Panti Or Hart

[sheikh it all about]

This episode will be a test for Pellers almost as much as the two goalies.

It wasn't an easy decision whether to drop Hart or simply hope he'd play out his loss of form. It may be even more tricky to decide when he returns. That will be based on a thorough assessment of Panti's performances, Joe's form in training (and England) and Joe's frame of mind.

Situations like this call for genuine man management skills. Hopefully we end up stronger but we risk pissing off one or both players if it goes tits up.

[Wonderwall]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

[mcfc1632]

Agreed - Panti has shown mental strength and commitment to CITY, Joe should do the same. I cannot help thinking though that this will be less evident. I do not have any evidence for that view and I hope that I am wrong.

[Rag_hater]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with him being Englands No1 but the fact that people don't want somebody who is a rough diamond replacing somebody who has proved themselves to be the real thing.

[Herb]

Still talking bollox I see Herb. You had plenty of retorts to me filled with venom towards Hart and not once did I say he's 'world class'.

Oooh, and you said that you wouldn't read any of my posts - just couldn't keep away could you?
Sorry my dear jousting partner, I just said it for my own amusement as I knew it'd get you out from under your stone. You really are so obsessed with fumble thumbs that it's taken over your sad life and has badly affected your reason to the degree that you can't even stick to your plan to ignore me. You need to relax a bit more because you've become so easy to wind up that there's little fun in baiting you any more!

Oh, and I have no ill-feeling towards Joe - I think he's a great bloke, IMO not fit to play in goal for Manchester City FC at the moment but a great bloke nevertheless (and with potential to become world class!).







PS. Joe said that you're weird and can you you please stop stalking him!

[Wonderwall]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with him being Englands No1 but the fact that people don't want somebody who is a rough diamond replacing somebody who has proved themselves to be the real thing.

says the spokesman for the majority! Everyone starts a rough diamond and TBH who can say he is a rough diamond, he has done nothing wrong and when called upon against CSKA, he performed well.

[Rag_hater]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with him being Englands No1 but the fact that people don't want somebody who is a rough diamond replacing somebody who has proved themselves to be the real thing.

says the spokesman for the majority! Everyone starts a rough diamond and TBH who can say he is a rough diamond, he has done nothing wrong and when called upon against CSKA, he performed well.

I think he could have been a bit better placed and got his hand to it at Sunderland but that's not my call so for me unlike you I do think he has done something wrong.

[Wonderwall]

I think he could have been a bit better placed and got his hand to it at Sunderland but that's not my call so for me unlike you I do think he has done something wrong.

Thats a debatable one for the goalkeeping experts to mull over. You dont have to be an expert to see that hart has seriously messed up on a number of occasions where as panti hasnt.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

Why feel sorry for him?

Few reasons I'm not excited, I've never been convinced from what I've seen that he's got what it takes at this level, secondly Mancini still stuck with Hart despite his very public falling out with him, that speaks volumes about how much he rated Pants and thirdly when it was common knowledge that he was available for transfer there was no great clamour for his signature, again that speaks volumes that those in the game don't see enough there to buy him for what let's be honest wouldn't by any means be a large transfer fee.

I have no bias towards England, I honestly couldn't give two fucks if Hart is England's no. 1 or not, being Irish that doesn't even factor into my thinking when forming my opinion.

As long as Pants is between the sticks I wish him well but I would much prefer to see Hart there as I know he has what it takes, that's not unreasonable, is it?

[Wonderwall]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

Why feel sorry for him?

Few reasons I'm not excited, I've never been convinced from what I've seen that he's got what it takes at this level, secondly Mancini still stuck with Hart despite his very public falling out with him, that speaks volumes about how much he rated Pants and thirdly when it was common knowledge that he was available for transfer there was no great clamour for his signature, again that speaks volumes that those in the game don't see enough there to buy him for what let's be honest wouldn't by any means be a large transfer fee.

I have no bias towards England, I honestly couldn't give two fucks if Hart is England's no. 1 or not, being Irish that doesn't even factor into my thinking when forming my opinion.

As long as Pants is between the sticks I wish him well but I would much prefer to see Hart there as I know he has what it takes, that's not unreasonable, is it?

Thats is all your opinion and not factual. Why have you not been convinced, what has he done to warrant your scepticism? Mancini stuck with Hart, nobody knows why, was Panti carrying a knock? The falling out was over the aftermatch quotes and not about his goalkeeping, so why drop him then? How do you know nobody enquired about panti? I would imagine Panti is on good money as thats how our club set out our stall to get to where we are, its not his fault. He may want similar money to go elsewhere which could be a stumbling block. The Fact is, Panti is now first choice and its his shirt to lose.

IMO Hart needs a rest, I really like Hart and hope this episode makes him better and stronger in the future to enable him to kick on be one of the worlds best with City.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

best PL keeper for 3 years on the trot...surely this is a clarkie?? hart has been at best average and at worst UTTER FUCKING DOGSHIT for nearly 2 years!!!

"Average". Sorry mate but that's ridiculous.

[Sideshow Bob]

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

best PL keeper for 3 years on the trot...surely this is a clarkie?? hart has been at best average and at worst UTTER FUCKING DOGSHIT for nearly 2 years!!!

"Average". Sorry mate but that's ridiculous.

one or two good performances over the course of the season doesn't make him world class...it makes him average. tim krull put on one the the greatest displays you'll ever see against the spuds, but would you have him over casillas/buffon/valdes/etc?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

best PL keeper for 3 years on the trot...surely this is a clarkie?? hart has been at best average and at worst UTTER FUCKING DOGSHIT for nearly 2 years!!!

"Average". Sorry mate but that's ridiculous.

one or two good performances over the course of the season doesn't make him world class...it makes him average. tim krull put on one the the greatest displays you'll ever see against the spuds, but would you have him over casillas/buffon/valdes/etc?

He was more or less best keeper in the league for three years in a trot before his stink. That is nothing like average.

[freshie]

one or two good performances over the course of the season doesn't make him world class...it makes him average. tim krull put on one the the greatest displays you'll ever see against the spuds, but would you have him over casillas/buffon/valdes/etc?

That's utter bullshit. Either you have a very short memory or didn't watch any of the games in our title-winning season cos Joe was outstanding, not just for one or two games but the whole season and singlehandedly won us points that helped us to the Premier League title

[Herb]

one or two good performances over the course of the season doesn't make him world class...it makes him average. tim krull put on one the the greatest displays you'll ever see against the spuds, but would you have him over casillas/buffon/valdes/etc?

That's utter bullshit. Either you have a very short memory or didn't watch any of the games in our title-winning season cos Joe was outstanding, not just for one or two games but the whole season and singlehandedly won us points that helped us to the Premier League title

I watched all the games in our title winning season and Joe put on some sterling shot stopping displays (much to our delight) - he was almost unbeatable in a 1 on 1 situation and I think we all came to believe that he had at least a 50/50 chance of saving a penalty - he looked great.
However, he was sat behind the most cohesive defence in the premier league, which helped, but he was still below average in dealing with corners and still dropped some bollocks.
Last season he was fuckin' miserable - so bad so often but we stuck with him, gave him our full support, and then this season he was even worst - he failed to deal with three 1 on 1's against bloody cardiff for fucks sake - 3 goals conceded in situations that he would've dealt with without blinking 2 seasons ago. I'm not going to attempt to list all the milestones in his sorry decline but I do make the point that yes he was an impressive stopper in our title winning season (and I loved him for it) but he was never an outstanding keeper because he has never had the full suite of skills that an outstanding keeper requires and still hasn't.

Must add that he looked pretty damn good in the first half of tonights game - made 1 great stop and pity about the kraut goal because he stood no chance with that from the position he'd put himself in but think he was relying on our 6 defenders dealing with the 1 german attacking the ball and I can't disagree with that.
Edit update after 90 minutes; Joe did a decent job of it tonight, distribution looked better than usual / he kept his concentration up and I was really pleased for him but it was good not mind glowingly brilliant so wasn't a display that would unsettle our first team keeper.

[zabbadabbado]

I saw nothing last night that has made me change my mind on Joe Hart.He made a couple off good saves,he is a great shot stopper that has never been in doubt.

However his performance was ruined with another humungous clanger that could have easily cost England a goal.That is the problem with Joe these type of errors have cost us dearly because these errors although isolated,usually result in a goal for the opposition.

Still don't trust him net for us,we cant just hope he dose not have a brain storm and do something daft in a game for us.Pellegrini needs results now.

[Nickyboy]

I really find it strange that a City fan can be so OTT strong in his condemnation of a City player who is is considered by so many to be the best keeper England has bar none. No problems with the criticism of him and wanting him dropped but the strength of feeling is quite amazing.

along with his best mates group of scum mates from across the City probably have a lot to do with the resentment Doug.............maybe if the cunt was a little bit more humble then he would get more support.

Wasn't Summerbee best pals with George Best? - Did you resent him?

[Nickyboy]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

What about the howler he let in against Chelsea in the Charity shield?

That aside though Panti has been reliable when called upon in 'real' games and I think he has carried himself very professionally throughout the last few weeks.

[Herb]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

What about the howler he let in against Chelsea in the Charity shield?

That aside though Panti has been reliable when called upon in 'real' games and I think he has carried himself very professionally throughout the last few weeks.

IMO 1 howler in 4 top flight games = about 4 x less howlers than Joe was having in his games this season.

[tc6828]

No matter if Joe recovers his form, he and we are scarred and will be constantly bricking it when he is between the sticks just waithing for him to regress.

Sell him on in January - Simples.