Edin Dzeko

[edge275]

Dzeko is absolutely shite - get rid.

We need to part ex him.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Dzeko is absolutely shite - get rid.

We need to part ex him.

11 goals in the premiership at the half way stage and was responsible for getting us 3 points on his own against Wigan..............

I do not think he is anyway near shite..........I do think he has been guilty of not putting in enough effort now and again but if I was him Id be fucking pissed off that he rarely ever gets a decent cross into the box.

[Blue Since 76]

It will be criminal if we sell him imo as he has proved what a great goal scorer he is......I agree that its down to Mancini to pay to his strengths...how fucking hard is it to get the wingers to cross the fucking ball into the net...the scum have been doing this for years.

That's the point though - we don't play with wingers. So we either buy at least one and change our whole system for one player or accept that Dzeko isn't the right type of player for us and part-ex him for someone who is. What we can't do is continue trying to hammer the square peg into the round hole.

[Dingus McDouchey]

but we do play with wingers. they are the full backs! and they are the crossers in bobby's system. think about when we have been the most successful this season. it's when the full backs are getting near their touchline. micah especially. so many of our goals have been created this way, and it has stopped happening as often. if we get back to doing this well, dzeko will score for fun.

[Blue Since 76]

but we do play with wingers. they are the full backs! and they are the crossers in bobby's system. think about when we have been the most successful this season. it's when the full backs are getting near their touchline. micah especially. so many of our goals have been created this way, and it has stopped happening as often. if we get back to doing this well, dzeko will score for fun.

It's stopped happening because he keeps playing Kolarov

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

He is a goal scorer with fantastic record. There's always room for one of those.

He looks awkward as a player and gets loads of stick for that. I knew that would happen when we signed him as that's exactly how he looked in Germany as well. But he does what he does best really really well. And that is putting those chances away.

I personally love that we have player like that especially alongside Aguero who is complete opposite.

[Socrates]

Dzekos job is to score...I think hes doing that pretty well up to now and if we could actually cross balls into the area he would score more fuckign goals !

Its the same old story..we are not playing to his strengths and then we end up slagging him off.

We definitely don't play to his strengths. I'll avoid the obvious comment.

Problem is, there's no point having him if he doesn't fit our system. A bit like de Jong now we don't really need a midfielder who can just sit. Or if we had a proper defensive full back who couldn't get forwards.

I'm really not sure what we bought dzeko for or what role we're asking him to play. He's not a strong target man and we could have got better for much less. He's not an Aguero type which seems to be what we need. He's not even a Mario type who can come in off the wing. I suspect if dzeko played for spurs or the rags he'd be scoring a lot more, but we don't play with wingers and never will under mancini, so what did he buy dzeko for?

It will be criminal if we sell him imo as he has proved what a great goal scorer he is......I agree that its down to Mancini to pay to his strengths...how fucking hard is it to get the wingers to cross the fucking ball into the net...the scum have been doing this for years.

Yeah fuck winning the league, Mancini's system isn't working and it should be changed to suit Dzeko. We should bring back Mark Kennedy, he could cross a ball when he was pissed!

[zuricity]

I disagree with you entirely Socrates.

We do play to edin's strengths , he does play well for us. I don't think Carl is saying that everything must be changed for our wingers to do their jobs properly, so that Edin can get on the end of some crosses.

This is perhaps one of the worst aspects of our game at the moment. We do not deliver the ball into the box with accuracy or even with the correct weight or flight on the ball consistently enough.

I mean, Kolarov ( i've given him enough time now) is just plain dopey at times. What on earth was that sledgehammer cross
on wednesday towards the end of the game? Johnson does no cross the ball well at all.

We are playing to Edin's strengths , the delivery is sometimes shocking. He is usually where he is supposed to be.

By the way, the guy tracks back really well and works for the team.

As for people moaning about his first touch. He plays in a striker position. His first touch is required for a different way to use tha ball than when Gareth, Samir, David, James, play quick one touch passes. Typically Edin is expected to control the ball to make a shot or turn on the ball to make a shot. Most of the midfield players are moving the ball along. Also the ball gets delivered to him with pace and not always in a perfect position to control it , sometimes it's not a great pass to him.

We've seen Edin score all types of goals, headers, long range shots. left and right foot. He's going to be great player for us over the rest of his career.

[Crossie]

If you look at his career stats, he has consistently scored his goals in batches. Might be a form thing. He will usually score 4 or 5 games in a row, or get a 5 goals over 2 or 3 games.

He does the same for us. However that is slightly disguised by the squad rotation. Something which I think doesn't suit Edin's confidence levels.

I think we signed him as a more ballsy Adebayor, target man, someone who when we needed to, could just have the ball lumped up to him, hold it up and introduce a fwd running midfielder/winger. For a big guy he isnt too bad with his feet, his pace is reasonable but certainly not enough to out pace a top class defender like Vidic for example.

If AJ was played on the left we might see some crosses, but he doesnt even bother crossing with his right foot.

If Edin can bag us 20 goals a season, I don't really care how well he appears to play.

[Original Dub]

He'll score more than 20 I'd say. He can't be too far off that now...

[Socrates]

More to it than just confidence, although that is a factor. Most of his goals come when we already have a lead in a game and the other side are chasing, leaving space at the back. Without space, he isn't quick enough or skillful enough to add much to the game.

[Tokyo Blue]

He is a goal scorer with fantastic record. There's always room for one of those.

Yes. This is true.

With regard to playing wingers, I don't see why you have to be "a winger" to cross the ball. Other players are more than capable of making enough space for a cross from whatever angle and of putting that cross into the danger area. Where Dzeko is usually waiting. For some reason we just don't. I am not convinced the manager has to take all the "blame" for this.

[Dubaimancityfan]

but we do play with wingers. they are the full backs! and they are the crossers in bobby's system. think about when we have been the most successful this season. it's when the full backs are getting near their touchline. micah especially. so many of our goals have been created this way, and it has stopped happening as often. if we get back to doing this well, dzeko will score for fun.

Yes we do play with wingers (sometimes). Against Scouse Bobby played Micah as full back and Zabba as a winger. Does anyone see the point in that ? Isn't it obvious that Micah is the better one going forward and Zabba, we all know can do a decent job at RB. So why did it Bobby do it. How many crosses did Zabba put in for Dzeko to exploit ?
And even when AJ came on, he hardly produced 1 decent cross or pass. So what is Dzeko to do. From the 1 decent cross from Kolarov, he scored and that's what he is good at.
Of the few corner kicks we got, not one was done properly to give him a chance to get on the end of. He did that against Wigan and scored and he did it against Spuds for an assist on the 2nd goal.
So anyone calling him shite is living in La la land. Bobby knew very well what kind of player he was when he brought him in and so if he doesn't play to his strength, that is not Dzeko's fault.

[Ted Hughes]

Of course we should put more crosses in. People arguing with that are arguing with Mancini whilst thinking they are supporting him. He said lat week that we are not getting the best out of Dzeko & should be crossing to him.

Instead of blindly trying to kiss Bob's arse & pretend everything is perfect, listen to what he says.

Imo though, a player in his position giving the ball away 50% of the time & barely winning a header in open play like he did v Spurs, cannot play for a top club in the Premier League. The days of pure goalcsorers who do nothing else is pretty much over as mainstays of a top team. Dzeko won't put up with just being a sub.

Dzeko has proved he can contribute brilliantly to the general play of the team though. It's down to how hard he tries imo. The goals will come but if we're on the back foot all the time because of him not participating, the goals won't be worth shit & who's to say we couldn't find a better goalscorer who contributes more ?

Bob will not let him do this. He needs to really get stuck in now, whilst Mario is out. This is his big chance to prove himself. He is definitely capable of it, he's proved that.

[Socrates]

Of course we should put more crosses in. People arguing with that are arguing with Mancini whilst thinking they are supporting him. He said lat week that we are not getting the best out of Dzeko & should be crossing to him.

Instead of blindly trying to kiss Bob's arse & pretend everything is perfect, listen to what he says.

Imo though, a player in his position giving the ball away 50% of the time & barely winning a header in open play like he did v Spurs, cannot play for a top club in the Premier League. The days of pure goalcsorers who do nothing else is pretty much over as mainstays of a top team. Dzeko won't put up with just being a sub.

Dzeko has proved he can contribute brilliantly to the general play of the team though. It's down to how hard he tries imo. The goals will come but if we're on the back foot all the time because of him not participating, the goals won't be worth shit & who's to say we couldn't find a better goalscorer who contributes more ?

Bob will not let him do this. He needs to really get stuck in now, whilst Mario is out. This is his big chance to prove himself. He is definitely capable of it, he's proved that.

If he has already proven it then why is this his chance to prove it? Make your mind up. I know you can have an argument in an empty room but that is taking it a bit far.

[Ted Hughes]

Of course we should put more crosses in. People arguing with that are arguing with Mancini whilst thinking they are supporting him. He said lat week that we are not getting the best out of Dzeko & should be crossing to him.

Instead of blindly trying to kiss Bob's arse & pretend everything is perfect, listen to what he says.

Imo though, a player in his position giving the ball away 50% of the time & barely winning a header in open play like he did v Spurs, cannot play for a top club in the Premier League. The days of pure goalcsorers who do nothing else is pretty much over as mainstays of a top team. Dzeko won't put up with just being a sub.

Dzeko has proved he can contribute brilliantly to the general play of the team though. It's down to how hard he tries imo. The goals will come but if we're on the back foot all the time because of him not participating, the goals won't be worth shit & who's to say we couldn't find a better goalscorer who contributes more ?

Bob will not let him do this. He needs to really get stuck in now, whilst Mario is out. This is his big chance to prove himself. He is definitely capable of it, he's proved that.

If he has already proven it then why is this his chance to prove it? Make your mind up. I know you can have an argument in an empty room but that is taking it a bit far.

Because he only does it one game in four or five. Now he has the opportunity to put in a consistent performance over several games. Imo, if he doesn't, Bob won't trust him. He's been at the club long enough to start showing consitency & this is the time we need him to do it. I think he's in danger of losing his job otherwise as we can still get good money for him now. In a year's time, that would be more difficult if he doesn't start games.

[sheblue]

with mario out big ed will get us a hat trick in the next 3 league matches..........seriously.

[Ted Hughes]

with mario out big ed will get us a hat trick in the next 3 league matches..........seriously.

If he plays to his capabilities, none of the teams coming up can live with him.

[Grob]

A £27 million target man in a team that doesn't play to the target man's strenths.

That he's often easily bullied into his shell by center halves for a player with his size and strength makes me angry.

As we saw on Wednesday and last Monday though, if we deliver well from wide areas, he will find the net regulally.

I don't buy the notion he's purely a confidence player. A strikers confidence level dicates where he attempts to score from or the positions he puts himself in. Not whether or not his touch falls to pieces like Edin's sometimes does.

He's not really cut out for the type of football we play at the end of the day, I would sell in the summer and buy a player who is more tailored to our game.

[Ted Hughes]

A £27 million target man in a team that doesn't play to the target man's strenths.

That he's often easily bullied into his shell by center halves for a player with his size and strength makes me angry.

As we saw on Wednesday and last Monday though, if we deliver well from wide areas, he will find the net regulally.

I don't buy the notion he's purely a confidence player. A strikers confidence level dicates where he attempts to score from or the positions he puts himself in. Not whether or not his touch falls to pieces like Edin's sometimes does.

He's not really cut out for the type of football we play at the end of the day, I would sell in the summer and buy a player who is more tailored to our game.

That's a much more succinct way of saying what I've been trying to explain for about 100 lines! It's not always the case though; sometimes he does fight & then he's brilliant.