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Re: Recognition

Postby nottsblue » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:50 pm

carolina-blue wrote:
stupot wrote:We didn't get proper recognition in the Centurions season. I was watching the last couple of episodes of the Amazon documentary at the weekend and the minute we went out of the Champs League to the dippers there was so much negativity from the media towards "this group of players" despite everything that could go wrong over the 2 legs going wrong. I forgot just how bad it was until watching that. Onside goal given offside at Anfield and blatant pen not given followed by the wrongly disallowed goal at home on the stroke of half time that would have put us 2-0 up. Despite that, 100 points. The highest in history and achieved in stoppage time on the last day. Unbelievable.

The next year for me was even better. 98 points and having to win 14 in a row at the end to beat a team on 97 whilst winning the Domestic Treble in the process. Never been done before and the fact we're in with a chance of doing it again or surpassing it is even more unbelievable.

If this was the rags or the dippers we would never have heard the end of it.



Yer dead right mate , I have asked a few people about the domestic treble and non of them knew it hadn’t been done before , says everything ! And as for the red twats spot on we are still hearing about the fucking class of 90blah blah

Remember at the time of the treble Danny Murphy and iirc Merson, were on Sky’s Debate programme probably a few weeks before the seasons end at around the time of the FA cup semifinal discussing who the manager of the year would be and who could lay claim to have had the better season out of us and the dippers.

Murphy straight away said dippers no question especially if they won the CL, which actually they did end up winning. It was pointed out that what if City won the domestic treble. He said it wouldn’t compare to winning the CL. It was then pointed out a domestic treble had never been achieved before. Murphy looked surprised as he thought it had been done previously but still maintained his stance that a CL win was somehow superior to an achievement that had previously never been accomplished and that to do it would probably need a run of 13 or 14 wins out of the last 14 games, (in the event it was an astonishing 14 consecutive wins to win us the title).

198 points in 2 years with 5 trophies is just ridiculous. It barely gets a mention. It’s all about how the dippers won it in style, etc etc etc. Well, how did their defence of the PL go? Utter fucking dogshit. That’s how it has gone and they are really struggling to make even top 4 this time. Do we hear stories of this failure? No, we have sob stories of VVD and such like.

And when we lift the PL and hopefully another pot or two or three come May, the achievement of 3 PL titles in 4 years and 5 in the last decade with numerous other domestic pots as well, we should get a modicum of grudging respect. But I doubt we will even get that.
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Re: Recognition

Postby stupot » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:03 pm

And after winning the 14 on the run to retain the PL with 98 points. Remember we'd always been told you're not a great team unless you retain a title we then the following week equalled the best FA Cup Final victory in history with our 6-0 win. The previous one was Bury in 1903. Hardly gets a mention.
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Re: Recognition

Postby carolina-blue » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:58 pm

stupot wrote:And after winning the 14 on the run to retain the PL with 98 points. Remember we'd always been told you're not a great team unless you retain a title we then the following week equalled the best FA Cup Final victory in history with our 6-0 win. The previous one was Bury in 1903. Hardly gets a mention.


Being 60 odd and supporting City all my life , through all the ups &. Downs ( lots of downs ) This shit shouldn’t bother me but fuck yes it does , All the hard work that the owners , chairmen , Managers ,
Players , back room staff everyone Have put in ,Just to have these biased media rag whores dismiss the achievements makes my blood boil
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Re: Recognition

Postby Dimples » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:05 pm

When the Dippers won the (var assisted) PL title the media driven debates started re 'are this Liverpool team the greatest PL team ever'?
They were compared with the Arsenal invincibles and the class of '92........

The case put forward for Liverpool was three brilliant seasons where they were just amazing.
Over those three 'amazing Liverpool' seasons they won one CL and one PL.
(Ignored were the CL games against us being fixed in favor of Liverpool, the PL being VAR assisted, stoning coaches and diving).

Over the same time period we won: 2 PLs, 1 FA Cup and 3 League Cups.
We broke records all over the place, for ex, a domestic treble, 100 PL points, most goals scored, etc... and won back to back PLs

Any fair analysis would conclude that the debate should have been 'are this Manchester City team the greatest PL team ever'?
And extended the debate to include 'would City have won the CL if they were not cheated when they played Liverpool'.

I really hope we win a CL just to shove it up their arse.
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Re: Recognition

Postby PeterParker » Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:26 pm

Dimples wrote:When the Dippers won the (var assisted) PL title the media driven debates started re 'are this Liverpool team the greatest PL team ever'?
They were compared with the Arsenal invincibles and the class of '92........

The case put forward for Liverpool was three brilliant seasons where they were just amazing.
Over those three 'amazing Liverpool' seasons they won one CL and one PL.
(Ignored were the CL games against us being fixed in favor of Liverpool, the PL being VAR assisted, stoning coaches and diving).

Over the same time period we won: 2 PLs, 1 FA Cup and 3 League Cups.
We broke records all over the place, for ex, a domestic treble, 100 PL points, most goals scored, etc... and won back to back PLs

Any fair analysis would conclude that the debate should have been 'are this Manchester City team the greatest PL team ever'?
And extended the debate to include 'would City have won the CL if they were not cheated when they played Liverpool'.

I really hope we win a CL just to shove it up their arse.


I've read this week an article after the Internationals Statistics Association confirmed Chelsea as the English team of the last decade.
Read it three times and still did not understand how the flying fuck they had that when we had 8 top 2 places and the rest top 4 in the past 10 years, spend +700 days without allowing any other english club to win anything.
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Re: Recognition

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:40 am

john68 wrote:The problem we have is that, no matter how we define football as football fans, we are all delusional. Since the formation of the G14 across Europe, it has bit by bit over the years become a money making business worth £billions. That evolution attracted investors in search of maximising profit rather than football people. That in turn attracted other businesses, particularly the media and sponsors who also fed from this and themselves earned £billions.

The G14 set the standard by creating the Chqampions League as a competition that gave them the trough from all of these factions to feed..... and anything that threatened that trough had to be killed off.

Unfortunately it was PSG and City that posed that threat....and as we have seen via UeFA, FFP, and the lies and generally negative press from a media with their own profits tied to that trough, City are held as the enemies of football and whatever we do is only acknowledged grudgingly, often with the attached caviat of financial doping etc.

Whatever City do, has to be recognised as a factual event by the old order and the media but don;t expect anything near adulation. What we can expect is "City only succeeded because we were illegally financially doped, (despite the CAS verdict).
And never forget, we have ruined football by challenging the greed of the old order, their financial patrners and all those others who have risen on their greed and corruption.


This.
We will NEVER get the recognition we deserve from G14 licking media and fans. That's why I haven't really bothered to be upset about it in years.

They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Sometimes we're good and sometimes we're bad but when we're good, at least we're much better than we used to be and when we are bad we're just as bad as we always used to be, so that's got to be good hasn't it?


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Re: Recognition

Postby patrickblue » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:48 pm

Dimples wrote:When the Dippers won the (var assisted) PL title the media driven debates started re 'are this Liverpool team the greatest PL team ever'?
They were compared with the Arsenal invincibles and the class of '92........

The case put forward for Liverpool was three brilliant seasons where they were just amazing.
Over those three 'amazing Liverpool' seasons they won one CL and one PL.
(Ignored were the CL games against us being fixed in favor of Liverpool, the PL being VAR assisted, stoning coaches and diving).

Over the same time period we won: 2 PLs, 1 FA Cup and 3 League Cups.
We broke records all over the place, for ex, a domestic treble, 100 PL points, most goals scored, etc... and won back to back PLs

Any fair analysis would conclude that the debate should have been 'are this Manchester City team the greatest PL team ever'?
And extended the debate to include 'would City have won the CL if they were not cheated when they played Liverpool'.

I really hope we win a CL just to shove it up their arse.


And of course, all the cries of "You're not a great team until you retain the title" have mysteriously disappeared.
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