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Re: Mancini

Postby Chopper » Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:35 pm

Im convinced that the decision has already been made.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Original Dub » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:08 pm

Grob wrote:
Accept that Man City dominating world football is just not meant to be!


If you're serious then that's your worst post ever.

You're damn right it's meant to be. The mere fact that the world is suprised we are out of the race is a fantastic stride towards where we are going.

What in God's name makes you think we're about to get worse?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Wooders » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:15 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Grob wrote:
Accept that Man City dominating world football is just not meant to be!


If you're serious then that's your worst post ever.

You're damn right it's meant to be. The mere fact that the world is suprised we are out of the race is a fantastic stride towards where we are going.

What in God's name makes you think we're about to get worse?


possibly the fact that we're getting progressively worse each game?

Anyway

pretty sure mancini is a goner and that we'll be throwing the chequebook at mourinho

the problem we have is that non of our players want to fight for their manager - not even his golden, second son, balo does so it's no suprise when it came to fighting for the title, our lads came up short.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Grob » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:28 pm

Original Dub wrote:
Grob wrote:
Accept that Man City dominating world football is just not meant to be!


If you're serious then that's your worst post ever.

You're damn right it's meant to be. The mere fact that the world is suprised we are out of the race is a fantastic stride towards where we are going.

What in God's name makes you think we're about to get worse?


I think you've missed the context

The post I was replying to said asked what would we do if Mourinho came and failed to win.

If Mourinho came, we wouldnt fail to win, he would make us winners. With our resources and against the other 19 teams in the league, thats as close to a cast iron guarantee as you can get in football.

And over the last 4 months we have got worse so im not sure what point your last line is meant to make?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:57 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:For all the arguments for & against (& most of mine are 'for') we had 30 mins to rescue our season today & he didn't try.

Even to someone like myself who has been a Mancini licker all season, there is no excuse for it.

If he can lose it today, how do we know he won't do the same next season ? It's on days like this that reputations are made or destroyed.


That was my thoughts last season and even after the cup, I'd have got rid in summer if a better option was available. Up until Xmas, I was glad I wasn't in charge as suddenly a different team had appeared. Then the pressure came on and he's reverted to type. However, whereas last season we didn't even try to win and grabbed some dodgy points, since Xmas we've been all over the place. We're not defensive enough to look solid and not dangerous enough to look like we can win.

I wouldn't trust him with next season, as it's likely to start how this one has finished.


Last season I think Mancini was sackably negative on quite a few occasions but the fact that it wasn't that long since we sacked the previous manager meant that it wasn't an option. Then we finished the season strongly which set up a good base for this season.

This season, I think he's made some mistakes but on the whole I think he's been excellent. It's not easy just to chuck a bunch of players together & have them perform at their best for a whole season. The second string players, unfortunately, have failed to step up to the plate & it's put pressure on a small number of players to keep performing. It's pretty clear those players are running out of steam, mentally & physically.

Now that in itself is a question mark against Bob, because it's looking as if he has failed to buy the right men for the job, good players or not. But all managers make some bad signings, literally ALL managers.

Imo though, if we'd had Ryan Giggs rather than Milner & no Balotelli today, the whole game would have been different but Milner, although working hard, showed no vision or quality whatsoever, so after Yaya had gone & Pizzaro's legs had gone, it was down to Aguero Nasri & Balotelli to pretty much beat Arsenal on their own.

Now comes the real turd in the salad; he takes off Nasri & brings on Kolarov= thinking sensible, cautious, football, tactics but not seeing the situation or the psychology of the situation.

That imo, was his chance to prove he was special & could create a picture from nothing but instead he went back to painting by numbers.
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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:19 pm

The question now is this, what if we don't manage to win on wednesday?

At the moment we don't have any objective left and most of the players will be thinking at the european championship, so if he didn't motivate them enough in the last games when all it was in stake, how can he do it now?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Risby » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:21 pm

I think we are stuck between a hard place and a rock.
To get a new man in to take charge of the club or, get rid of the wasters and provide Mancini with more time seems to be the big dilemma the owners will have to debate.
I don't think Mancini knows why the team has capitulated over these past few months. To blame injuries and African Cup of Nations doesn't quite sit right with me. I know we have class players and on their day are an amazing bunch to watch. But the drivel we have been witnessing isn't living up to the expectations set at the beginning of the season.
Something big needs to change, whether that is the man in charge or players leave, something needs to change or I fear an implosion.
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Re: Mancini

Postby mr_nool » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:25 pm

Risby wrote:I think we are stuck between a hard place and a rock.
To get a new man in to take charge of the club or, get rid of the wasters and provide Mancini with more time seems to be the big dilemma the owners will have to debate.
I don't think Mancini knows why the team has capitulated over these past few months. To blame injuries and African Cup of Nations doesn't quite sit right with me. I know we have class players and on their day are an amazing bunch to watch. But the drivel we have been witnessing isn't living up to the expectations set at the beginning of the season.
Something big needs to change, whether that is the man in charge or players leave, something needs to change or I fear an implosion.


Your first name doesn't happen to be Caroline?

In regards to Mancini, I think his post match comment about wanting to sell Balo was a (cowardly) attempt to save his job. You've continued to pick him, Bob, when it's been obvious to pretty much anyone that he is a liability.
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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:43 pm

mr_nool wrote:
Risby wrote:I think we are stuck between a hard place and a rock.
To get a new man in to take charge of the club or, get rid of the wasters and provide Mancini with more time seems to be the big dilemma the owners will have to debate.
I don't think Mancini knows why the team has capitulated over these past few months. To blame injuries and African Cup of Nations doesn't quite sit right with me. I know we have class players and on their day are an amazing bunch to watch. But the drivel we have been witnessing isn't living up to the expectations set at the beginning of the season.
Something big needs to change, whether that is the man in charge or players leave, something needs to change or I fear an implosion.


Your first name doesn't happen to be Caroline?

In regards to Mancini, I think his post match comment about wanting to sell Balo was a (cowardly) attempt to save his job. You've continued to pick him, Bob, when it's been obvious to pretty much anyone that he is a liability.


i found his comments about Balo to be sackable...just fucking horrible things. And then saying, when asked if there will be a review of Balo's tackle on Sagna since he wasn't given a card at the time of the foul, "i hope so" took the cake for me. I just find everything about him wrong right now. He's been a man at panic stations for months and the team smell it as do our competitors, and the media.

fucking disgraceful. i hate it. Any manager worth their salt would have thrown hell at Arsenal the last 20 mins of that match, and once we had that domating 10 mins around the 52 minute mark he should have regrouped, made some subs at 60 mins which were ATTACKING in nature, and then unleashed hell once those players got comfy and our team got their wind.

And he did nothing of the sort...he did the opposite. Played it scared and close to the vest, hoping to nick a cheeky goal in the 87th minute and get the 3 pts.

fail.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Risby » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:14 pm

mr_nool wrote:
Your first name doesn't happen to be Caroline?

In regards to Mancini, I think his post match comment about wanting to sell Balo was a (cowardly) attempt to save his job. You've continued to pick him, Bob, when it's been obvious to pretty much anyone that he is a liability.


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Re: Mancini

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:45 pm

His relationship with Mario is so strange. I defiantly think they're in cahoots.
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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:46 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:His relationship with Mario is so strange. I defiantly think they're in cahoots.


yes, they are both trying to engineer their moves back to Italia.

If i were judge, jury and executioner i would grant them their wish.
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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:48 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:His relationship with Mario is so strange. I defiantly think they're in cahoots.


yes, they are both trying to engineer their moves back to Italia.

If i were judge, jury and executioner i would grant them their wish.


Update: i'm sorry, maybe i misunderstood you. Did you mean you think they are suckin each other's cocks?

BTW that would be "cock's" in Holland, correct?

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Re: Mancini

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:00 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:His relationship with Mario is so strange. I defiantly think they're in cahoots.


yes, they are both trying to engineer their moves back to Italia.

If i were judge, jury and executioner i would grant them their wish.


Update: i'm sorry, maybe i misunderstood you. Did you mean you think they are suckin each other's cocks?

BTW that would be "cock's" in Holland, correct?

cheers

I don't know. Mancini seems like a parent with a fuckload of kids and he's only giving the bad one the attention when his time could/ should be better spent encouraging the others.

Whether you're for or against him, Mancini's man management skills have been severely lacking.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:06 pm

His man management skills were always going to be his biggest test and it does seem that his handling of Mario have caused real issues.Partly because he keeps playing him and he keeps letting him down but perhaps more so because the rest of the squad see how he gets treated and how he performs and aren't happy with it.
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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:07 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:His relationship with Mario is so strange. I defiantly think they're in cahoots.


yes, they are both trying to engineer their moves back to Italia.

If i were judge, jury and executioner i would grant them their wish.


Update: i'm sorry, maybe i misunderstood you. Did you mean you think they are suckin each other's cocks?

BTW that would be "cock's" in Holland, correct?

cheers

I don't know. Mancini seems like a parent with a fuckload of kids and he's only giving the bad one the attention when his time could/ should be better spent encouraging the others.

Whether you're for or against him, Mancini's man management skills have been severely lacking.


it's really transparent and simplistic too, isn't it?

not a single player doesn't feel like Mario gets and takes advantages....related, see NDJs comments this week about Mario being luck we have an Italian manager.

Mancini has cast his lot with Balotelli and i think today, if it wasn't sealed already, Khaldoon will have made the decision to fuck them both off and get a manager in with a more dispassionate sense of player management and a more level set idea on how to treat players and get the best out of them. Tevez is a cunt for his actions, but...could Mancini have done better there also? Clearly, since he put himself and the club in a lose-lose situation -- couldn't ban him, couldn't sell him to buy a replacement and didn't fucking bother to play him. Pathetic.
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Re: Mancini

Postby getdressedmctavish » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:35 pm

Two words, Savic and Ballotelli. Fuck off, Bob.
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Re: Mancini

Postby JoeHartTheIronCurtain » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:36 pm

Mancini is a choke artist, f**ked us up coming into the title run, f**ked our champions league games up aswell, he expects pablo to take on the same role as micah, don't get me wrong I'm a huge Pablo fan but he clearly doesn't have the same stamina speed or is as attacking minded as micah. Remember Ribery's goal or Cavani's goal? Both caught Pablo out when he was on the attack.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:42 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
it's really transparent and simplistic too, isn't it?

not a single player doesn't feel like Mario gets and takes advantages....related, see NDJs comments this week about Mario being luck we have an Italian manager.

Mancini has cast his lot with Balotelli and i think today, if it wasn't sealed already, Khaldoon will have made the decision to fuck them both off and get a manager in with a more dispassionate sense of player management and a more level set idea on how to treat players and get the best out of them. Tevez is a cunt for his actions, but...could Mancini have done better there also? Clearly, since he put himself and the club in a lose-lose situation -- couldn't ban him, couldn't sell him to buy a replacement and didn't fucking bother to play him. Pathetic.


He's bent over backwards (or forwards) for Mario, yet couldn't get on with Bellamy, Adebayor or Tevez. His man management skills have to be questioned.
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Re: Mancini

Postby MR IMAINEROAD » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:31 am

As has been mentioned is there a connection here with the Erikson's season. (Brilliant beginning & Shit end.)

It collapsed at the end because he knew he was going and couldn't care less.

Does Mancini know this? What else can explain the extra ordinary change in form?
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