patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.
As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.
And it's the simplest to counter.
As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.
Im_Spartacus wrote:patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.
As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.
And it's the simplest to counter.
As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.
I thought it would be the easiest argument to counter, but in reality its needed 10 years and a Newcastle and a Forest to highlight 2 different scenarios where extreme wealth is prevented from investing in their squad, and to see who benefits from that?
The problem is, as this has taken so long to come through, we now have an entirely new generation of fans upto 30 years old, who have grown up unaware that football existed before Man City, and are completely oblivious to the fact that we are not part of the 'cartel' - all the comments that 'City will get away with this because they have money' - completely loses sight of the fact that we were always the fucking target of FFP from day 1.
It sadly goes to show both the public's stupidity, and also the brainwashing the red agenda media has performed in turning City into the bad guy.
salford city wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:patrickblue wrote:Indeed, spot on.
As you say, the most common argument, is that City fans are talking shite about why FFP exists, as it wasn't just United, Arsenal and Liverpool who voted for it, but the rest of the PL clubs including Everton......surely if it was so obviously anti-competitive, the likes of Everton wouldn't have voted for it.
And it's the simplest to counter.
As you've said, most owners are going to vote for anything that limits their liability and stops pressure on them to spend. And most did.
I thought it would be the easiest argument to counter, but in reality its needed 10 years and a Newcastle and a Forest to highlight 2 different scenarios where extreme wealth is prevented from investing in their squad, and to see who benefits from that?
The problem is, as this has taken so long to come through, we now have an entirely new generation of fans upto 30 years old, who have grown up unaware that football existed before Man City, and are completely oblivious to the fact that we are not part of the 'cartel' - all the comments that 'City will get away with this because they have money' - completely loses sight of the fact that we were always the fucking target of FFP from day 1.
It sadly goes to show both the public's stupidity, and also the brainwashing the red agenda media has performed in turning City into the bad guy.
That last paragraph is the most pertinent in all of this. Sad in the main that the rest of football outside of the original SLY cartel have not seen ffp for what is was. We've said it forever on here and so whilst I can sympathise with the fans of the clubs that are starting to realise the real affect of these schemes, I also think fuck em for signing up and letting the cartel clubs get away with it in the first place.
blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
Im_Spartacus wrote:Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
I can't remember if Leicester were part of the league when the rules were dreamed up, but even if they were, again we have a situation voted for by a previous regime of a club over a decade and a half ago that wasn't contemplating their future change of ownership.
The implications here though, added to the Forest one are going to be very interesting.
The notion that a club's fate should be decided on the pitch, is going out of the window here and that's going to really start to piss fans of all clubs off, it's already starting to wear thin and there are enough questions now coming up that FFP is starting to be exposed for the nonsense it is - and the likes of Forest, Leicester, Everton are all just collateral damage in what was essentially established to stop City.
I think we can all agree that 'some' rules which genuinely protect clubs from shit owners are needed, but the punishments of points deductions are just not feasible in reality. We can't have 20% of clubs in the league having points randomly deducted mid-season, nor can we start having questions about the fairness of a specific deduction/tariff, as this will always cause appeals like Everton and Forest have already done. We become an accounting league, not a football league.
I mean lets look at the reality here - lets assume City are found guilty of at least some of what is alleged, lets just speculate for a moment that its a 50 point deduction that in effect relegates us, and causes us not to qualify for the CL......the implications beyond that are really problematic.
It would be impossible within a short timeframe, for Manchester City to divest itself of the contracts it has committed to based on its forecast revenue for the following year. So, if City all of a sudden lose $100m prize money and TV revenue in the year they find themselves outside the Premier league, and 2 they find themselves outside of the CL, how can it be reasonable that the club shed $100m in expenditure on player contracts to address that?
You get a snowball situation that could in itself cause a financial catastrophe if the club tried to comply, because lets say you sell a player to get him off the wage bill, you had to pay out that player's contract AND sell below market value - in fact rather than saving $5m off the wage bill, you've probably just actually caused a loss on the balance sheet of $20m from selling that player.
I think this puts the PL in a very interesting legal area........because essentially the conduct of the PL would now be directly causing the club to make financial losses, which (aside from the very questionable legality of causing a business to crystallise a loss) in turn makes it impossible to comply with their rules, which in turn means we get punished again, and again and again until we've sold all our best players and returned to the middle of the pack.
carolina-blue wrote:Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,
patrickblue wrote:carolina-blue wrote:Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,
Us, Fulham, West Brom, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against it. Reading abstained.
carolina-blue wrote:patrickblue wrote:carolina-blue wrote:Mase wrote:blues2win wrote:https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13099398/leicester-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-breach-of-profitability-and-sustainability-rules
Premier League have now charged Leicester City who have fired back.
They all voted for it. They all deserve it
The Hatefull 8 or 10 or 19 all cunts -if I remember only Sheffield Utd abstained - yer right they all deserve it ,
Us, Fulham, West Brom, Aston Villa, Swansea and Southampton voted against it. Reading abstained.
Oh ok thanks . I thought Sheff abstained in something or other
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