Tiki-Taka. The end?

[Hazy2]

A period for a national team that almost everyone enjoyed.

I didn't. Boring as hell. Give me the latest Chile team any day of the week.

David Silva, is the last player I would call boring , as I said almost.

I'm not talking about individual players, I'm talking about the system

Of course, I just see it as the country that holds every title to be had at the moment must have been doing things very well for a decade. Add the clubs they hold the lot this season.

[Ted Hughes]

A period for a national team that almost everyone enjoyed.

I didn't. Boring as hell. Give me the latest Chile team any day of the week.

David Silva, is the last player I would call boring , as I said almost.

And I wouldn't say our style is "tiki taka", not sure how you'd describe it, "slow slow, FAST". Spray the ball around, look for an opening, slice them open like a scalpel.

That's the thing; it incorporates possession football but is not just purely about keeping the ball & involves getting the ball out wide, & getting crosses in.

But the lessons of Barca & Spain should not be ignored. We can see that Barca, Spain, Bayern have shitty defences, but have not been conceding loads of goals. That's because keeping the ball takes all the pressure off the shit defence & then the fast press gets it back. Spain can't do it properly anymore, so they concede. But training to do that is still the way to teach kids imo.

And, if Spain were young enough & athletic enough, they would win this World Cup as well imo. They simply aren't as good or as fit as they were; tika taka or no.

[DoomMerchant]

That's the thing; it incorporates possession football but is not just purely about keeping the ball & involves getting the ball out wide, & getting crosses in.

But the lessons of Barca & Spain should not be ignored. We can see that Barca, Spain, Bayern have shitty defences, but have not been conceding loads of goals. That's because keeping the ball takes all the pressure off the shit defence & then the fast press gets it back. Spain can't do it properly anymore, so they concede. But training to do that is still the way to teach kids imo.

And, if Spain were young enough & athletic enough, they would win this World Cup as well imo. They simply aren't as good or as fit as they were; tika taka or no.

I think they are old....and not on the juice anymore. They need better chemists.

[Ted Hughes]

That's the thing; it incorporates possession football but is not just purely about keeping the ball & involves getting the ball out wide, & getting crosses in.

But the lessons of Barca & Spain should not be ignored. We can see that Barca, Spain, Bayern have shitty defences, but have not been conceding loads of goals. That's because keeping the ball takes all the pressure off the shit defence & then the fast press gets it back. Spain can't do it properly anymore, so they concede. But training to do that is still the way to teach kids imo.

And, if Spain were young enough & athletic enough, they would win this World Cup as well imo. They simply aren't as good or as fit as they were; tika taka or no.

I think they are old....and not on the juice anymore. They need better chemists.

It does seem to have happened very suddenly to certain players at Barca/Spain & then we see Bayern Munich run us off the park, with Robben & Ribery tracking back like James Milner crossed with Usain Bolt.

Robben is apparently quicker now than ever before.

[Wonderwall]

Robben is apparently quicker now than ever before.

I was thinking this also, he seems to have found that extra yard of pace that other players lose as they get older, either that or heat isnt affecting him like it is other and they are not able to sprint like he is.

That young Belgian lad (Origi) who came one for Lukaku, looked like he was lightening, he targeted the Algerian left back who looked like he was running in treacle, I bet he is still having nightmares about his pace.

[Hazy2]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Robben is apparently quicker now than ever before.

I was thinking this also, he seems to have found that extra yard of pace that other players lose as they get older, either that or heat isnt affecting him like it is other and they are not able to sprint like he is.

That young Belgian lad (Origi) who came one for Lukaku, looked like he was lightening, he targeted the Algerian left back who looked like he was running in treacle, I bet he is still having nightmares about his pace.

Would say he has an extra pep in his step?

I'll get my own coat thanks.

[Ted Hughes]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

That's fine, but the previous Spanish team benefitted from Pep's system at Barca, not from anything Clement Freud did.

[Hazy2]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

That's fine, but the previous Spanish team benefitted from Pep's system at Barca, not from anything Clement Freud did.

Pep worked with a lot of coaches that learned from Cruyff, the cycle will keep turning. No great shocks to Del Bosque this, it was on the cards since the confederations cup, all top three teams have had long seasons . Look at Portuga'ls, main man, FOOKED.

[Ted Hughes]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

That's fine, but the previous Spanish team benefitted from Pep's system at Barca, not from anything Clement Freud did.

Pep worked with a lot of coaches that learned from Cruyff, the cycle will keep turning. No great shocks to Del Bosque this, it was on the cards since the confederations cup, all top three teams have had long seasons . Look at Portuga'ls, main man, FOOKED.

Imo, Spain & Barca had one decent defender; Puyol. Now they have one decent defender Azpilicueta, but he is a defender, not a wingback & they have no centre backs, at all.

From the stars of the U21s, Isco is talent but no pace, Thiago Alcantara is Spain's Jack Wilshire, illarramendi is a real potential talent & there was a lad at fullback who was mustard. The big cf from Real Madrid, a possible reurgence of Muniain, Deulofeu, yes they have promising players, but as good as Iniesta, Xavi Silva, Villa, Puyol, Alonso etc & as suited to playing together, also without the Pep influence ?

So much better than Belgium's kids, or France, Germany etc ?

[Hazy2]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

That's fine, but the previous Spanish team benefitted from Pep's system at Barca, not from anything Clement Freud did.

Pep worked with a lot of coaches that learned from Cruyff, the cycle will keep turning. No great shocks to Del Bosque this, it was on the cards since the confederations cup, all top three teams have had long seasons . Look at Portuga'ls, main man, FOOKED.

Imo, Spain & Barca had one decent defender; Puyol. Now they have one decent defender Azpilicueta, but he is a defender, not a wingback & they have no centre backs, at all.

From the stars of the U21s, Isco is talent but no pace, Thiago Alcantara is Spain's Jack Wilshire, illarramendi is a real potential talent & there was a lad at fullback who was mustard. The big cf from Real Madrid, a possible reurgence of Muniain, Deulofeu, yes they have promising players, but as good as Iniesta, Xavi Silva, Villa, Puyol, Alonso etc & as suited to playing together, also without the Pep influence ?

So much better than Belgium's kids, or France, Germany etc ?

Cycles Ted, who are we to doubt a nation that has every trophy.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Lets not get to carried away the Spain demise is also down to being flogged, they have some talent coming through, and planning for this will be in place.

That's fine, but the previous Spanish team benefitted from Pep's system at Barca, not from anything Clement Freud did.

Pep worked with a lot of coaches that learned from Cruyff, the cycle will keep turning. No great shocks to Del Bosque this, it was on the cards since the confederations cup, all top three teams have had long seasons . Look at Portuga'ls, main man, FOOKED.

Imo, Spain & Barca had one decent defender; Puyol. Now they have one decent defender Azpilicueta, but he is a defender, not a wingback & they have no centre backs, at all.

From the stars of the U21s, Isco is talent but no pace, Thiago Alcantara is Spain's Jack Wilshire, illarramendi is a real potential talent & there was a lad at fullback who was mustard. The big cf from Real Madrid, a possible reurgence of Muniain, Deulofeu, yes they have promising players, but as good as Iniesta, Xavi Silva, Villa, Puyol, Alonso etc & as suited to playing together, also without the Pep influence ?

So much better than Belgium's kids, or France, Germany etc ?

Cycles Ted, who are we to doubt a nation that has every trophy.

I think you're both right. Everything works in cycles and this was the end of one of those cycles, but Hazy, this cycle has been remarkable for Spain. I don't think that Spain will go back to shooting themselves in the foot like in previous decades but it will take a long time, if ever, for such a talented bunch of players to come about at the same time. This was a unique experience, and I'm not sure it's over yet.

[Hazy2]

There has been warning signs, Bayern,Mullering Barca. Age, and a lack of trust in the next Gen. Players like LLorente not taking the mantle from Torres. Unreal period for Spain, will it ever be repeated. IMHO they are knackered and as Coco said this might be just a blip. Portugal look crap, Holland this is the last time this Group will be together, France look like they have a plan in place to be very strong in 2 yrs on Home soil. If England could be brave, we could be a real threat.

[Slim]

Robben is apparently quicker now than ever before.

I was thinking this also, he seems to have found that extra yard of pace that other players lose as they get older, either that or heat isnt affecting him like it is other and they are not able to sprint like he is.

That young Belgian lad (Origi) who came one for Lukaku, looked like he was lightening, he targeted the Algerian left back who looked like he was running in treacle, I bet he is still having nightmares about his pace.

That's because Robben is Benjamin Button.