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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby ross.mcfc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:03 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:I'd have the biting cunt but I can't imagine we don't also need someone like Andy Carroll. Seriously, i'd have them both.


I rate Carroll but he would be even more out of place than Edin.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:04 pm

I think Suarez is very much in the type of Sergio/Carlos player so I'm not sure we'd be interested just on that score. He's also a horrible cunt so that completely rules him out.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Spurge » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:12 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Spurge wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:On the question of PotY, if we forget Suarez' misdemeanours, would anybody say he was the best?

Looking at the other nominee's I'd say Suarez has been by far the most consistently good player.


In all honesty I think Suarez has underperformed this season. That may sound odd to many but to try and put it in some sort of perspective, he should have had twice as many goals this season. He creates chances from nothing, does the hard work with a deft first touch and loses a couple of players in the box to create an excellent opportunity for himself and promptly misses the target or has his shot saved too often.

So really it's a back handed compliment -I'm saying this without any idea of his shots to goals ratio and therefore am leaving myself to be shot down in flames, but thats how it seems to me. I think he has the ability to be top scorer by a country mile if he can improve his finishing, though as is obvious to all he is a vile and nasty little cheat, who may never change.

As for his ban, 10 was right, how could it be any less. He got 8 for the Evra thing and has not learnt his lesson, so he couldn't have any less than 8 in my opinion for this latest 'incident', these aren't the sort of issues to brush aside.

I think he's second in the goal scoring league but has scored something like 38% of Liverpools goals this season. What you do see a lot is the misses when watching things like MotD but I'm sure his ratio isn't that bad, say compared to some of our strikers.


So I had to have a look at the stats for this season...according to ESPN

Suarez - 33 games, 23 goals, from 187 shots
So thats a goals/shots conversion rate of just 12.29% and an average of 5.7 shots per game

Aguero - 26 games, 10 goals, from 73 shots
A goals/shots conversion rate of 13.69% and an average of 2.8 shots per game

Figures were for premier league only and suspect it didn't include todays game where Sergio's conversation rate would have dropped further and his shots per game average would have increased! But look at how many shots per game Suarez has.

Also Suarez averages a goal every 1.43 games, Sergio at a goal every 2.6 games.

I'm not a big advocate of stats you can often read too much into them and for all sorts of reasons I'd rather have Aguero.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Risby » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:48 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:
I rate Carroll but he would be even more out of place than Edin.


I think he would give more to the team. He looks quicker. He can hold up a ball and he's aggressive.
He would be well suited to those games where we have drawn this year.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:17 pm

Spurge wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Spurge wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:On the question of PotY, if we forget Suarez' misdemeanours, would anybody say he was the best?

Looking at the other nominee's I'd say Suarez has been by far the most consistently good player.


In all honesty I think Suarez has underperformed this season. That may sound odd to many but to try and put it in some sort of perspective, he should have had twice as many goals this season. He creates chances from nothing, does the hard work with a deft first touch and loses a couple of players in the box to create an excellent opportunity for himself and promptly misses the target or has his shot saved too often.

So really it's a back handed compliment -I'm saying this without any idea of his shots to goals ratio and therefore am leaving myself to be shot down in flames, but thats how it seems to me. I think he has the ability to be top scorer by a country mile if he can improve his finishing, though as is obvious to all he is a vile and nasty little cheat, who may never change.

As for his ban, 10 was right, how could it be any less. He got 8 for the Evra thing and has not learnt his lesson, so he couldn't have any less than 8 in my opinion for this latest 'incident', these aren't the sort of issues to brush aside.

I think he's second in the goal scoring league but has scored something like 38% of Liverpools goals this season. What you do see a lot is the misses when watching things like MotD but I'm sure his ratio isn't that bad, say compared to some of our strikers.


So I had to have a look at the stats for this season...according to ESPN

Suarez - 33 games, 23 goals, from 187 shots
So thats a goals/shots conversion rate of just 12.29% and an average of 5.7 shots per game

Aguero - 26 games, 10 goals, from 73 shots
A goals/shots conversion rate of 13.69% and an average of 2.8 shots per game

Figures were for premier league only and suspect it didn't include todays game where Sergio's conversation rate would have dropped further and his shots per game average would have increased! But look at how many shots per game Suarez has.

Also Suarez averages a goal every 1.43 games, Sergio at a goal every 2.6 games.

I'm not a big advocate of stats you can often read too much into them and for all sorts of reasons I'd rather have Aguero.

Suarez/Sergio's conversion rates seem very similar this season but I wonder if there'd have been a better rate for Sergio last season.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:48 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:On the question of PotY, if we forget Suarez' misdemeanours, would anybody say he was the best?

Looking at the other nominee's I'd say Suarez has been by far the most consistently good player.


Playing in a side that, largely, has been not much above average.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:57 pm

Mancini said that Suarez was the player of the season. Mmm.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:01 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Mancini said that Suarez was the player of the season. Mmm.

Who would you say?
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:04 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Mancini said that Suarez was the player of the season. Mmm.

Who would you say?

That's not my point, my point is does Mancini fancy him at our place? I'd give the player of the season to Mata.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Plain Speaking » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:03 am

I suspect Mancini would want Suarez as a partner for Cavani!
Personally I see Suarez as a step too far.
Hopefully Cavani will settle well without his international team mate.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Dameerto » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:22 pm

Risby wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:
I rate Carroll but he would be even more out of place than Edin.


I think he would give more to the team. He looks quicker. He can hold up a ball and he's aggressive.
He would be well suited to those games where we have drawn this year.


We need a bully - I like Dzeko a lot but that has never been in his toolbox. If we'd had one this season I'm sure we'd have converted a few of those draws into wins.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed May 29, 2013 9:02 pm

Said in an interview today that he's not happy in this country and would love to play for Real Madrid. So he's off....
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Slim » Thu May 30, 2013 9:20 pm

I would like to think that because they are after Suarez, they wouldn't go after Cavani, unfortunately it's Real Madrid and they'd buy both and still inquire about Aguero.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Saul Goodman » Fri May 31, 2013 12:59 am

I heard Real want to pair the compatriots atop their squad.


But, talking about Suarez, this guy sounds like a lil bitch. He complains about the english press's treatment of him.
All they've done is reported on what he does (i.e: biting, diving, racially abusing). what a cunt.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Tesl » Fri May 31, 2013 2:46 am

Saul Goodman wrote:I heard Real want to pair the compatriots atop their squad.


But, talking about Suarez, this guy sounds like a lil bitch. He complains about the english press's treatment of him.
All they've done is reported on what he does (i.e: biting, diving, racially abusing). what a cunt.


Honestly I think Suarez has genuine mental problems. I can understand diving to a certain extent because its just trying to get a competitive advantage, but the bite on Ivanovic was just so random and bizarre. That plus all the other stuff (racism, refusing the handshake etc) just gives the impression he doesn't understand the world around him.

I hope he leaves because I'm sick of hearing about him.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Mase » Fri May 31, 2013 6:17 am

Saul Goodman wrote:
But, talking about Suarez, this guy sounds like a lil bitch. He complains about the english press's treatment of him.
All they've done is reported on what he does (i.e: biting, diving, racially abusing). what a cunt.


That would be all well and good if they also reported on Rooney swearing at refs 500 times a match. Or Jonny Evans raping a West Brom player but they don't. They pick on certain players (who aren't British) and run with it.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby trueblue64 » Fri May 31, 2013 12:09 pm

Breaking news: Luis Suarez confirms he wants to leave Liverpool via Sky sports
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Chinners » Fri May 31, 2013 2:07 pm

Mase wrote:
Saul Goodman wrote:
But, talking about Suarez, this guy sounds like a lil bitch. He complains about the english press's treatment of him.
All they've done is reported on what he does (i.e: biting, diving, racially abusing). what a cunt.


That would be all well and good if they also reported on Rooney swearing at refs 500 times a match. Or Jonny Evans raping a West Brom player but they don't. They pick on certain players (who aren't British) and run with it.


Spot on Mase. Suarez maybe a cock at times but he's definately a picked on cock by our media. How Evra came out squeeky clean in that 'negrito' row still bemuses me.
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby MilnersJaw » Fri May 31, 2013 3:23 pm

He is just using as an excuse to leave for more money and a bigger club. Regardless if he singled out or not
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Re: Luis Suarez

Postby Nigels Tackle » Fri May 31, 2013 3:27 pm

bet he ends up with us
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