Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

[bigblue]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

100% agree. Football is a form of catharsis for many people. An outlet of all the pent-up rage and emotion from being at the bottom of the totem pole and getting routinely fucked over on a day to day basis. And the moment that football is no longer that outlet is the moment that football stop being the most common cross cultural commonalty and is no longer a sport for the masses.

[kinkylola]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

haha, you can understand the primal insticts eh?

The fact that kolarov makes more than most means that he stops being a person, right? You can hurl abuse at him and whatever else and he's just there to be used as a stress release.

People can say whatever they want, whenever they want ... if you scream and yell insults at someone, just don't cry when they offer you out. Millionaire or well-fare recipient.

I don't mean you of course. You're above it, yet still charmingly in touch with the base instincts of the common man. Impressive.

[kinkylola]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

100% agree. Football is a form of catharsis for many people. An outlet of all the pent-up rage and emotion from being at the bottom of the totem pole and getting routinely fucked over on a day to day basis. And the moment that football is no longer that outlet is the moment that football stop being the most common cross cultural commonalty and is no longer a sport for the masses.

call someone a cunt, get offered out ... it's just hilariously pathetic that those ticket buying gods want to give it large and then hide behind a ticket stub and cry foul. That's not a release of primal emotion, that's just impotent rage, bitterness and entitlement ... that's not what our primal ancestors released during 'the hunt' ... pretty funny to hear someone wax philosophic about screaming at an athlete from behind a barrier.

[Spurge]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

I feel sorry for the poor fuckers you describe which aren't you.

I guess I'm fortunate to have such a good relationship and bond with my wife and kids.

Anyway on topic - had it not crossed your mind that Kolarov's darkest hour when he fell out with a section of the crowd so publicly might have been a catalyst for him to sort himself out?

Maybe he did a bit of soul searching and what with the new boss being the sort to put an arm around his players and give them a chance before coming to decisions about their future, he grasped the opportunity with both hands?

Either way I agree with the OP he's had a big season so far, better all round including defensively for me, but a big change in his attitude.

[kinkylola]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

I feel sorry for the poor fuckers you describe which aren't you.

I guess I'm fortunate to have such a good relationship and bond with my wife and kids.

Anyway on topic - had it not crossed your mind that Kolarov's darkest hour when he fell out with a section of the crowd so publicly might have been a catalyst for him to sort himself out?

Maybe he did a bit of soul searching and what with the new boss being the sort to put an arm around his players and give them a chance before coming to decisions about their future, he grasped the opportunity with both hands?

Either way I agree with the OP he's had a big season so far, better all round including defensively for me, but a big change in his attitude.

haha, mate, you're way off base ... kolarov doing soul searching? He's not a person, he's a stress reliever for the masses. They bought their tickets after all!

[bigblue]

pretty funny to hear someone wax philosophic about screaming at an athlete from behind a barrier.

We're all just a bunch of chimps destined for the same pointless fate; death. You can reduce anything to a meaningless description since 99.9% of what humans do is completely absurd. But to ignore the reality of what sport is to most people is just putting your head in the sand. A follower of a team is not too different than a follower of a religion. Both are attempting to attach themselves to something greater than their own finite existence, rise above their boring, monotonous life, and ultimately try to transcend death itself. I do it, you do it, everyone does it. Its a fundamental part of being human.

[Spurge]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

I feel sorry for the poor fuckers you describe which aren't you.

I guess I'm fortunate to have such a good relationship and bond with my wife and kids.

Anyway on topic - had it not crossed your mind that Kolarov's darkest hour when he fell out with a section of the crowd so publicly might have been a catalyst for him to sort himself out?

Maybe he did a bit of soul searching and what with the new boss being the sort to put an arm around his players and give them a chance before coming to decisions about their future, he grasped the opportunity with both hands?

Either way I agree with the OP he's had a big season so far, better all round including defensively for me, but a big change in his attitude.

haha, mate, you're way off base ... kolarov doing soul searching? He's not a person, he's a stress reliever for the masses. They bought their tickets after all!

Ha ha cynical approach mate - you night just be, how do we say it 'way off base'?

You are looking at this from a 'fans' perspective, I was looking at if from the individual players perspective the two are vey different.

oh and merry Christmas by the way.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Nqdp has been pwned as the kids would say.

[Beefymcfc]

What've I just stumbled into? Come to read about how Kolarov has been redeemed and end up reading a psychological profile of the modern day match going fan.

Wierd feckers, all of us.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

100% agree. Football is a form of catharsis for many people. An outlet of all the pent-up rage and emotion from being at the bottom of the totem pole and getting routinely fucked over on a day to day basis. And the moment that football is no longer that outlet is the moment that football stop being the most common cross cultural commonalty and is no longer a sport for the masses.

Were you not saying how disrespectful it was for fans to leave early? But it's not disrespectful to dish out shit to the players?

Our own fans were giving one of our players shit. If you give shit to someone don't go crying like a little girl when they give it back.

[Ted Hughes]

He still can't defend. But that just doesn't stand out as much anymore because we can't defend in general.

It stood out with Mancini because he played in a very defensive minded way. So when kolarov got skinned it stood out from the norm. He hasn't changed anything, he is still a shit defender. But now he is just one of many shit defenders and is also one of many great attacking threats we have and is the best crosser we have.

Zaba has suffered a few times this season in the opposite sense.

This is spot on I think; we don't notice how awful Kolarov's defending is because the whole defence is a shambles & both fullbacks have already cost us several goals between them.

Tbf Kolarov is defending slightly better than he used to & is much better going forward. Still too slow & not good enough imo, but that seems to be the clincher for a defender to get a City transfer these days.
Going forward he has been more effective & put in some great crossesas has Zabba, who used to only cross to the nearest opposition player, but now sometimes gets it right.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

He's brilliant going forward.
In his last 4 games for us, he's scored two, assisted two and won a penalty. Could Clichy do that? I don't think so.
By far and away our best left back this season.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

He still can't defend. But that just doesn't stand out as much anymore because we can't defend in general.

It stood out with Mancini because he played in a very defensive minded way. So when kolarov got skinned it stood out from the norm. He hasn't changed anything, he is still a shit defender. But now he is just one of many shit defenders and is also one of many great attacking threats we have and is the best crosser we have.

Zaba has suffered a few times this season in the opposite sense.

This is spot on I think; we don't notice how awful Kolarov's defending is because the whole defence is a shambles & both fullbacks have already cost us several goals between them.

Tbf Kolarov is defending slightly better than he used to & is much better going forward. Still too slow & not good enough imo, but that seems to be the clincher for a defender to get a City transfer these days.
Going forward he has been more effective & put in some great crossesas has Zabba, who used to only cross to the nearest opposition player, but now sometimes gets it right.

Is he any worse then Clichy? Take Bayern's second goal at our place. Clichy stood still whilst the man he was marking ran about 20 yards to get on the end of the through ball. Then he was beaten time and time again by both Torres and Ivanovic at Chelsea.

Both are poor defensively, at least Kolarov offers an attacking threat.

[Tokyo Blue]

I think this season has seen him play his best football for us. I hope he continues improving.

[Ted Hughes]

He still can't defend. But that just doesn't stand out as much anymore because we can't defend in general.

It stood out with Mancini because he played in a very defensive minded way. So when kolarov got skinned it stood out from the norm. He hasn't changed anything, he is still a shit defender. But now he is just one of many shit defenders and is also one of many great attacking threats we have and is the best crosser we have.

Zaba has suffered a few times this season in the opposite sense.

This is spot on I think; we don't notice how awful Kolarov's defending is because the whole defence is a shambles & both fullbacks have already cost us several goals between them.

Tbf Kolarov is defending slightly better than he used to & is much better going forward. Still too slow & not good enough imo, but that seems to be the clincher for a defender to get a City transfer these days.
Going forward he has been more effective & put in some great crossesas has Zabba, who used to only cross to the nearest opposition player, but now sometimes gets it right.

Is he any worse then Clichy? Take Bayern's second goal at our place. Clichy stood still whilst the man he was marking ran about 20 yards to get on the end of the through ball. Then he was beaten time and time again by both Torres and Ivanovic at Chelsea.

Both are poor defensively, at least Kolarov offers an attacking threat.

No he hasn't been worse defensively than Clichy or Richards or possibly Zabba. But the difference is that they have been good in the past wheras he has always been poor. Zabba has been better recently but has had a poor season defensively by his standards. Clichy has been shit & therefore is similar defensively to Kolarov. Most of the defence has been shit individually & collectively. Kolarov has been no worse. Still shit though. Good going forward (sometimes).

[kinkylola]

He still can't defend. But that just doesn't stand out as much anymore because we can't defend in general.

It stood out with Mancini because he played in a very defensive minded way. So when kolarov got skinned it stood out from the norm. He hasn't changed anything, he is still a shit defender. But now he is just one of many shit defenders and is also one of many great attacking threats we have and is the best crosser we have.

Zaba has suffered a few times this season in the opposite sense.

This is spot on I think; we don't notice how awful Kolarov's defending is because the whole defence is a shambles & both fullbacks have already cost us several goals between them.

Tbf Kolarov is defending slightly better than he used to & is much better going forward. Still too slow & not good enough imo, but that seems to be the clincher for a defender to get a City transfer these days.
Going forward he has been more effective & put in some great crossesas has Zabba, who used to only cross to the nearest opposition player, but now sometimes gets it right.

Is he any worse then Clichy? Take Bayern's second goal at our place. Clichy stood still whilst the man he was marking ran about 20 yards to get on the end of the through ball. Then he was beaten time and time again by both Torres and Ivanovic at Chelsea.

Both are poor defensively, at least Kolarov offers an attacking threat.

No he hasn't been worse defensively than Clichy or Richards or possibly Zabba. But the difference is that they have been good in the past wheras he has always been poor. Zabba has been better recently but has had a poor season defensively by his standards. Clichy has been shit & therefore is similar defensively to Kolarov. Most of the defence has been shit individually & collectively. Kolarov has been no worse. Still shit though. Good going forward (sometimes).

agree with you Ted ... it does seem like he is making progress however, even outside of the context of 'our whole defense is shit at the moment' (which I can't argue with). I think he's becoming a lot more consistent with quality attacking play as well.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

I feel sorry for the poor fuckers you describe which aren't you.

I guess I'm fortunate to have such a good relationship and bond with my wife and kids.

Anyway on topic - had it not crossed your mind that Kolarov's darkest hour when he fell out with a section of the crowd so publicly might have been a catalyst for him to sort himself out?

Maybe he did a bit of soul searching and what with the new boss being the sort to put an arm around his players and give them a chance before coming to decisions about their future, he grasped the opportunity with both hands?

Either way I agree with the OP he's had a big season so far, better all round including defensively for me, but a big change in his attitude.

haha, mate, you're way off base ... kolarov doing soul searching? He's not a person, he's a stress reliever for the masses. They bought their tickets after all!

Eh?
Stress reliever for the masses? That's exactly what he is. That's exactly what they all are. That I can not only relate to but also applies to me just as it does to most people. The glorious two hours in a week (now that we are good, make that four hours) when you don't have to think of any mundane thing. All your concentration is on the game, all your worries are in other world. The excitement, the buzz. And that fucking feeling when the ball hits the back of the net and you can't help but to jump up and scream. And do you think about your mortgage payments or the stuff waiting at your desk on monday morning or any fucking thing else than that ball and that net? No. And if that's not a primal feeling I don't know what is in this world. Or do you spent that time thinking about Kolarov's grandma in hospital?

Why the hell else would anyone bother?

[zuricity]

Eh?
Stress reliever for the masses? That's exactly what he is. That's exactly what they all are. That I can not only relate to but also applies to me just as it does to most people. The glorious two hours in a week (now that we are good, make that four hours) when you don't have to think of any mundane thing. All your concentration is on the game, all your worries are in other world. The excitement, the buzz. And that fucking feeling when the ball hits the back of the net and you can't help but to jump up and scream. And do you think about your mortgage payments or the stuff waiting at your desk on monday morning or any fucking thing else than that ball and that net? No. And if that's not a primal feeling I don't know what is in this world. Or do you spent that time thinking about Kolarov's grandma in hospital?

Why the hell else would anyone bother?

Have you been hitting the bottle already this morning ?

[kinkylola]

Lot of people buy the ticket so that they can say things they can't otherwise. You go to work and take shit from your boss and/or employees all week, then you go home and listen to your missus whining and moaning and your snotty kids whining and complaining and you take all that with smiling face. But few times a month you go to games and you can swear and call some cunt a cunt. And after that you are ready to go back home and start all over again. I'll even expand it, you do the dishes and take care of the kids and do your office job, there are no battles to get involved and you don't have to hunt your food. It's a place where you can relieve your primal instincts.

Now that is NOT me. I take my pleasure of football other ways and don't feel these primal instincts but I can understand people who do. They can be found on every football ground in the world. And they are mostly hilarious. What does my fucking head in are the holier than thou people, who can be equally found in every ground, who start to fucking moan at these people. What I can't understand are the millionaires who can't take it. There are fucking semi-pros earning in year what Kolarov makes in a week who take it because..... well that's what you signed up for. If you don't like it, there are plenty of office jobs available.

I feel sorry for the poor fuckers you describe which aren't you.

I guess I'm fortunate to have such a good relationship and bond with my wife and kids.

Anyway on topic - had it not crossed your mind that Kolarov's darkest hour when he fell out with a section of the crowd so publicly might have been a catalyst for him to sort himself out?

Maybe he did a bit of soul searching and what with the new boss being the sort to put an arm around his players and give them a chance before coming to decisions about their future, he grasped the opportunity with both hands?

Either way I agree with the OP he's had a big season so far, better all round including defensively for me, but a big change in his attitude.

haha, mate, you're way off base ... kolarov doing soul searching? He's not a person, he's a stress reliever for the masses. They bought their tickets after all!

Eh?
Stress reliever for the masses? That's exactly what he is. That's exactly what they all are. That I can not only relate to but also applies to me just as it does to most people. The glorious two hours in a week (now that we are good, make that four hours) when you don't have to think of any mundane thing. All your concentration is on the game, all your worries are in other world. The excitement, the buzz. And that fucking feeling when the ball hits the back of the net and you can't help but to jump up and scream. And do you think about your mortgage payments or the stuff waiting at your desk on monday morning or any fucking thing else than that ball and that net? No. And if that's not a primal feeling I don't know what is in this world. Or do you spent that time thinking about Kolarov's grandma in hospital?

Why the hell else would anyone bother?

Errr ... ya all that stuff is great, and none of it involved hurling abuse at other people. weird. In fact ... if 'all of your worries are in another world' then why do people "need" to hurl abuse at players because their home life is awful, as you described in your first post.

Sorry mate, players are not there to be yours or anyone elses stress relief. They're people and professionals trying to earn a living. The fact that watching a sporting competition excites a lot of people in a lot of ways and may help some people escape from their dire lives, while true, still does not justify verbally abusing one of the players. (especially if you expect nothing back in return)

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

For some people that may include hurling abuse at players. In fact, as you will find in a football match, for many people it does. As long as it's not racist I'm fine with it. Funnily enough, lot of players do it to each other as well. I don't do it because I get zero satisfaction out of it but can relate to it. If watching football for you doesn't involve deep emotions like that then that's fine as well. I don't give a shit. But people who have paid their ticket are well within their means to call a spade a spade and let's face it, Kolarov has been utter shite for us throughout his career even if little less shite this season.