Mancini

[Lee_R]

Still angry but we need to stick by our manager. We cant just start again as were half way into the project now and a new manager would want to spend again. Mancini is right.. we need a few more players for depth. Yaya wont be away next year so thats important. Love Mario but he needs to be benched next season or got rid of. Tevez out too.. bring in RVP, Hazard and another solid defender. We'll be stronger next year plus Mancini will be wiser and better.

[Ted Hughes]

Still angry but we need to stick by our manager. We cant just start again as were half way into the project now and a new manager would want to spend again. Mancini is right.. we need a few more players for depth. Yaya wont be away next year so thats important. Love Mario but he needs to be benched next season or got rid of. Tevez out too.. bring in RVP, Hazard and another solid defender. We'll be stronger next year plus Mancini will be wiser and better.

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

[Kladze]

Still angry but we need to stick by our manager. We cant just start again as were half way into the project now and a new manager would want to spend again. Mancini is right.. we need a few more players for depth. Yaya wont be away next year so thats important. Love Mario but he needs to be benched next season or got rid of. Tevez out too.. bring in RVP, Hazard and another solid defender. We'll be stronger next year plus Mancini will be wiser and better.

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

In a game which we simply HAD TO WIN, I could scarcely believe that our entire approach appeared to be one of trying to steal a 1-0 win by keeping it tight. Those tactics would have the likes of Mercer and Allison spinning in their grave and Tony Book probably heading for his grave more quickly.

FUCK !!

Edit : I'll change my signature picture tomorrow when I can be arsed.

[Im_Spartacus]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has bottled it several times this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup ecause mancini hasnt got a clue how to outfox a very limited dalglish, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup even before kompanys dismissal, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place 2 seasons ago, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong, and leopards dont change their spots.

[Ted Hughes]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has done ot several tomes this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong.

I don't agree whatsoever that we were outplayed by Utd in the Cup. I think we totally outclassed them & they scored with a breakaway, then we continued to outclass them & got a player sent off, then we continued to outclass them & they scored from a scrappy bouncing ball, then after a period where they finally dominated for a while, we fucked them up completely with ten men & they shat themselves.

I don't expect perfection from managers I expect some mistakes, from all of them. I think that on the whole Mancini has been great this season & was looking forward to next season full of optimism until his pathetic showing today, which I refuse to accept.


I then settled down to watch our dream manager's team piss away yet another two points as their arses start to go with Barca catching them up. It's a fine line.

[DoomMerchant]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has done ot several tomes this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong.

I don't agree whatsoever that we were outplayed by Utd in the Cup. I think we totally outclassed them & they scored with a breakaway, then we continued to outclass them & got a player sent off, then we continued to outclass them & they scored from a scrappy bouncing ball, then after a period where they finally dominated for a while, we fucked them up completely with ten men & they shat themselves.

I don't expect perfection from managers I expect some mistakes, from all of them. I think that on the whole Mancini has been great this season & was looking forward to next season full of optimism until his pathetic showing today, which I refuse to accept.


I then settled down to watch our dream manager's team piss away yet another two points as their arses start to go with Barca catching them up. It's a fine line.

Paul Jewell manages in La Liga? fucking awesome!!!

[Grob]

it's really transparent and simplistic too, isn't it?

not a single player doesn't feel like Mario gets and takes advantages....related, see NDJs comments this week about Mario being luck we have an Italian manager.

Mancini has cast his lot with Balotelli and i think today, if it wasn't sealed already, Khaldoon will have made the decision to fuck them both off and get a manager in with a more dispassionate sense of player management and a more level set idea on how to treat players and get the best out of them. Tevez is a cunt for his actions, but...could Mancini have done better there also? Clearly, since he put himself and the club in a lose-lose situation -- couldn't ban him, couldn't sell him to buy a replacement and didn't fucking bother to play him. Pathetic.

He's bent over backwards (or forwards) for Mario, yet couldn't get on with Bellamy, Adebayor or Tevez. His man management skills have to be questioned.

If I was Khaldoon I'd certainly be asking that question of Mancini at the end of the season. I can't actually think of an excuse he could pull for this one

[Grob]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has done ot several tomes this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong.

I don't agree whatsoever that we were outplayed by Utd in the Cup. I think we totally outclassed them & they scored with a breakaway, then we continued to outclass them & got a player sent off, then we continued to outclass them & they scored from a scrappy bouncing ball, then after a period where they finally dominated for a while, we fucked them up completely with ten men & they shat themselves.

I don't expect perfection from managers I expect some mistakes, from all of them. I think that on the whole Mancini has been great this season & was looking forward to next season full of optimism until his pathetic showing today, which I refuse to accept.


I then settled down to watch our dream manager's team piss away yet another two points as their arses start to go with Barca catching them up. It's a fine line.

They've had a wobble yet they are 4 points clear of the worlds best team tm with 7 to play

Where are we again?

[Blue Since 76]

Still angry but we need to stick by our manager. We cant just start again as were half way into the project now and a new manager would want to spend again. Mancini is right.. we need a few more players for depth. Yaya wont be away next year so thats important. Love Mario but he needs to be benched next season or got rid of. Tevez out too.. bring in RVP, Hazard and another solid defender. We'll be stronger next year plus Mancini will be wiser and better.

Yaya will be away again unless he actually takes the rumoured international break.

There's also something wrong with saying we weren't quite up to it, let's bring in the best forward in the league and a winger the whole of Europe wants. It'll be nice if we can, but how about we try getting the most out of the players we have like other teams seem to manage?

[Ted Hughes]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has done ot several tomes this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong.

I don't agree whatsoever that we were outplayed by Utd in the Cup. I think we totally outclassed them & they scored with a breakaway, then we continued to outclass them & got a player sent off, then we continued to outclass them & they scored from a scrappy bouncing ball, then after a period where they finally dominated for a while, we fucked them up completely with ten men & they shat themselves.

I don't expect perfection from managers I expect some mistakes, from all of them. I think that on the whole Mancini has been great this season & was looking forward to next season full of optimism until his pathetic showing today, which I refuse to accept.


I then settled down to watch our dream manager's team piss away yet another two points as their arses start to go with Barca catching them up. It's a fine line.

They've had a wobble yet they are 4 points clear of the worlds best team tm with 7 to play

Where are we again?

We are Real Madrid now !!??

After Manci putting a side together for 2 & a bit seasons, we are to be compared with Real Madrid, who have been competing at the top European table for eons ?

They are potentially wobbling into 2nd place. If they succeed, we won't need to ask them to release Jose.

So we will sack Bob & replace him with a bloke who has been sacked for blowing a bigger lead than we have, in spite of having the world's second best player, who we are told would guarantee us winning everything if we signed him. Funny old game.

[Grob]

He's been wiser and better this season, until today, when he has totally let us, himself, & the club down by bottling it.

He has done ot several tomes this season, you were just unwilling to see it because of your stance.

Call United all you want, but i dont recall them ever starting a game with the expectation of a draw, and they fight like fuckers regardless of their quality. That comes from the top, they will have off days, and when they do they temd to be extreme off days.

We whimpered out of the league cup, were outplayed vs united in the fa cup, then mancini sat and watched united destroy us down the flanks for a further two goals, persisting with milner at right back. The games he has had to go for it, i have been happy with the outcome, but not blind to the fact we shouldnt have been in that position had we shown enterprise ourselves.

Add that to bottling the league cup semi and the league run in (ironically vs arsenal) which cost us a cl place, and i dont see how it has taken you until today to see that something in his tactical makeup is seriously wrong.

I don't agree whatsoever that we were outplayed by Utd in the Cup. I think we totally outclassed them & they scored with a breakaway, then we continued to outclass them & got a player sent off, then we continued to outclass them & they scored from a scrappy bouncing ball, then after a period where they finally dominated for a while, we fucked them up completely with ten men & they shat themselves.

I don't expect perfection from managers I expect some mistakes, from all of them. I think that on the whole Mancini has been great this season & was looking forward to next season full of optimism until his pathetic showing today, which I refuse to accept.


I then settled down to watch our dream manager's team piss away yet another two points as their arses start to go with Barca catching them up. It's a fine line.

They've had a wobble yet they are 4 points clear of the worlds best team tm with 7 to play

Where are we again?

We are Real Madrid now !!??

After Manci putting a side together for 2 & a bit seasons, we are to be compared with Real Madrid, who have been competing at the top European table for eons ?

They are potentially wobbling into 2nd place. If they succeed, we won't need to ask them to release Jose.

So we will sack Bob & replace him with a bloke who has been sacked for blowing a bigger lead than we have, in spite of having the world's second best player, who we are told would guarantee us winning everything if we signed him. Funny old game.

Oh dear

Here's one, with this squad and Mourinho in charge, do you think we would be better off?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

>>>> I still think that Mancini can learn from hist mistakes though - I'm willing to give him another season to get get things right.

In what way is he learning? Two years ago we needed to win at Arsenal and he shit himself and went for a draw. The following season we went to Arsenal with the sole intention of playing the whole game in our half and trying not to trouble their keeper. A year further on, and with a superior squad he went to Arsenal needing to win and shit himself again. He didn't even get the scabby point this time.
He is a shithouse. He will always bottle it. Even when he has to go for it he can't. It's the way he is.

[DoomMerchant]

Oh dear

Here's one, with this squad and Mourinho in charge, do you think we would be better off?

we'd be better off in the short term -- not sure where it would get us 3 seasons from now, but...unless we find a young manager to dedicate most of a decade to, he's the surest thing around.

wrt Ted's angst around both Tranny and Jose, i think it's just the frustration of the season. To a man, Mourinho is the best manager in the world. And Tranny is a fantastic player, no questions asked.

Do we need both or either to win the league? probably not at some point, but why take the hardest path in the world when we're trying to build this thing?

[Grob]

Oh dear

Here's one, with this squad and Mourinho in charge, do you think we would be better off?

we'd be better off in the short term -- not sure where it would get us 3 seasons from now, but...unless we find a young manager to dedicate most of a decade to, he's the surest thing around.

wrt Ted's angst around both Tranny and Jose, i think it's just the frustration of the season. To a man, Mourinho is the best manager in the world. And Tranny is a fantastic player, no questions asked.

Do we need both or either to win the league? probably not at some point, but why take the hardest path in the world when we're trying to build this thing?

Im sure Chelseas won a could of championships post Mourinho, champions league finalists too.

Porto and Inter collapsed after him, mainly imo due to the fact that he had them punching above their weight. Inter's collopse to me is similar to Chelseas post Anchelotti, and aging squad that hasnt been reinvested in.

I dont buy that post Mourinho, we would also collopse. Whats to say if he did come he wouldnt stay for 10 years?

[Ted Hughes]

Oh dear

Here's one, with this squad and Mourinho in charge, do you think we would be better off?

we'd be better off in the short term -- not sure where it would get us 3 seasons from now, but...unless we find a young manager to dedicate most of a decade to, he's the surest thing around.

wrt Ted's angst around both Tranny and Jose, i think it's just the frustration of the season. To a man, Mourinho is the best manager in the world. And Tranny is a fantastic player, no questions asked.

Do we need both or either to win the league? probably not at some point, but why take the hardest path in the world when we're trying to build this thing?

My concerns about Mourinho are that for one thing, he is the managerial version of Balotelli. Every fucking day, we will be fielding Mourinho stories & if we're not, he will do something to make sure we are.

Number two, if he wins us the league & Utd are in turmoil after Ferguson (who must go soon, whatever he says), he won't think twice about finishing his contract with us & signing one with them. It won't even cross his mind as a problem; he'll just do it on a whim if he fancies it.

Number three, he will cause shit with most of the other teams in the Prem especially rivals, they already hate us now, they will super hate us, then he will fuck off & leave us to deal with it.

Number four. Half of the players he signs don't get a game for his teams.

Number five. He has cracked under pressure several times this season & just because his record is brilliant, it doesn't mean that it will always be so. If, as is possible, he blows it now with Real, we may be getting an ex special one, rather than a special one.

Number six. No, I don't neccessarily think the present team would do better under Mourinho. I think he would sign players & improve it, as Mancini will have to. This squad does not have the type of players to play like a Mourinho team.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

What's the point in sacking him? We need some consistency.

[Risby]

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You are right, we do need consistency, but we also need to change a few things.
We need to get rid of the players who are perhaps decreasing the quality of the squad and replace them with talented players.
Mancini if he stays also needs to alter his management skills (I think he could be too stubborn to do this). His player management and his ability to create a team that's sets out to win every game. Some games, the team has gone out and tried to coast through the game. They should be putting all their energy into each game and destroying teams like Swansea, Stoke and Sunderland.

[mr_nool]

we should of never got rid of sven.
just sayin'

[DoomMerchant]

we should of never got rid of sven.
just sayin'

it sounds like you've gone and ate one this afternoon, haven't you?

cheers

[mr_nool]

I wish I had (ate what by the way?).

Honestly, I really don't know who we could bring in or even if we should sack Bobby, but his post-match comments yesterday just made me furious. They were cowardly and unfair. Balo didn't lose us the game (he could have had he been sent off, but he wasn't). Mancini must've been aware of the challenge(s), but chose to talk some sense into Mario and send him back out. Mario did listen (until the dying minute) and actually put in a better shift than Aguero, but eventually lost it, just like every one but Bob knew he would. Bob made that decision. He also made the decision to wait with bringing Tevez on until too late, to bring in Kolarov for a creative player, and for fucking bottling it. Mancini (and lacklustre performances from HIS players) lost us the game, and highlighting Balo's actions is just trying to divert the blame from himself.