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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:42 pm

I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Mase » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:06 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?


As I've said, you've used the word 'alright'. This is why we're not moving forward..
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:26 pm

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Arjan Van Schotte wrote:I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?


As I've said, you've used the word 'alright'. This is why we're not moving forward..


Yes, alright for a team challenging for honours. No doubt room for improvement. But asking pep to improve at full back is like a deaf man asking you to adjust the treble.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Mase » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:31 pm

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
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Arjan Van Schotte wrote:I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?


As I've said, you've used the word 'alright'. This is why we're not moving forward..


Yes, alright for a team challenging for honours. No doubt room for improvement. But asking pep to improve at full back is like a deaf man asking you to adjust the treble.


They're WERE alright for a team challenging for honours. They're not good enough anymore.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:53 pm

Mase wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Mase wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?


As I've said, you've used the word 'alright'. This is why we're not moving forward..


Yes, alright for a team challenging for honours. No doubt room for improvement. But asking pep to improve at full back is like a deaf man asking you to adjust the treble.


They're WERE alright for a team challenging for honours. They're not good enough anymore.


Ah, so you're ignoring the fact we don't play with fullbacks then? In that case, we also need far better firemen and oil rig workers.

And weren't we winning games earlier this season, when we did play with those full backs, who apparently aren't good enough?
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Mase » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:17 am

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Mase wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Mase wrote:
Arjan Van Schotte wrote:I'm confused by this. Of course, improvements can always be made, but we have 4 half decent full backs? We were doing alright when the full backs were playing at full back?


As I've said, you've used the word 'alright'. This is why we're not moving forward..


Yes, alright for a team challenging for honours. No doubt room for improvement. But asking pep to improve at full back is like a deaf man asking you to adjust the treble.


They're WERE alright for a team challenging for honours. They're not good enough anymore.


Ah, so you're ignoring the fact we don't play with fullbacks then? In that case, we also need far better firemen and oil rig workers.

And weren't we winning games earlier this season, when we did play with those full backs, who apparently aren't good enough?


Ignoring the fact we don't play with fullbacks but then go on to state we were winning games with fullbacks.
So we do play with fullbacks. We've played more games this season WITH fullbacks than without.

We were winning games this season with fullbacks. No because of those fullbacks.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Crossie » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:47 am

Gone are the days when a player could be improved by coaching it seems! . Pep was my last hope as a manager/coach who could improve a player. He took Stones under his wing initiallly but has he improved after 20 games? No.

I'd love too hear peps opinion on why we chop and change so much. A settled back 4 would help hugely.

Those romantics who think Zabs is still good enough need to watch a game, we all love him but his pace is terrible and his stamina shot. I get tired watching him.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:18 am

Crossie wrote:Gone are the days when a player could be improved by coaching it seems! . Pep was my last hope as a manager/coach who could improve a player. He took Stones under his wing initiallly but has he improved after 20 games? No.

I'd love too hear peps opinion on why we chop and change so much. A settled back 4 would help hugely.


I could not agree more, mate.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby aaron bond » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:55 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:
Crossie wrote:Gone are the days when a player could be improved by coaching it seems! . Pep was my last hope as a manager/coach who could improve a player. He took Stones under his wing initiallly but has he improved after 20 games? No.

I'd love too hear peps opinion on why we chop and change so much. A settled back 4 would help hugely.


I could not agree more, mate.


Agreed. The defence is the one part of the team which benefits the most from a settled starting line-up.

Sagna aside, our defenders are largely shite, but if we kept the same back 4 playing for several games, we would definitely improve. It would also help Bravo adjust to his new surroundings more quickly.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:23 am

aaron bond wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
Crossie wrote:Gone are the days when a player could be improved by coaching it seems! . Pep was my last hope as a manager/coach who could improve a player. He took Stones under his wing initiallly but has he improved after 20 games? No.

I'd love too hear peps opinion on why we chop and change so much. A settled back 4 would help hugely.


I could not agree more, mate.


Agreed. The defence is the one part of the team which benefits the most from a settled starting line-up.

Sagna aside, our defenders are largely shite, but if we kept the same back 4 playing for several games, we would definitely improve. It would also help Bravo adjust to his new surroundings more quickly.


40 games a season players are long gone,they have been for 10 years, the tinker man I dare say saw this coming and so so happy is more relief. None of our back 4 fit the profile of his previous teams. He has plotted our downfall enough time to know that. So he has to come up with a plan and keep players happy who know they are gone ASAP. He has raved about Ferna1 but he is in the last 6 months of his contract, The point is the tune from some of them has to be forced as they know they are out of the door.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby sheblue » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:46 am

Cant understand all the changing at the back.
Okay no team can play the same four defenders game after game, but it can be done more often than not. Were not doing it at all, at any oppertunity. Its madness.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Hazy2 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:48 pm

sheblue wrote:Cant understand all the changing at the back.
Okay no team can play the same four defenders game after game, but it can be done more often than not. Were not doing it at all, at any oppertunity. Its madness.


We need a spine the fullbacks will be more secure. Laporta still that young but commanding central defender for me, more than Stones in his stature, different class to Otter who we were mugged on. I hope goes for him again, Bilbao have him on a deal which means you have to pay the price, he will go at some point, that's how they work, as they wheel another one out, amazing for such a small pool to choose from.
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Re: Fullbacks

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:51 pm

sheblue wrote:Cant understand all the changing at the back.
Okay no team can play the same four defenders game after game, but it can be done more often than not. Were not doing it at all, at any oppertunity. Its madness.


If a team is playing with a back four and the fullbacks are required to push on and provide width in the attacking areas, in every game, I can understand a bit of rotation there to avoid them getting burned out.

However, if this is the case, it's very important that the two centre backs, who provide part of the spine of the team, are played more consistently to provide some stability in this area.
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