Panti Or Hart

[Blue2]

Joe back in on Sunday for me please

[Herb]

Joe back in on Sunday for me please

Joe was dropped after 18 months of mistakes so I'd rather have Costel between the sticks as he's performed well for us and done nothing to deserve dropping. I'll cheer on whoever's in net for us but it would be a very un-City like travesty if Costel were dropped simply because Hart hadn't made a major comedy error in a handful of training sessions and 1 very average England game (where his decision making nearly cost us a second goal).

[Blue in the face]

No way back on Sunday.

In the England game he made the exact same mistake he made at Chelsea, this time he was lucky and the defender got the ball away. He hasn't learned from his mistakes so what's the point of bringing him back and take the risk he won't do it again?

And about half way through the second half he stopped a shot, but just palmed the ball back out into the six yard area and was lucky an England defender got to the ball before the oncoming forward. He's done this a few times in the past and cost us goals in champions league games. If you watch Pantilimon he tries to push the ball around the post and sometimes he even catches it. Why cant Hart do that?

I wont condemn him completely. Maybe his coaches are rubbish.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Last night Hart made some good saves and looked to be getting confidence back and then he just loses his mind again by rushing out his area when there was no need to and got lucky that Germany didn't take advantage.
He's done that few times now. Against Blackburn a couple of years back, Sweeden last season, Chelsea this and then last night. He doesn't seem to have learnt from it. Great players learn from their mistakes, not repeat them.

But I'm totally bemused as to why he does this. If he comes storming out his box, the only thing he can do is challenge the striker for a header. If he misses it we're fucked and even if he makes it, he risks heading it straight out to an opposition player who has an unguarded goal. Ibrahimovic's against us last season for example. if he stays in his goal it's a simple header back to him for the defender. And the defender can't be expecting the keeper to come charging out his goal and he has every right to be fucked off with hart for putting him under unnecessary pressure.

I'd still keep Panti in atm because I'm just not confident with Hart at the moment.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

What about the howler he let in against Chelsea in the Charity shield?

That aside though Panti has been reliable when called upon in 'real' games and I think he has carried himself very professionally throughout the last few weeks.

The rags third goal in the FA Cup came from a poor kick straight to one of theirs, it put us on the back foot from which we conceded a penalty( which to be fair to him he did well to save ).

Against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi he flapped at a set piece and punched the ball straight onto a Chelsea head, thankfully we had a defender on the line to spare his blushes.

Against CSKA a couple of weeks ago he badly flapped at a corner and was lucky to get away with it.

He was also poor in the 2-4 against Villa in the League Cup.

That's what I can recall off the top of my head. He's played 16 times for City. Not good enough imo.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I feel sorry for Panti, he has done nothing wrong and may well be the answer if he is given the opportunity. Never seen him have a bad game in any of his starts for City. Shame people are not excited about him having the opportunity. Maybe its because this board has a majority England No1 Bias, however, I am bothered more about City's no1, if thats Panti and he proves himself, then we will see if Joe will show the mental strength we know he has, or takes the easy option and goes elsewhere.

Why feel sorry for him?

Few reasons I'm not excited, I've never been convinced from what I've seen that he's got what it takes at this level, secondly Mancini still stuck with Hart despite his very public falling out with him, that speaks volumes about how much he rated Pants and thirdly when it was common knowledge that he was available for transfer there was no great clamour for his signature, again that speaks volumes that those in the game don't see enough there to buy him for what let's be honest wouldn't by any means be a large transfer fee.

I have no bias towards England, I honestly couldn't give two fucks if Hart is England's no. 1 or not, being Irish that doesn't even factor into my thinking when forming my opinion.

As long as Pants is between the sticks I wish him well but I would much prefer to see Hart there as I know he has what it takes, that's not unreasonable, is it?

Thats is all your opinion and not factual. Why have you not been convinced, what has he done to warrant your scepticism? Mancini stuck with Hart, nobody knows why, was Panti carrying a knock? The falling out was over the aftermatch quotes and not about his goalkeeping, so why drop him then? How do you know nobody enquired about panti? I would imagine Panti is on good money as thats how our club set out our stall to get to where we are, its not his fault. He may want similar money to go elsewhere which could be a stumbling block. The Fact is, Panti is now first choice and its his shirt to lose.

IMO Hart needs a rest, I really like Hart and hope this episode makes him better and stronger in the future to enable him to kick on be one of the worlds best with City.

Of course it's my opinion, I never suggested otherwise.

I don't believe Pants was carrying a knock because he was on the bench playing back up to Hart all season, if he had a knock surely Wright would've been on the bench? The falling out was imo the beginning of Joe's drop in form, he bounced back from the howler against Real when the ladyboy put the ball through him but seemed to lose it again following the derby, no doubt Mancini's public criticism ( again ) not helping the situation. It's my opinion that Mancini would've dropped him based on his loss of form following this if he had faith in Pants.

The reason I believe that no one came in for him is that there was only Fiorentina linked with him last summer, as far as I know, and they stated in the press that they were not interested. I accept that I can't know for sure but given the press interest in City I'm surprised they didn't get a sniff of another club linked.

On the wages, again this is just going on press reports but he's allegedly on £10k a week. It's not like the press to report a City player earns less than he actually does.

If it were up to me I'd have an experienced capable keeper playing back up to Joe with an under21 as third choice. I'm sorry I don't have confidence in Pantillimon, I wish I had.

[Beefymcfc]

If he doesn't make it back then I'll understand, but understand that he'll have to go, to another top team.

[Herb]

The rags third goal in the FA Cup came from a poor kick straight to one of theirs, it put us on the back foot from which we conceded a penalty( which to be fair to him he did well to save ).
Against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi he flapped at a set piece and punched the ball straight onto a Chelsea head, thankfully we had a defender on the line to spare his blushes.
Against CSKA a couple of weeks ago he badly flapped at a corner and was lucky to get away with it.
He was also poor in the 2-4 against Villa in the League Cup.
That's what I can recall off the top of my head. He's played 16 times for City. Not good enough imo.

There you go again making a jackass of yourself with your poorly executed self promotion Joe - we know it's you by your poor positioning!
All joking aside you cheeky little lover of the golden child; if you're so fond of listing goalkeeping errors, fumbles and whoopsies then you should stick to Charles John Joseph Hart because he really is Mr Butterfingers himself and he'll have given you enough comedy capers in the last 18 months to write a thesis on how not to keep goal . . while throwing away a title challenge (possibly 2 after the damage he's already done this season) and an FA cup trophy.

If you think up and stop your childish hate campaign against Costel (who has been a good servant to this club) then people might take you seriously - as it is it you come across with such poorly targeted drivel that it just makes you look like some sad ass 12 year old girl in love with the clumsy keeper in the dandruff shampoo ads and I know you've got better than that in you because you can be sensible and even intriguing on other topics.

[Breks]

Joe back in on Sunday for me please

Why?

[Nickyboy]

The rags third goal in the FA Cup came from a poor kick straight to one of theirs, it put us on the back foot from which we conceded a penalty( which to be fair to him he did well to save ).
Against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi he flapped at a set piece and punched the ball straight onto a Chelsea head, thankfully we had a defender on the line to spare his blushes.
Against CSKA a couple of weeks ago he badly flapped at a corner and was lucky to get away with it.
He was also poor in the 2-4 against Villa in the League Cup.
That's what I can recall off the top of my head. He's played 16 times for City. Not good enough imo.

There you go again making a jackass of yourself with your poorly executed self promotion Joe - we know it's you by your poor positioning!
All joking aside you cheeky little lover of the golden child; if you're so fond of listing goalkeeping errors, fumbles and whoopsies then you should stick to Charles John Joseph Hart because he really is Mr Butterfingers himself and he'll have given you enough comedy capers in the last 18 months to write a thesis on how not to keep goal . . while throwing away a title challenge (possibly 2 after the damage he's already done this season) and an FA cup trophy.

If you think up and stop your childish hate campaign against Costel (who has been a good servant to this club) then people might take you seriously - as it is it you come across with such poorly targeted drivel that it just makes you look like some sad ass 12 year old girl in love with the clumsy keeper in the dandruff shampoo ads and I know you've got better than that in you because you can be sensible and even intriguing on other topics.

Getting tedious now Herb

[Rodders]

There you go again making a jackass of yourself with your poorly executed self promotion Joe - we know it's you by your poor positioning!
All joking aside you cheeky little lover of the golden child; if you're so fond of listing goalkeeping errors, fumbles and whoopsies then you should stick to Charles John Joseph Hart because he really is Mr Butterfingers himself and he'll have given you enough comedy capers in the last 18 months to write a thesis on how not to keep goal . . while throwing away a title challenge (possibly 2 after the damage he's already done this season) and an FA cup trophy.

If you think up and stop your childish hate campaign against Costel (who has been a good servant to this club) then people might take you seriously - as it is it you come across with such poorly targeted drivel that it just makes you look like some sad ass 12 year old girl in love with the clumsy keeper in the dandruff shampoo ads and I know you've got better than that in you because you can be sensible and even intriguing on other topics.

I wouldn't quite go as far as to say 'a good servant for the club' as a back up goalie. He's average, done what he gets paid for..

I'd like to see some experience...proven...mid 30's who's been there and won it and that Hart will look up to and learn from. Someone who's had to think more intelligently about the way they keep as they've got older. pants needs to be playing first team, and he brings nothing to the table so let him leave with all our best wishes...

[Rag_hater]

The rags third goal in the FA Cup came from a poor kick straight to one of theirs, it put us on the back foot from which we conceded a penalty( which to be fair to him he did well to save ).
Against Chelsea in the FA Cup semi he flapped at a set piece and punched the ball straight onto a Chelsea head, thankfully we had a defender on the line to spare his blushes.
Against CSKA a couple of weeks ago he badly flapped at a corner and was lucky to get away with it.
He was also poor in the 2-4 against Villa in the League Cup.
That's what I can recall off the top of my head. He's played 16 times for City. Not good enough imo.

There you go again making a jackass of yourself with your poorly executed self promotion Joe - we know it's you by your poor positioning!
All joking aside you cheeky little lover of the golden child; if you're so fond of listing goalkeeping errors, fumbles and whoopsies then you should stick to Charles John Joseph Hart because he really is Mr Butterfingers himself and he'll have given you enough comedy capers in the last 18 months to write a thesis on how not to keep goal . . while throwing away a title challenge (possibly 2 after the damage he's already done this season) and an FA cup trophy.

If you think up and stop your childish hate campaign against Costel (who has been a good servant to this club) then people might take you seriously - as it is it you come across with such poorly targeted drivel that it just makes you look like some sad ass 12 year old girl in love with the clumsy keeper in the dandruff shampoo ads and I know you've got better than that in you because you can be sensible and even intriguing on other topics.

Your fixation of the fact that Joe has done a advert and your constant jibes at people accusing them of having man love for him seem a bit disturbing.
Anyway have a bit of your own medicine:
Watch this and have a wank


Your fixation of the fact that Joe has done a advert and your constant jibes at people accusing them of having man love for him seem a bit disturbing.
Anyway have a bit of your own medicine:
Watch this and have a wank


[youtube]08eV29gWPII[/youtube]

[johnny crossan]

clearly Hart should never have been dropped for Pants but if Manuel brings him back for Spurs after only 1 game out it will be a staggering indictment of his judgement. Joe I suspect will continue to pay the price to preserve his crumbling reputation.

[Breks]

clearly Hart should never have been dropped for Pants but if Manuel brings him back for Spurs after only 1 game out it will be a staggering indictment of his judgement. Joe I suspect will continue to pay the price to preserve his crumbling reputation.

1 game?

[johnny crossan]

clearly Hart should never have been dropped for Pants but if Manuel brings him back for Spurs after only 1 game out it will be a staggering indictment of his judgement. Joe I suspect will continue to pay the price to preserve his crumbling reputation.

1 game?

sorry 2 - we'd all like to forget Sunderland I'm sure

[Herb]

[quote="Rag_hater]

Your fixation of the fact that Joe has done a advert and your constant jibes at people accusing them of having man love for him seem a bit disturbing.
Anyway have a bit of your own medicine:
Watch this and have a wank

Dear me Raggy, I've touched a raw nerve there haven't I? . . what's with the sudden talk of fixations, your repeating the line about man love, and then giving me something that you think I should wank over??
I'm not going to respond in full to your pseudo homo-erotic chat room chat-up,because it's just your perverse fantasy getting out of hand, but I do think that you've got a deeply disturbing underlying issue and that you should seek help.

That's all folks - move along now.

[Rag_hater]

[quote="Rag_hater]

Your fixation of the fact that Joe has done a advert and your constant jibes at people accusing them of having man love for him seem a bit disturbing.
Anyway have a bit of your own medicine:
Watch this and have a wank

Dear me Raggy, I've touched a raw nerve there haven't I . . sudden talk of fixations, repeating the line about man love, and then giving me something that you think I should wank over??
I'm not going to respond in full to your pseudo homo-erotic ,because it's just your perverse fantasy getting out of hand, but I do think that you've got a deeply disturbing underlying issue and that you should seek help.

That's all folks - move along now.[/quote]

What a load of bollocks,just A drop or truth in an ocean of lies.

[Herb]

[quote="Rag_hater]

Your fixation of the fact that Joe has done a advert and your constant jibes at people accusing them of having man love for him seem a bit disturbing.
Anyway have a bit of your own medicine:
Watch this and have a wank

Dear me Raggy, I've touched a raw nerve there haven't I . . sudden talk of fixations, repeating the line about man love, and then giving me something that you think I should wank over??
I'm not going to respond in full to your pseudo homo-erotic ,because it's just your perverse fantasy getting out of hand, but I do think that you've got a deeply disturbing underlying issue and that you should seek help.

That's all folks - move along now.[/quote][/quote]

What a load of bollocks,just A drop or truth in an ocean of lies.[/quote]

Jeezus Raggy, you're priceless mate - just had me helpless with laughter!

My hat's off to you for gifting the pure gold of your comic genius with such wanton generosity. I'm truly humbled.

[Herb]

PS. I've fixed it for you Raggy - is that better?

[clippo22]

Just an idea, but does anyone think that maybe costel is in the 'shop-window' until January? We sign Julio Cesar and ship out costel and let Joe work with an experienced keeper?

Not sure it's true but just a thought