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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:02 pm

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PeterParker wrote:I am curious if we really want him, or we do this because we need english players in our team.

With 40 mil we can get Isco, no questions asked.


Id say its the english thing, we need a minimum of one english player and due to squad restrictions they have to be able to add something to our team and be genuine contenders for our first team every week. Looking at every English player out there, very few fit this criteria, Sterling is prob best of them and most achievable, everyone knows this so we will get bummed on the price, which im ok with to a certain extent.


It's highly unlikely we will have a full 25 man squad come the start of next season, regardless of nationality and age.

If it's a question of 'naming' an English player in a squad list so we can name more foreigners, Sterling still wouldn't count until 2016/17 season. Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......my best guess is Wilshere, although I see Delph was mentioned in the papers this morning.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Tesl » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:18 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......


Not meaning to pick on you but I've a feeling nobody actually understands how the home grown rule actually works.

The rule is not that we need X number of HG players, but instead the limit of non HG players is capped. It sounds like the same thing but its not. It's perfectly fine for us to name a squad with zero HG players, but we are going to be limited to 17 players + youth. Signing more HG players is good for us because they don't take up one of those 17 places.

If Sterling is under 21, he doesn't need to be registered into the squad but we can play him anyway. That means we are effecively buying an extra player who doesn't take up any position in the squad at all. So even better than a 21+ HG player (who would need to be registered in the 25)

My point basically is we don't need to go signing random players to reach some limit. If we bought Sterling, we wouldn't need to go looking for another older HG player so that we reach 8 of them.

The reason I quoted you is because you made it sound like if we buy another HG player that gives us another spot for a foreigner. That is not correct.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Wonderwall » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:31 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I am curious if we really want him, or we do this because we need english players in our team.

With 40 mil we can get Isco, no questions asked.


Id say its the english thing, we need a minimum of one english player and due to squad restrictions they have to be able to add something to our team and be genuine contenders for our first team every week. Looking at every English player out there, very few fit this criteria, Sterling is prob best of them and most achievable, everyone knows this so we will get bummed on the price, which im ok with to a certain extent.


It's highly unlikely we will have a full 25 man squad come the start of next season, regardless of nationality and age.

If it's a question of 'naming' an English player in a squad list so we can name more foreigners, Sterling still wouldn't count until 2016/17 season. Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......my best guess is Wilshere, although I see Delph was mentioned in the papers this morning.


Wilshire has already stated he doesnt want to ,move to a club just to increase their home grown quota. It was a direct quote from last weekend, he is a very talented lad, but a twat who I dont want anywhere near our team. Despicable twat
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:40 pm

Tesl wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......


Not meaning to pick on you but I've a feeling nobody actually understands how the home grown rule actually works.

The rule is not that we need X number of HG players, but instead the limit of non HG players is capped. It sounds like the same thing but its not. It's perfectly fine for us to name a squad with zero HG players, but we are going to be limited to 17 players + youth. Signing more HG players is good for us because they don't take up one of those 17 places.

If Sterling is under 21, he doesn't need to be registered into the squad but we can play him anyway. That means we are effecively buying an extra player who doesn't take up any position in the squad at all. So even better than a 21+ HG player (who would need to be registered in the 25)

My point basically is we don't need to go signing random players to reach some limit. If we bought Sterling, we wouldn't need to go looking for another older HG player so that we reach 8 of them.

The reason I quoted you is because you made it sound like if we buy another HG player that gives us another spot for a foreigner. That is not correct.


You are correct, I have my wires crossed.

Worth considering however, whether the club will be keeping one eye on this proposal which is slated to come in next season if approved:

* A player will have to have been registered with his club from the age of 15 - down from 18 - to qualify as 'home-grown'.
* The minimum number of home-grown players in a club's first-team squad of 25 will increase from eight to 12, phased over four years from 2016.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Dubciteh » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:48 pm

Tesl wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......


Not meaning to pick on you but I've a feeling nobody actually understands how the home grown rule actually works.

The rule is not that we need X number of HG players, but instead the limit of non HG players is capped. It sounds like the same thing but its not. It's perfectly fine for us to name a squad with zero HG players, but we are going to be limited to 17 players + youth. Signing more HG players is good for us because they don't take up one of those 17 places.

If Sterling is under 21, he doesn't need to be registered into the squad but we can play him anyway. That means we are effecively buying an extra player who doesn't take up any position in the squad at all. So even better than a 21+ HG player (who would need to be registered in the 25)

My point basically is we don't need to go signing random players to reach some limit. If we bought Sterling, we wouldn't need to go looking for another older HG player so that we reach 8 of them.

The reason I quoted you is because you made it sound like if we buy another HG player that gives us another spot for a foreigner. That is not correct.


Exactly.

We need a min of 22 players to compete properly for me, 17 of those are foreign plus currently we have clichy and hart as HG players. Our squad is at 19, to make up the other three places we need at least 1HG player and then we can just use our youth(denayer+Lopes) to complete our 22 man squad. But at a min we need one HG player who can make a difference, only option i can see is Sterling.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby phips » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:26 pm

Fabian Delph, really?


i get the sense that Pogba will stay at Juve another year and then move to Barca when their ban is over and he can play for them right away
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby I Just Blue Myself » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:32 pm

22 (including kids!) is an awfully low number with the likes of Jovetic, Aguero and Kompany around, as we've seen last season. We should be looking closer to 25, including kids.

Not saying we should panic buy english dross, but couldn't Trippier do Sagna's job? Looks like he's off to Spurs. And as I said in the other topic, look to replace Caballero with a homegrown number two to trim that non-homegrown fat a bit.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby clippo22 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:33 pm

I Just Blue Myself wrote:22 (including kids!) is an awfully low number with the likes of Jovetic, Aguero and Kompany around, as we've seen last season. We should be looking closer to 25, including kids.

Not saying we should panic buy english dross, but couldn't Trippier do Sagna's job? Looks like he's off to Spurs. And as I said in the other topic, look to replace Caballero with a homegrown number two to trim that non-homegrown fat a bit.


I also thought about trippier, think he would do a much better job than Sagna and he's club trained!
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Dubciteh » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:48 pm

I Just Blue Myself wrote:22 (including kids!) is an awfully low number with the likes of Jovetic, Aguero and Kompany around, as we've seen last season. We should be looking closer to 25, including kids.

Not saying we should panic buy english dross, but couldn't Trippier do Sagna's job? Looks like he's off to Spurs. And as I said in the other topic, look to replace Caballero with a homegrown number two to trim that non-homegrown fat a bit.


22 is golden number for me, thats two for every position, will be 23 if you include Wright, then if worse case scenario fill the bench with kids, barker, angelino when back maffeo etc but you wont find a bigger squad in the league i dont believe.

Thing about Trippier or anyone for Sagna, is that he only has one year left(i think) and im sure we have earmarked one of the kids for that role, a signing there just blocks that path.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Wonderwall » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:50 pm

Dubciteh wrote:
I Just Blue Myself wrote:22 (including kids!) is an awfully low number with the likes of Jovetic, Aguero and Kompany around, as we've seen last season. We should be looking closer to 25, including kids.

Not saying we should panic buy english dross, but couldn't Trippier do Sagna's job? Looks like he's off to Spurs. And as I said in the other topic, look to replace Caballero with a homegrown number two to trim that non-homegrown fat a bit.


22 is golden number for me, thats two for every position, will be 23 if you include Wright, then if worse case scenario fill the bench with kids, barker, angelino when back maffeo etc but you wont find a bigger squad in the league i dont believe.

Thing about Trippier or anyone for Sagna, is that he only has one year left(i think) and im sure we have earmarked one of the kids for that role, a signing there just blocks that path.


the year before last (as we had our restrictions last year) we had a squad of 25 players and only used 19 I think, it might have been 21 players at a push but I am sure it was 19. I dont see the need for the magic 25, I think 22 is a good call
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Hazy2 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:32 pm

clippo22 wrote:
I Just Blue Myself wrote:22 (including kids!) is an awfully low number with the likes of Jovetic, Aguero and Kompany around, as we've seen last season. We should be looking closer to 25, including kids.

Not saying we should panic buy english dross, but couldn't Trippier do Sagna's job? Looks like he's off to Spurs. And as I said in the other topic, look to replace Caballero with a homegrown number two to trim that non-homegrown fat a bit.


I also thought about trippier, think he would do a much better job than Sagna and he's club trained!


No clause inserted, should be standard, plus he looked decent enough.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Dameerto » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:36 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I am curious if we really want him, or we do this because we need english players in our team.

With 40 mil we can get Isco, no questions asked.


Id say its the english thing, we need a minimum of one english player and due to squad restrictions they have to be able to add something to our team and be genuine contenders for our first team every week. Looking at every English player out there, very few fit this criteria, Sterling is prob best of them and most achievable, everyone knows this so we will get bummed on the price, which im ok with to a certain extent.


It's highly unlikely we will have a full 25 man squad come the start of next season, regardless of nationality and age.

If it's a question of 'naming' an English player in a squad list so we can name more foreigners, Sterling still wouldn't count until 2016/17 season. Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......my best guess is Wilshere, although I see Delph was mentioned in the papers this morning.


Wilshire has already stated he doesnt want to ,move to a club just to increase their home grown quota. It was a direct quote from last weekend, he is a very talented lad, but a twat who I dont want anywhere near our team. Despicable twat

I don't want him anywhere near City either - we need to be bringing in model professionals not chainsmoking gobshites.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Nigels Tackle » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:23 pm

Dameerto wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I am curious if we really want him, or we do this because we need english players in our team.

With 40 mil we can get Isco, no questions asked.


Id say its the english thing, we need a minimum of one english player and due to squad restrictions they have to be able to add something to our team and be genuine contenders for our first team every week. Looking at every English player out there, very few fit this criteria, Sterling is prob best of them and most achievable, everyone knows this so we will get bummed on the price, which im ok with to a certain extent.


It's highly unlikely we will have a full 25 man squad come the start of next season, regardless of nationality and age.

If it's a question of 'naming' an English player in a squad list so we can name more foreigners, Sterling still wouldn't count until 2016/17 season. Which begs the question, which English player over the age of 21 are we going to sign this season......my best guess is Wilshere, although I see Delph was mentioned in the papers this morning.


Wilshire has already stated he doesnt want to ,move to a club just to increase their home grown quota. It was a direct quote from last weekend, he is a very talented lad, but a twat who I dont want anywhere near our team. Despicable twat

I don't want him anywhere near City either - we need to be bringing in model professionalsnot chainsmoking gobshites.


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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:41 pm

A Spanish Judge has apparently ordered all bidders for Neymar, including City!, to disclose their bids to see whether Barcelona underpaid or not. I don't quite see how the Judge can enforce this but still.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby City64 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:47 pm

Anyone else get the feeling the English media don't want us to get Pogba , the slimy cunts keep throwing all sorts of shit around ie Barca and Madrid !!!!
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:59 pm

I think the shit here is aimed at Barca, not us. Goal reporting that City have agreed to let Jovetic go to Inter on a one season loan with obligation to buy. They have not agreed a fee with City wanting 18 million pounds and Inter offering 13.5 million.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:09 pm

PA reporting Liverpool have rejected our offer for Sterling. Unless it's clear we're talking fine details I think we should walk and leave the dippers with an unhappy player. They won't want this to drag on because if they do sell they'll want time to spend the money.
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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby blues2win » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:28 pm

Here's the link to the Court case in Spain. Amazing stuff.

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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:47 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I am curious if we really want him, or we do this because we need english players in our team.

With 40 mil we can get Isco, no questions asked.


Id say its the english thing, we need a minimum of one english player and due to squad restrictions they have to be able to add something to our team and be genuine contenders for our first team every week. Looking at every English player out there, very few fit this criteria, Sterling is prob best of them and most achievable, everyone knows this so we will get bummed on the price, which im ok with to a certain extent.


But this is wrong, if you ask me, I would give some local kids a chance, rather than spend that money on a player like Sterling who looks like a proper cunt.

Again, it seems like we are spending so much money on the wrong players.


Sterling isn't at all the wrong player in my mind.

We've got a fucking mack truck No 9 and if we add Sterling we'll have a tiny jamaican greyhound who's got way more dribbling skill than Navas. Let teams stand in two fucking lines of cunts against having those two on the pitch instead of Navas and some midget fucker who's toiling around a land of giants trying to find space to work.

i think he's exactly the kind of player we need to take things to the next level and offer something different, and obvs the Count thinks so as well or we wouldn't be bidding 40 fucking million for him, no matter what his nationality is.

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Re: Summer transfer thread

Postby Saul Goodman » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:24 pm

blues2win wrote:Goal reporting that City have agreed to let Jovetic go to Inter on a one season loan with obligation to buy. They have not agreed a fee with City wanting 18 million pounds and Inter offering 13.5 million.

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