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My worry is the scum will feed of this, we need to have an harder edge from the manager if you play shit you are gonna pay for it. No room for another defeat, if the scum draw Monday we have to make that pay. Worrying performance though.

Pantsman should start next week. Poor guy must be watching Hart thinking 'what the fuck am I doing playing second fiddle to this?'.

Hart got too cocky to soon and needs bringing down a peg or two. A couple games benched might do him the world of good.

Ted Hughes wrote:

london blue 2 wrote:Gelson fernandinho looks average

I miss Barry

He was average, but no moreso than any of the others. Imo, Barry behind those two & no Aguero would have made City a stronger team today.

He was shite.

Yaya needs to be played more attacking. He's too good to be sitting there passing sideways, we could get Scott Parker to do that job. Yaya attacking transforms our team.

Hazy2 wrote:My worry is the scum will feed of this, we need to have an harder edge from the manager if you play shit you are gonna pay for it. No room for another defeat, if the scum draw Monday we have to make that pay. Worrying performance though.

It's very early but the worries were there pre season & I wonder if it's something that can be sorted quickly.

From what I've seen this season is going to be like last season, with those two vastly flawed teams competing for the title, but with the addittion of Chelsea, possibly Spurs & Arsenal. Nobody is really good enough to win it, but someone has to.

london blue 2 wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

london blue 2 wrote:Gelson fernandinho looks average

I miss Barry

He was average, but no moreso than any of the others. Imo, Barry behind those two & no Aguero would have made City a stronger team today.

He was shite.

Yaya needs to be played more attacking. He's too good to be sitting there passing sideways, we could get Scott Parker to do that job. Yaya attacking transforms our team.

agree with that. don't think fernando was shite, but don't understand why it was him pushing forward and not yaya.

Just a PS of my previous post.

City looked gash after Navas was out. That should ask a thew questions, even if he wasen”t stellar today.

ruralblue wrote:Pantsman should start next week. Poor guy must be watching Hart thinking 'what the fuck am I doing playing second fiddle to this?'.

Hart got too cocky to soon and needs bringing down a peg or two. A couple games benched might do him the world of good.

Know I shouldn't take it personally but I am really starting to dislike him. His cocky face just screams punch me.

I really don't know who was good enough to give them pass . How they play pihhhhhhhhhhhh

PeterParker wrote:Just a PS of my previous post.

City looked gash after Navas was out. That should ask a thew questions, even if he wasen”t stellar today.

Think he was subbed due to injury not tactics.

Hazy2 wrote:My worry is the scum will feed of this, we need to have an harder edge from the manager if you play shit you are gonna pay for it. No room for another defeat, if the scum draw Monday we have to make that pay. Worrying performance though.

Was nearly a rags performance today. Play average, opposition miss a couple of good chances and out of the blue score a goal.
Difference is when they go 1-0 up the opposition rarely get back into the game. We let Cardiff waltz right back into this one.

HART
Needs dropping for 5 matches to get this head back in the game. The guy has the talent but he's so lazy at the moment it's criminal. He needs to relearn how to catch the ball. He doesn't even get his body behind the ball on shots so any fumbled and its going in the back of the net. That effort he made on the corner was comical.

DEFENCE
CLICHY Normally full of running but he didn't look fast or interested. LESCOTT was our best defender but looks so shaky when he has to be the leader of the back four. GARCIA can't complain too much. He's out position and useless as a midfielder let alone a centre back. ZABALETA I love the guy but he was awful today. Why he was told to mark a man a foot taller than him on corners was a terrible decision.

MIDFIELD
we have no midfielders who want to tackle anymore. YAYA let everything past him as he doesn't want to track back. FERANDINHO was everywhere and had no real discipline. Let runners go past. NAVAS kept cutting inside narrowing the play and making it too easy for Cardiff. His crosses were way overhit. SILVA. Tidy passing up till the final third then he panics and just gives it away to the centre back trying an impossible pass to Aguero time and time again.

Cardiff went through the middle of our midfield so easy. I fear for this against arsenal spurs united and Chelsea. We are too open with those 4 players. and we should play with more steal in the middle. It's all guesswork but I would like to think Cardiffs first goal would have been easily cut out by Barry or De Jong in previous years. We should play Milner and Barry more and get out wide players to double up with our full backs in most games. At the moment defence and midfield are two separate units.

ATTACK
Aguero was way too selfish. Only trying to pass when he was cut off. He did this a lot last season and it needs to stop. DZEKO. does his thing. If you accept he is there to put the ball in the back of the net like Goater then he's doing his job. NEGREDO looked sharp and I would like to see him start ahead of Aguero on Saturday.

For the majority of the week we need to practice corners over and over again and look to introduce so more tackling to our midfield.

Zabba had a poor game from set pieces, Lescott is at the age and experience where he should have made sure he was marking Campbell no matter what the 'plan' was - however he's too spineless and is happy to take orders but feckless when it comes to taking control of the defence - we need someone who can do that when VC isn't on the pitch and we don't have it.

Hart continues his downward spiral for us and also for England - is it a disease English keepers get? If he doesn't get his head sorted out he'll be at Blackburn.

Garcia, poor in midfield - disaster in defence.

Its the second game of the season, Pellers will learn more from this defeat than from 5 wins, the test will be how he manages this and how he takes the lesson.

Agree that Panti deserves his chance, he should not have lost out his place in the FA Cup final and should be able to step up to the mark and prove he's better.

I wasn't convinced with Ferni's performance in the first match but that went unnoticed due the good result. He might be a good player but needs to be eased in to get used to the English game. Barry or Milner would have been the better choice today.
Kolarov for Clichy (this is a repeat from another post). Kola is not as bad a defender as some make him out to be and at least he offers something going forward and in taking free kicks (of which we didn't get many today !!). We might as well have played with 3 at the back today.
The substitutions were all wrong today. Milner should have been on at the start of the 2nd half for Ferni. Nasri for Jesus didn't make any sense and even less Dzeko being subbed instead of Aguero.
I suppose Nasty will be back for Hull but I think Boyata could not possibly be worse than Garcia, so he should start against Hull if Nasty is not ready.
Panti in for Hart for next few matches goes without saying !

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Aguero is a greedy cunt. Period. Classy player but needs to learn to fucking pass the ball from time to time. At the end. If he'd have squared it to Nasri he had a free shot from 7 yards. Instead he goes for it on his weaker left foot, going away from goal whilst being chased down by three defenders.

Navas didn't stick out wide anywhere near enough.
Hart should be dropped. Now.

Agree with all of that, especially about kun.

Twobob wrote:Zabba had a poor game from set pieces, Lescott is at the age and experience where he should have made sure he was marking Campbell no matter what the 'plan' was - however he's too spineless and is happy to take orders but feckless when it comes to taking control of the defence

I've read some mindless fucking unfair shite over the years re Lescott, but that reaches new standards of utter fucking garbage.

He is told to mark a man, but if he does so, he is spineless because he should know in advance, that the bloke he has been told to mark is not the bloke who the ball will be coming to, so he should leave his man & go mark the player someone else is marking, thus leaving somebody else to pick up his man .

What absolute, incredible, shite.

Lets not got carried away, the rags lost there 1st game last season and they won the league. This can happen to the big teams early on but we have 36 games left. Hart should be dropped because he has been making too many costly mistakes for too long. We will comeback and we will be challenging for the title. We have a fantastic squad. I'm gutted but I'm not getting carried away, I've been watching football too long to get carried away over 1 defeat.

What to do with Joe? He looks low on confidence and his distribution is just laughable for a player at this level.I was all for sticking with him but questions have been asked for a while now and hes just not performing anywhere near the standard he is capable of.If he was a forward struggling for form and fluffing chances he would have been dropped by now.

Breks wrote:Lets not got carried away, the rags lost there 1st game last season and they won the league. This can happen to the big teams early on but we have 36 games left. Hart should be dropped because he has been making too many costly mistakes for too long. We will comeback and we will be challenging for the title. We have a fantastic squad. I'm gutted but I'm not getting carried away, I've been watching football too long to get carried away over 1 defeat.

Let's not get carried away but drop the keeper seems a bit contradictory to me.

Dubaimancityfan wrote:Kolarov for Clichy

hahaha, lets not let the old knee jerk turn into absolute nobsense...

Ted Hughes wrote:

Twobob wrote:Zabba had a poor game from set pieces, Lescott is at the age and experience where he should have made sure he was marking Campbell no matter what the 'plan' was - however he's too spineless and is happy to take orders but feckless when it comes to taking control of the defence

I've read some mindless fucking unfair shite over the years re Lescott, but that reaches new standards of utter fucking garbage.

He is told to mark a man, but if he does so, he is spineless because he should know in advance, that the bloke he has been told to mark is not the bloke who the ball will be coming to, so he should leave his man & go mark the player someone else is marking, thus leaving somebody else to pick up his man .

What absolute, incredible, shite.

I learnt from you, it takes a leader on the pitch to realise when things aren't working, take control of it and make it right and he isn't one - shall I spell it out to you in a language you find it easier or do you think you can cope going forward?

When the goal(s) go in his head drops and he reverts back to what he's been told to do.

When VC is there its fine, he looks good and can defend, without a leader next to him he's poor - he should be able to take hold of the game at the back at his age and experience but plays like he's still 21.

EDIT - to add - first time OK, It happened fucking twice...