Progression?

[Wooders]

This season and last season were shambolic - he only has one set of tactics being a big part of the problem and you can see players are frustrated that the best use isn't being made of them - he also doesn't promote youth, Ian has been way better than bony all season but was benched for him yesterday, sorry but pellers shows week in and week out he is clueless, he is the Chilean Brendon Rogers

[Saul Goodman]

Removing all emotion after today's terrible performance id say that the club has gone nowhere under Manuel. Not forward and bot backwards. Incorporation of youth isnt any better (although Kelechi is more than zero i guess). The progression in the Champions League is down to the draw really. Had Mancini gotten a better draw he couldve taken the club just as far.

Its a shame that the decline of the spine of the City project coincided with Pellegrini's stint, but thats still no excuse.

[Hazy2]

Expanding the progression question to us, will we be selling out a CL game that could see us in the Q/F, are we up for it, or like the team half arsed.

[dazby]

I'm waiting for SPAZBY to wake up from his tree house - he's sure to have all the answers.

I do have all the answers.


You are a cunt.


That is all.

Talk about stating the fucking obvious.

What about today's game...why did we draw.

Tell us all.

We drew because we didn't score. We didn't score because the ref didn't give us a pen.

We didn't score because David Silva is playing lame.

We didn't score because the players didn't want to give the ball to Bony.

We didn't score because the players were too conservative in their decision making.

We didn't score because our players don't bust a gut attacking the ball when it comes into the box.

We didn't score because we didn't try enough long shots, instead trying to pick our way through a congested box and failing.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I'm waiting for SPAZBY to wake up from his tree house - he's sure to have all the answers.

I do have all the answers.


You are a cunt.


That is all.

Talk about stating the fucking obvious.

What about today's game...why did we draw.

Tell us all.

We drew because we didn't score. We didn't score because the ref didn't give us a pen.

We didn't score because David Silva is playing lame.

We didn't score because the players didn't want to give the ball to Bony.

We didn't score because the players were too conservative in their decision making.

We didn't score because our players don't bust a gut attacking the ball when it comes into the box.

We didn't score because we didn't try enough long shots, instead trying to pick our way through a congested box and failing.

You're not going to make it as a journalist are you.

[dazby]

Anything from here is a bonus champ.

[edgeley blue]

I'm waiting for SPAZBY to wake up from his tree house - he's sure to have all the answers.

I do have all the answers.


You are a cunt.


That is all.

Talk about stating the fucking obvious.

What about today's game...why did we draw.

Tell us all.

We drew because we didn't score. We didn't score because the ref didn't give us a pen.

We didn't score because David Silva is playing lame.

We didn't score because the players didn't want to give the ball to Bony.

We didn't score because the players were too conservative in their decision making.

We didn't score because our players don't bust a gut attacking the ball when it comes into the box.

We didn't score because we didn't try enough long shots, instead trying to pick our way through a congested box and failing.

You're not going to make it as a journalist are you.

We didn't score because players wouldn't pass to Pony. Would you give him the ball? He's hopelessly out of his depth in this squad, he isn't on anybodys wavelength. I have seen some shit in my time at City like Trevor Christie, Gordon Davies, Lee Bradbury etc etc, but Pony is the worst. We played with ten men until that useless lump was replaced

[Sparklehorse]

Personally think his inability to change a game is what holds him back. If he gets the formation or line up wrong, we normally go through 70 minutes of it before we see a change.

For me he's our 3rd greatest manager so aye, this season has been a shambles pot or not, but he's won stuff so it'd be ridiculous to just slag him off.

But in terms of regression, we've definitely gone backwards defensively. How we've gone from the best defence in the country to where we are now is ridiculous.

But for me, the biggest crime is just how slow and the lack of off the ball movement has crept into our game over the past two years. The lack of urgency has killed us this season and has fucked me off all year.

I love him for what he's done, but if this is, after 3 seasons, is a pellers team, then it's right he's off in the summer. Injuries withstanding, it's been a fucking shambles.

Perfectly put sir !

[ShimmyShaker]

I have seen some shit in my time at City like Trevor Christie, Gordon Davies, Lee Bradbury etc etc, but Pony is the worst.

I work with Trevor Christie, thanks for the ammo!

[dazby]

We drew because we didn't score. We didn't score because the ref didn't give us a pen.

We didn't score because David Silva is playing lame.

We didn't score because the players didn't want to give the ball to Bony.

We didn't score because the players were too conservative in their decision making.

We didn't score because our players don't bust a gut attacking the ball when it comes into the box.

We didn't score because we didn't try enough long shots, instead trying to pick our way through a congested box and failing.

You're not going to make it as a journalist are you.

We didn't score because players wouldn't pass to Pony. Would you give him the ball? He's hopelessly out of his depth in this squad, he isn't on anybodys wavelength. I have seen some shit in my time at City like Trevor Christie, Gordon Davies, Lee Bradbury etc etc, but Pony is the worst. We played with ten men until that useless lump was replaced

How will you know unless you give him the ball? He was anonymous for most of it but on occasion he took up some nice positions, was calling for the ball but didn't receive it. It was like playing with ten men but when the opposition know he's not going to get it, it makes their job a bit easier doesn't it.

[gillie]

Well the title of this thread should really read Regression because that is exactly what this season has been. Ok so we look like making it to the QF of the CL but come on who in their right mind thinks we can win that comp.Barcelona would fuckin embarrass us their front 3 would rip our crap defence new fuckin arseholes. I read somewhere over the weekend that we have failed to score a single goal against the 2 worst defences in the PL fuck me Norwich are that crap at the back 2 teams have given them 2 goal leads and still come away with the points but yet we cannot even score 1 goal against them and we all know if they had scored on Saturday it would have been another loss for us due to our inability to come back in games. Imo most of our players have reached the end of their cycle with us and Pep has a fuckin hell of a re-building job to do next season. Will we make top 4 I honestly could not bank on it as both West Ham and the rags look like they could overtake us the form we are in.

[getdressedmctavish]

The weird thing for me is that when he came in he got everything right. He got all the players on side, speeded up the play down the wing, got crosses in and we reaped the benefits. He trusted the players where Mancini fought to control them. For me it died the day Negredo decided to be a grade A cunt. Navas was less dangerous but mainly he came up against the rock that 2 or 3 players run this team. One is rarely fit, one is clinically insane and the other is pretty good when fit. He hoped Bony would be Negredo but he has been worse than shit. The players are running it again and the Count is seeing out his job. All very frustrating.

[zuricity]

The weird thing for me is that when he came in he got everything right. He got all the players on side, speeded up the play down the wing, got crosses in and we reaped the benefits. He trusted the players where Mancini fought to control them. For me it died the day Negredo decided to be a grade A cunt. Navas was less dangerous but mainly he came up against the rock that 2 or 3 players run this team. One is rarely fit, one is clinically insane and the other is pretty good when fit. He hoped Bony would be Negredo but he has been worse than shit. The players are running it again and the Count is seeing out his job. All very frustrating.

oh ffs Bony !

He got rid of a lethal finisher , proven in two top leagues in Europe , not simply south wales on a good day ! These prats let Edin go , yeah Edin the lump that got those critical goals in games where we struggled like at Wigan , to win 1-0. like Leicester are doing right now , one main chance , one goal victory , three points.

sick and tired of hearing about Bony , he is awful and way , way overweight, I don't know what he is , but he is never, ever the replacement for Edin and the spafia screwed up badly there and should be dismissed for that cock up alone never mind Mangala, Fernando ( instead of Bsrry !) , Save Sterling for another day .

[Tueart's Pen]

To think that we had Kun, Edin, Negredo and Jovetic, I know Jove was on his sick bed half the time, but he gave us more in his time than Bony did.
I don't think we can put the whole season down to Bony.

Silva hasn't had a foil for a while, Nasri has been missed more than some think, he is a link for Silva, and so to is De Bruyne, Yaya is an enigma, but the midfield is woefully short of creativness. Fern cannot to that, so to me this is where we have lacked, if we had either Nasri or Kevin in many of these games, we would have prised open, more than not, as it is Silva realises he has to do it by himself, and his form has suffered.

[zuricity]

To think that we had Kun, Edin, Negredo and Jovetic, I know Jove was on his sick bed half the time, but he gave us more in his time than Bony did.
I don't think we can put the whole season down to Bony.

Silva hasn't had a foil for a while, Nasri has been missed more than some think, he is a link for Silva, and so to is De Bruyne, Yaya is an enigma, but the midfield is woefully short of creativness. Fern cannot to that, so to me this is where we have lacked, if we had either Nasri or Kevin in many of these games, we would have prised open, more than not, as it is Silva realises he has to do it by himself, and his form has suffered.

Fair points, well put.

Nasri is the only player that we have that regularly can easily dribble the ball from a standing still situation . Navas, Sterling , even Silva cannot do this and at times when the attacking has slowed to a standstill we have needed this.

[zuricity]

To think that we had Kun, Edin, Negredo and Jovetic, I know Jove was on his sick bed half the time, but he gave us more in his time than Bony did.
I don't think we can put the whole season down to Bony.

Silva hasn't had a foil for a while, Nasri has been missed more than some think, he is a link for Silva, and so to is De Bruyne, Yaya is an enigma, but the midfield is woefully short of creativness. Fern cannot to that, so to me this is where we have lacked, if we had either Nasri or Kevin in many of these games, we would have prised open, more than not, as it is Silva realises he has to do it by himself, and his form has suffered.

Fair points, well put.

Nasri is the only player that we have that regularly can easily dribble the ball from a standing still situation . Navas, Sterling , even Silva cannot do this and at times when the attacking has slowed to a standstill we have needed this.

[Im_Spartacus]

To think that we had Kun, Edin, Negredo and Jovetic, I know Jove was on his sick bed half the time, but he gave us more in his time than Bony did.
I don't think we can put the whole season down to Bony.

Silva hasn't had a foil for a while, Nasri has been missed more than some think, he is a link for Silva, and so to is De Bruyne, Yaya is an enigma, but the midfield is woefully short of creativness. Fern cannot to that, so to me this is where we have lacked, if we had either Nasri or Kevin in many of these games, we would have prised open, more than not, as it is Silva realises he has to do it by himself, and his form has suffered.

Fair points, well put.

Nasri is the only player that we have that regularly can easily dribble the ball from a standing still situation . Navas, Sterling , even Silva cannot do this and at times when the attacking has slowed to a standstill we have needed this.

I don't think it's so much the lack of creativity, it's the lack of runners to take advantage of the creativity that Silva and Toure can create. The point about having someone able to run from a standing start is also key, we have virtually nobody who is prepared to take a chance to beat a man.

It's almost as though since around November 2013 when Negredo went awol, we have been playing scientifically engineered percentage football in terms of our offensive play, however an inability to defend has rendered the percentages increasingly ineffective.

Curiously, we pretty much played the same percentage football under Mancini, but with the defence sorted, one goal was enough on the occasions we struggled, and in Tevez we had someone prepared to have a go at getting that breakthrough on his own and make something happen - that seems to have been coached out of Aguero, Sterling, De Bruyne etc.

[london blue 2]

Dunno if this belongs here but the main thing that riles me with Bony is his consistent attempts to unnecessarily hold the ball whilst being challenged. It's like he is desperately trying to persuade everyone that he can hold it up in any situation. It's never works and makes him look more like a cunt than normal.

[bigblue]

Dunno if this belongs here but the main thing that riles me with Bony is his consistent attempts to unnecessarily hold the ball whilst being challenged. It's like he is desperately trying to persuade everyone that he can hold it up in any situation. It's never works and makes him look more like a cunt than normal.

I'm guessing it's less trying to show off and more of a low confidence player trying to stick to what he thinks he does best. Bony is playing like a lump, but he is far from a cunt. There is a player in there somewhere, but doesn't look like it'll work out at City. Wilf seems like a really nice guy and should be getting way less hate from City fans than he does. But we all need a resident boo-boy, eh?

And before you replay, fuck off doom and CARL

[Im_Spartacus]

Dunno if this belongs here but the main thing that riles me with Bony is his consistent attempts to unnecessarily hold the ball whilst being challenged. It's like he is desperately trying to persuade everyone that he can hold it up in any situation. It's never works and makes him look more like a cunt than normal.

I'm guessing it's less trying to show off and more of a low confidence player trying to stick to what he thinks he does best. Bony is playing like a lump, but he is far from a cunt. There is a player in there somewhere, but doesn't look like it'll work out at City. Wilf seems like a really nice guy and should be getting way less hate from City fans than he does. But we all need a resident boo-boy, eh?

And before you replay, fuck off doom and CARL

I kind of agree, however the level of 'hate' is always going to be commensurate with the amount of money we spend on a player.

Bony is without doubt a good technical player from what I saw of him before he joined. However, and this links to what many others have said about Leicester this season, he was in a team where he had the freedom to have a go, to take a half chance, and he was good enough that his efforts in that regard often resulted in a goal or assist. We don't try half chances, we try to play into a gold plated opportunity, and it seems taking a flyer is discouraged as it loses us possession,

This is much the same issue we had with Dzeko - he thrived on good service as he was a poacher in the box, but we provided him with the sum total of next to fuck all, and complained when he looked like a donkey holding up the ball on the fucking half way line. With Bony, (and for that matter this relates to the criticism Sterling is getting too), we throw a player into a completely rigid role which don't maximise their actual capabilities.

If we want a holdup player, buy a fucking hold-up player who is good with his back to goal. Stop buying a player because they are flavor of the month for scoring, then try to change them into something completely different to what gave them their price-tag in the first place and destroying what talent they did have!