been moved up stairs after taking us up. Squandered a great deal of money to get us relegated the following season and was out of his depth.

Keegan – Correct – I never wanted him and knew it would end with us in the shit. Moyes was interviewed for the job and was Bernstein’s choice and would have been the logical appointment. I did enjoy our football in our 1st division winning season but he delivered very little for what he spent and left us in the shit once he got fed up. When we were in the first division it was littered with gems, Lescott, Koumas, Ashton, Bent, Cahill are the ones that instantly come to mind, all players who could have been purchased on the cheap that would have served us well for years. The amount of youth team players that he refused to play that subsequently could have helped us out when we hit financial dire straights annoys the hell out of me now. Instead we squandered our cash on Willy McKays players. Looking back at that and the subsequent revelations about Keegan’s financial going ons, there was something seriously dodgy going on there.

Pearce – Mixed. I wanted him to get the job as he needed some fight in the team. I had high hopes but thought it would go wrong. His side was one of the most boring sides I have ever seen. The angriest I have ever been as a City fan was losing 2-0 against 10 men Blackburn in the FA Cup quarter finals. The most spineless inept performance I have ever seen. He did give youth a chance which I have to credit him for. Richards, Johnston, Ireland, Ned would have never got a look in under Keegan.


Sven – Correct – I loved it when we appointed him. He gave us hope for the first ever time. I will never forget how excited I was leaving Upton Park after the first game of the season that year. I often wonder what would have happened if he had been given the millions to spend and not Hughes, although since leaving City he has been shown up as yesterday’s man. I still love the guy though.

Hughes – Wrong – I thought it was a cracking appointment and just what we needed. His CV before coming here was great. I stuck with him and still til the past year maintained he could have turned it around. His time at QPR has proven me wrong.

Mancini – Wrong – I never wanted him. I never warmed to him but I respected him. I always suspected he would be the guy who could take us up a notch but never truly deliver like Ranieri did at Chelsea. Shed no tears for his departure. Happy to be wrong all the same.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby JonnyAsh » Thu May 16, 2013 2:27 am

I think it started going wrong after Tom Maley left in 1906....things have never been quite the same since!
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby JonnyAsh » Thu May 16, 2013 2:31 am

There's been a few to be honest..I bet those 5 games in 1965 ran by a committee were fun, only winning once out of 5..the words piss up and brewery come to mind!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_City_F.C._managers
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby BlueinBosnia » Thu May 16, 2013 6:14 am

I Just Blue Myself wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:Hughes - At the time 8.5/10, with hindsight 7.5/10

Mancini - At the time 4/10, hindsight TBD


You must be Welsh.


Or I dislike watching uninspired players, tactics and performances.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Nickyboy » Thu May 16, 2013 6:32 am

I'm stereotypical football fan - loyal to them to a fault whilst they're manger, gutted when they get sacked, forgotten them within 2 months when the new guy comes in.

I loved Horton because we played with proper wingers, loved Royle because he dragged us out of the shit and adored Mancini because I never imagined I'd see City win a trophy and he delivered that.

If the next guy to come in brings us the Champions League I will also adore him, if we win sweet FA i'll still love him whilst he's in the job
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu May 16, 2013 6:37 am

BlueinBosnia wrote:
I Just Blue Myself wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:Hughes - At the time 8.5/10, with hindsight 7.5/10

Mancini - At the time 4/10, hindsight TBD


You must be Welsh.


Or I dislike watching uninspired players, tactics and performances.


LOL

Mate, admit it, you hate the fact that he took a stab in the dark and hit the bullseye!
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Thu May 16, 2013 6:59 am

I've seen so many managers over the years. Alan Ball was a truly stunning one, we got sweetened with the "Le Tiss will come with him" line.
I liked Horton, still do.
Thought Frank Clark was a good appointment and was massively wrong.
And as an aside, how much did Malcolm fuck it up and yet he is still so well loved by Blues.

So onto the ones we are discussing.
Royle. Thought it was a good appointment and he did ok with his promotions. I was sad when he went and wanted him to be given the chance to bring us back up.
Keegan. Delighted with getting Keegan. Great perfromances and it was a breath of fresh air. He was driving us forward and the feeling about the club was so positive. Then the money ran out and so did his ideas. He looked a tired man so quickly. Sad he went but it was coming.
Pearce. Shit idea to appoint him. However the poor lad deserves some credit for keeping us up on a budget of three and six. And he deserves our thanks for that, even though it was painful to watch. Keegan spent the money before him, Sven afterwards. He just had to muddle through.
Sven. Was excited at first. I was at Donny in a pre season game and he seemed so calm and assured that I thought this really could work out well. Was revealed as a con man in less than six months.
Hughes. Thought it was a sensible appointment. Thought we dealt with him harshly. Think he would possibly have got us in Champions League that season.
Bob. Wasn't sure of him, soon realised he was a negative boring shit house. But I loved the semi final win at Wembley and the emotion of going back there and ending our trophy drought.
The following season started so well and all of a sudden we were playing great football and were entertainers. I had been wrong and John68 right when he said he was sorting things out, before getting the attacking side going. He had done what was necessary and now this was truly it.
Eighteen months on and he long since reverted to type. The four months of thrills was the atypical spell, boring scared performances the norm. Missed the title by miles this season. Missed out in Europe by a similar margin. Pretty shit in the transfer market and wasted huge resources. No sign he was going to put it right, on the contrary, evidence suggested that the biggest risk would have been sticking with him and hoping his negative mentality somehow changed. And now it transpires had rubbed virtually everybody at the club up the wrong way.
Never been so glad to see a manager go.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby BlueinBosnia » Thu May 16, 2013 8:57 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:
I Just Blue Myself wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:Hughes - At the time 8.5/10, with hindsight 7.5/10

Mancini - At the time 4/10, hindsight TBD


You must be Welsh.


Or I dislike watching uninspired players, tactics and performances.


LOL

Mate, admit it, you hate the fact that he took a stab in the dark and hit the bullseye!


Hehe. I'm not a Wales supporter (I've seen the national team twice - one of those times as a supporter of the opposition), and don't consider myself Welsh. I enjoyed Hughes's time more as a manager (trophies and the 6-1 aside), and think he did more to set us up as a footballing 'squad' (which you need to be to mount serious challenges on both multiple domestic and European fronts) than Mancini did, and played exciting football more often.

I honestly think my hindsight rating for Mancini will be far higher, unless the next manager regains us the Prem and takes us to at least the CL quarter finals in the coming season. In that case, I'll probably chase you around the board saying 'I told you so' for a year or two... ;)
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu May 16, 2013 9:10 am

BlueinBosnia wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:
I Just Blue Myself wrote:
BlueinBosnia wrote:Hughes - At the time 8.5/10, with hindsight 7.5/10

Mancini - At the time 4/10, hindsight TBD


You must be Welsh.


Or I dislike watching uninspired players, tactics and performances.


LOL

Mate, admit it, you hate the fact that he took a stab in the dark and hit the bullseye!


Hehe. I'm not a Wales supporter (I've seen the national team twice - one of those times as a supporter of the opposition), and don't consider myself Welsh. I enjoyed Hughes's time more as a manager (trophies and the 6-1 aside), and think he did more to set us up as a footballing 'squad' (which you need to be to mount serious challenges on both multiple domestic and European fronts) than Mancini did, and played exciting football more often.

I honestly think my hindsight rating for Mancini will be far higher, unless the next manager regains us the Prem and takes us to at least the CL quarter finals in the coming season. In that case, I'll probably chase you around the board saying 'I told you so' for a year or two... ;)


I know mate. I just thought it was hilarious.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby City64 » Thu May 16, 2013 8:34 pm

Anything is an improvement on the Frank Clarke / Kinkladze era !
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Socrates » Fri May 17, 2013 1:06 am

The only managerial appointments that I wished for beforehand were Joe Royle and Mancini. The only ones I was dead against were Pearce(said on here I didn't think he was intelligent enough) and Hughes(because of the horrible football at Blackburn and and concern fans would turn on him quickly because of his history). Keegan I was excited by when I heard. Sven I was ambivalent until I heard the alternatives were a ginger munich dwarf twat and a cynical rag cunt (as I put it at the time) and that swung me in favour. Pellegrini would be in the inbetween section, I am mildly positive but think there are better bets out there.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Blue In Bolton » Fri May 17, 2013 9:22 am

Nigels Tackle wrote:
cartesr wrote:
Nigels Tackle wrote:biggest cunt to have ever managed us was that fucking cunt howard kendall

never been as pleased when the cunt failed on his return to goodison


really!

what about Alan Ball


"city was only an affair"

what a cunt


The only thing I was going to say about Kendall is I think we would have won trophies under him as it was the first time in my lifetime supporting God's own that I felt we had a formidable team coming together. But you are bang on with the above Nigels Tackle.

PS Plus selling Andy Hinchcliffe and replacing him with Neil "Dissa" Pointon!!
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 17, 2013 10:00 am

If we are talking about "back in the day", I'm going to be controversial and say that I liked Peter Reid. I was kid back then of course and this was still times when Bill Gates couldn't get laid and Internet was called Arpanet and used mainly be Pentagon. So basically only afterwards I learned how he treated youth development and stuff like that. But at the time he got results and we had some fine players playing for us. So from 13 years old point of view he was a good manager.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Fri May 17, 2013 10:09 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If we are talking about "back in the day", I'm going to be controversial and say that I liked Peter Reid. I was kid back then of course and this was still times when Bill Gates couldn't get laid and Internet was called Arpanet and used mainly be Pentagon. So basically only afterwards I learned how he treated youth development and stuff like that. But at the time he got results and we had some fine players playing for us. So from 13 years old point of view he was a good manager.


Ha Ha, what a surprise, he was my second least favourite manager. Actually, I think I hated him more than Mancini. One tactic used at City and Sunderland. Big boot up the park, and a quick guy playing off Niall. White at City, Philips at Sunderland. Everybody else, 'get stuck in and graft hard' I swear he had no other earthly idea.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 17, 2013 10:22 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If we are talking about "back in the day", I'm going to be controversial and say that I liked Peter Reid. I was kid back then of course and this was still times when Bill Gates couldn't get laid and Internet was called Arpanet and used mainly be Pentagon. So basically only afterwards I learned how he treated youth development and stuff like that. But at the time he got results and we had some fine players playing for us. So from 13 years old point of view he was a good manager.


Ha Ha, what a surprise, he was my second least favourite manager. Actually, I think I hated him more than Mancini. One tactic used at City and Sunderland. Big boot up the park, and a quick guy playing off Niall. White at City, Philips at Sunderland. Everybody else, 'get stuck in and graft hard' I swear he had no other earthly idea.
Closest I ever came to packing in going.


It's easy to say that now but half of the teams were playing that sort of football back then. And it wasn't exactly John Beck football either. Fast wingers providing crosses and all that. Sure, there wasn't silky touches and sweet short passing but it was efective. Also, I was kid back then. You tend to be more blinkered. Bitterness only grows by the age.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Blue In Bolton » Fri May 17, 2013 10:33 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:If we are talking about "back in the day", I'm going to be controversial and say that I liked Peter Reid. I was kid back then of course and this was still times when Bill Gates couldn't get laid and Internet was called Arpanet and used mainly be Pentagon. So basically only afterwards I learned how he treated youth development and stuff like that. But at the time he got results and we had some fine players playing for us. So from 13 years old point of view he was a good manager.


Ha Ha, what a surprise, he was my second least favourite manager. Actually, I think I hated him more than Mancini. One tactic used at City and Sunderland. Big boot up the park, and a quick guy playing off Niall. White at City, Philips at Sunderland. Everybody else, 'get stuck in and graft hard' I swear he had no other earthly idea.
Closest I ever came to packing in going.


It's easy to say that now but half of the teams were playing that sort of football back then. And it wasn't exactly John Beck football either. Fast wingers providing crosses and all that. Sure, there wasn't silky touches and sweet short passing but it was efective. Also, I was kid back then. You tend to be more blinkered. Bitterness only grows by the age.


Closest I came to packing it in was under Pearce - absolutely dire. I used to take the eldest along if she needed punishing!!
I do think that Reidy's teams were one dimensional but they were good times watching City and agree with Mr. Discopants that some of the wingplay was decent to watch with Michael Hughes and Mark Ward sticking decent balls into the box to name but a couple.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Alioune DVToure » Fri May 17, 2013 10:37 am

The worst manager and most depressing era of my life was definitely 1997-98 under Frank Clark. The word 'clueless' gets thrown about a lot on here but, seriously, what the fuck was Frank Clark about? He signed shit players and then immediately played them out of position, never had a Plan B and looked like he'd be more at home working in a post office.

I was baffled when he was later appointed head of the LMA.
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 17, 2013 10:38 am

I thought Peter Reid initially did a great job, but we descended into hoof it football.

We didn't always play like that under Reid though, we just degenerated into it over a period of time, perhaps because the midfield was getting older/less talented ?

To think that he was actually doing better than Ferguson at one point..
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Re: Your Track Record With Managers

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 17, 2013 10:39 am

Alioune DVToure wrote:The worst manager and most depressing era of my life was definitely 1997-98 under Frank Clark. The word 'clueless' gets thrown about a lot on here but, seriously, what the fuck was Frank Clark about? He signed shit players and then immediately played them out of position, never had a Plan B and looked like he'd be more at home working in a post office.

I was baffled when he was later appointed head of the LMA.


Definitely agree.
Funny bit is, as someone remembered, the press was touting him as great appointment at the time. I remember it clearly because I was excited to get him. That feller genuinely didn't have a clue.
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