Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

[carl_feedthegoat]

From the BBC website.

2126: A big penalty shout by Everton. Royston Drenthe goes past Younes Kaboul in the area and goes to ground. Kaboul definitely made contact and that looked like a spot-kick to me. Referee Martin Atkinson thinks otherwise.

Funny that.

I saw it mate....the refs this season are just too FUCKING SHITTTT FOR WORDS.....Fuck me..it makes me so bastard angry.

[Original Dub]

I used to think there was a bias, particularly since the sheikh took over... the last few months have told me there absolutely 100% is a bias. It runs from the commentators and pundits right the way through to the media and more importantly, the organisation that looks after English football.

It is there, it is very real and it is very dangerous because it is done in a way that the vast majority will simply soak it in as gospel.

The power of propaganda is immense.

Last night, we lost a game of football fair and square. (I'm not going into the definite red for Johnson on this occasion).
We were worse than them (and that's saying something) and we lost because of that. Absolutely no arguments from me on that score. Its almost refreshing to be annoyed with the team and manager etc. This is the first time all season that we have lost fairly and without intervention from officials.

That is staggering considering we have now lost 4 out of our last 8 games.
Absolutely staggering.

This can't be investigated it would seem. It can't be questioned and even some idiots on here still try to tell us it isn't real.

Peter Parker started a thread asking if we could still win the league based on the above and I don't think some of you either got what he was saying or took it seriously enough. We weren't in a bad run of form and certainly not a crisis... but we are now. It was created. Some results can be taken from you as a team by outside powers as we have witnessed over the last two months in particular. The impact is a drain of confidence and that is exactly what's happening at this stage.

We are scared to tackle, scared to attack... we are scared in general.

Some say we are too good for this to get in the way of winning the league. I am doubting it with every passing game. A friend of mine stopped watching football about 3 years ago because he felt it was far too heavily influenced for him to get genuinely excited about.

I'm not at that stage yet and I hope I never will be.... but I'm being tested every time we play these days.

[Hazy2]

Panic is the only thing that will slow us down, 2 defeats in cups, not even clocked the turn out figure from last night, which was a joke, but can see the pockets must be empty for many, so just posting my honest feelings on us. If we as a whole club do our bit we will get where we want to,If we worry and do fuck all to generate noise levels like last nighT ! we will fail to get to the place we want to get to. AJ, Nasri are lacking confidence to name two, Players looked tired last night, we were flat as fans, crap game but only half time. Bring on Wigan lets relax and enjoy it, we have a great opportunity to do things this season, which will set up the club for decades. We have seen two of the so called biggest clubs in the world in 3 days, IMHO, City at full tilt would beat both at the same time. Let the press build up Spurs, we know how that ends when they come City 3 Harry 0.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Strangely, on the way to the ground for the Filth game, a mate of mine pointed out that the odds on City winning the game were far too long. He is a betting man and laps all this stuff up.
"11/10 (I think) you's think we'd be shorter odds than that" he said,"I hate it when that happens cos it always gets me thinking and the bookies are rarely wrong" Sure enough, we lost.
Hmmmmm.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

They don't want us to win fuck all.

I have to point out that this is a double negative and therefore if 'they' don't want us to win fuck all, 'they' must therefore want us to win something.
Sorry.

[Ted Hughes]

I used to think there was a bias, particularly since the sheikh took over... the last few months have told me there absolutely 100% is a bias. It runs from the commentators and pundits right the way through to the media and more importantly, the organisation that looks after English football.

It is there, it is very real and it is very dangerous because it is done in a way that the vast majority will simply soak it in as gospel.

The power of propaganda is immense.

Last night, we lost a game of football fair and square. (I'm not going into the definite red for Johnson on this occasion).
We were worse than them (and that's saying something) and we lost because of that. Absolutely no arguments from me on that score. Its almost refreshing to be annoyed with the team and manager etc. This is the first time all season that we have lost fairly and without intervention from officials.

That is staggering considering we have now lost 4 out of our last 8 games.
Absolutely staggering.

This can't be investigated it would seem. It can't be questioned and even some idiots on here still try to tell us it isn't real.

Peter Parker started a thread asking if we could still win the league based on the above and I don't think some of you either got what he was saying or took it seriously enough. We weren't in a bad run of form and certainly not a crisis... but we are now. It was created. Some results can be taken from you as a team by outside powers as we have witnessed over the last two months in particular. The impact is a drain of confidence and that is exactly what's happening at this stage.

We are scared to tackle, scared to attack... we are scared in general.

Some say we are too good for this to get in the way of winning the league. I am doubting it with every passing game. A friend of mine stopped watching football about 3 years ago because he felt it was far too heavily influenced for him to get genuinely excited about.

I'm not at that stage yet and I hope I never will be.... but I'm being tested every time we play these days.

I don't think there is any conspiracy against us (apart from in UEFA etc where there definitely is a conspiracy against any teams gatecrashing the elite party), it's just there is a huge bias towards others. I think we get less bias towards us from refs than the likes of rags & Liverpool for example. It's subconcious rather than concious bias though; they have been brainwashed/intimidated over a period of time by the personel, profile & media machine of those clubs. The clubs involved know how it works & as soon as they get a wrong decision they play the 'everybody is against us' card, in order to intimidate future officials. Bob has tried it a bit but doesn't have the same influence.

Sometimes when we play lesser teams, I recon the refs are trying NOT to be swayed by our star players etc so over compensate by giving all the 60/40 free kicks to the oppo. They don't/daren't do that v Liverpool or Utd etc.

This stage of the season is where people in football feel the pressure. Teams crack, managers crack, the refs etc arses go & they default to rags/Liverpool & the usual suspects. It has always been the same. If we're to win titles, we have to break through it by being significantly better. Just being a bit better won't do it.

We were beaten fair & square by a not very good Liverpool team yesterday. Imo, that wasn't nerves or being scared, it was Bob picking a team which imo, wouldn't have won if it was still playing now.

[branny]

The Officials just haven't been up to scratch this season.

[john68]

The Officials just haven't been up to scratch this season.

They should have been up to scratch...they've been lousy enough.

[branny]

The Officials just haven't been up to scratch this season.

They should have been up to scratch...they've been lousy enough.

I agree and I think we've suffered more than most.

[s1ty m]

The referees have been terrible this season and it seems to be getting worse. The last few games have kicked us more unfairly in the bollocks than any club at any time that I can remember. It's not on.

[Im From Manchester]

I used to think there was a bias, particularly since the sheikh took over... the last few months have told me there absolutely 100% is a bias. It runs from the commentators and pundits right the way through to the media and more importantly, the organisation that looks after English football.

It is there, it is very real and it is very dangerous because it is done in a way that the vast majority will simply soak it in as gospel.

The power of propaganda is immense.

Last night, we lost a game of football fair and square. (I'm not going into the definite red for Johnson on this occasion).
We were worse than them (and that's saying something) and we lost because of that. Absolutely no arguments from me on that score. Its almost refreshing to be annoyed with the team and manager etc. This is the first time all season that we have lost fairly and without intervention from officials.

That is staggering considering we have now lost 4 out of our last 8 games.
Absolutely staggering.

This can't be investigated it would seem. It can't be questioned and even some idiots on here still try to tell us it isn't real.

Peter Parker started a thread asking if we could still win the league based on the above and I don't think some of you either got what he was saying or took it seriously enough. We weren't in a bad run of form and certainly not a crisis... but we are now. It was created. Some results can be taken from you as a team by outside powers as we have witnessed over the last two months in particular. The impact is a drain of confidence and that is exactly what's happening at this stage.

We are scared to tackle, scared to attack... we are scared in general.

Some say we are too good for this to get in the way of winning the league. I am doubting it with every passing game. A friend of mine stopped watching football about 3 years ago because he felt it was far too heavily influenced for him to get genuinely excited about.

I'm not at that stage yet and I hope I never will be.... but I'm being tested every time we play these days.

Absolutely brilliant post, don't forget this is the same organisation that carried on tapping phones undiscovered for many many years and it never came out to keep selling papers. Despite this some people refuse to believe that they wouldn't do similar underhand tactics to keep the football business growing.

[ashton287]

Last night, we lost a game of football fair and square. (I'm not going into the definite red for Johnson on this occasion).
We were worse than them (and that's saying something) and we lost because of that. Absolutely no arguments from me on that score. Its almost refreshing to be annoyed with the team and manager etc. This is the first time all season that we have lost fairly and without intervention from officials.

If kompany was playing (not banned for a fair challenge by a corrupt ref) savic wouldn't have given away a pen as he wouldn't of played. Savic wouldn't have been so bad in the first half as he wouldn't have played and the whole team would of done better as a result of the more solid platform.

Small picture, without corrupt ref's we would have at least drawn.

Also corrupt reffing in the past few weeks has undoubtably had a serious mental effect on the team. They are playing against 14 men EVERY game, they are being punished for being too good. They are being punished because everyone else isn't good enough. At some point the players have to start thinking

"what's the fucking point. No matter how hard we try or how much we deserve it, we will have it taken away from us".

That has already affected the team from what I have seen. So we didn't lose fairly. Even if a ref does everything right against Wigan the team will still expect to be fucked over AGAIN and that will affect us for the rest of the season. If we get a run of good games with good reffing it still won't go away, it will be right there in the back of their minds as soon as we play a "big" team.

Big picture, without corrupt ref's we would of won 4/5-1 as per the confident, swaggering, unplayable, free scoring, smiling happy team that we're too good to be left alone.

[Original Dub]

If kompany was playing (not banned for a fair challenge by a corrupt ref) savic wouldn't have given away a pen as he wouldn't of played. Savic wouldn't have been so bad in the first half as he wouldn't have played and the whole team would of done better as a result of the more solid platform.

Small picture, without corrupt ref's we would have at least drawn.

Also corrupt reffing in the past few weeks has undoubtably had a serious mental effect on the team. They are playing against 14 men EVERY game, they are being punished for being too good. They are being punished because everyone else isn't good enough. At some point the players have to start thinking

"what's the fucking point. No matter how hard we try or how much we deserve it, we will have it taken away from us".

That has already affected the team from what I have seen. So we didn't lose fairly. Even if a ref does everything right against Wigan the team will still expect to be fucked over AGAIN and that will affect us for the rest of the season. If we get a run of good games with good reffing it still won't go away, it will be right there in the back of their minds as soon as we play a "big" team.

Big picture, without corrupt ref's we would of won 4/5-1 as per the confident, swaggering, unplayable, free scoring, smiling happy team that we're too good to be left alone.

What have you done with the real ashton??

Bang on.

[dazby]

If kompany was playing (not banned for a fair challenge by a corrupt ref) savic wouldn't have given away a pen as he wouldn't of played. Savic wouldn't have been so bad in the first half as he wouldn't have played and the whole team would of done better as a result of the more solid platform.

Small picture, without corrupt ref's we would have at least drawn.

Also corrupt reffing in the past few weeks has undoubtably had a serious mental effect on the team. They are playing against 14 men EVERY game, they are being punished for being too good. They are being punished because everyone else isn't good enough. At some point the players have to start thinking

"what's the fucking point. No matter how hard we try or how much we deserve it, we will have it taken away from us".

That has already affected the team from what I have seen. So we didn't lose fairly. Even if a ref does everything right against Wigan the team will still expect to be fucked over AGAIN and that will affect us for the rest of the season. If we get a run of good games with good reffing it still won't go away, it will be right there in the back of their minds as soon as we play a "big" team.

Big picture, without corrupt ref's we would of won 4/5-1 as per the confident, swaggering, unplayable, free scoring, smiling happy team that we're too good to be left alone.

What have you done with the real ashton??

Bang on.

I like this Ashton. Can we keep him Dad puleeeeease? We promise we'll be ever so good.

[feedthegreek]

this table premier league only.

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/the-decisions-so-far

[mcfc1632]

Just a small example of the SKY bias but there are so many..............

As the Newcastle game has just started the start of the programme flashes through some 'special moments' of the PL you look to see a fair representation of good moments from across the PL and of course a couple that involve the scum - after all they have been the dominant force.

What you get though is the following clips:

Team Clips Comments

Scum 6.......Of these most/all are just ‘glowing’
CITY 1.......If Hart making a save is positive
Arse 3
Scouse 1.......Surprising that
Chelski 2.......Also surprising as 1 was a Terry tackle and the other Jose




Beyond that you get 1 of Sheringham playing for a club other than the scum - but scum related and Keegan with his head in his hands - scum related

Just thought that I would point it out

[Chinners]

If thats based on the 20 years of the prem then the %'s are about right arn't they?

[Rag_hater]

If people were to look back over the years at what rag and other clubs fans have said about there being a conspiracy against then we are guilty of the same thing,the same sort of rubbish has been spouted in this thread as when a "big"team lose.It makes us look like sore losers like those cunts.

[branny]

this table premier league only.

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/the-decisions-so-far

I'd also add Reina handball outside the box at Anfield and Barry sending off H v Scouse 1.

[Ted Hughes]

If people were to look back over the years at what rag and other clubs fans have said about there being a conspiracy against then we are guilty of the same thing,the same sort of rubbish has been spouted in this thread as when a "big"team lose.It makes us look like sore losers like those cunts.

Rags have used it as a tactic to intimidate referees and it has worked, so however you look at it, you are wrong that it is rubbish & we aren't guilty of anything apart from supporting our club. It would be nice if less people backed the rags in this.

Chris Foy has just yellow carded a player for a foul much worse than Vinny's and the player has been stretchered off. If it had been rags or Liverpool with Rooney at his throat it would have been a red card. Wilkins is saying thee's nothing wrong with the challenge. If it had been on Rooney or Lampard he would be condemning it. This biased shit in reffing & media has been going on for fucking years. Don't tell me it doesn't happen as I've fucking seen it, lots of times. It's happening right now & it's fucking obvious. It's not a conspiracy, it's bias. There is a big difference.