When will we trust in Pep

[PeterParker]

What's loyalty got to do with questioning Peps suicidal selection??

Zidane is an average manager at best, Played his best side, kept it simple and won the fucker 3 times, no magic, no genius formations and selection.

I don't agree he's been average. Won the league a few times with them, including last year when he came during the season to fix the team. Won almost every important derby with Barcelona.
At the moment he is one of the best head coaches out there, but needs to prove himself outside Madrid.

[Outcast]

What's loyalty got to do with questioning Peps suicidal selection??

Zidane is an average manager at best, Played his best side, kept it simple and won the fucker 3 times, no magic, no genius formations and selection.

I don't agree he's been average. Won the league a few times with them, including last year when he came during the season to fix the team. Won almost every important derby with Barcelona.
At the moment he is one of the best head coaches out there, but needs to prove himself outside Madrid.[/quot

Would you have him over Pep here? Do you think he'll get more out of our players?

[PeterParker]

What's loyalty got to do with questioning Peps suicidal selection??

Zidane is an average manager at best, Played his best side, kept it simple and won the fucker 3 times, no magic, no genius formations and selection.

I don't agree he's been average. Won the league a few times with them, including last year when he came during the season to fix the team. Won almost every important derby with Barcelona.
At the moment he is one of the best head coaches out there, but needs to prove himself outside Madrid.[/quot

Would you have him over Pep here? Do you think he'll get more out of our players?

No, I want Pep to stay, even if he does my head in. But I like what I've seen from Zidane, but he did it for a team that was never robbed or had an important decision going against him. I remember his masterclass in the UCL final vs Kloppo.
People put it on Karius, but Real was brilliant on that day and I really can't remember fuckups in big games.

[Outcast]

What's loyalty got to do with questioning Peps suicidal selection??

Zidane is an average manager at best, Played his best side, kept it simple and won the fucker 3 times, no magic, no genius formations and selection.

I don't agree he's been average. Won the league a few times with them, including last year when he came during the season to fix the team. Won almost every important derby with Barcelona.
At the moment he is one of the best head coaches out there, but needs to prove himself outside Madrid.[/quot

Would you have him over Pep here? Do you think he'll get more out of our players?

No, I want Pep to stay, even if he does my head in. But I like what I've seen from Zidane, but he did it for a team that was never robbed or had an important decision going against him. I remember his masterclass in the UCL final vs Kloppo.
People put it on Karius, but Real was brilliant on that day and I really can't remember fuckups in big games.

Neither do I but don't think can take another brainfart selection in another final

[PeterParker]

What's loyalty got to do with questioning Peps suicidal selection??

Zidane is an average manager at best, Played his best side, kept it simple and won the fucker 3 times, no magic, no genius formations and selection.

I don't agree he's been average. Won the league a few times with them, including last year when he came during the season to fix the team. Won almost every important derby with Barcelona.
At the moment he is one of the best head coaches out there, but needs to prove himself outside Madrid.[/quot

Would you have him over Pep here? Do you think he'll get more out of our players?

No, I want Pep to stay, even if he does my head in. But I like what I've seen from Zidane, but he did it for a team that was never robbed or had an important decision going against him. I remember his masterclass in the UCL final vs Kloppo.
People put it on Karius, but Real was brilliant on that day and I really can't remember fuckups in big games.

Neither do I but don't think can take another brainfart selection in another final

Feel you, brother.
It's like shagging Monica Bellucci. Fantastic shag all around, but deep down you know she is mental.

[linwood]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

[nottsblue]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

[linwood]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Why is it on Pep and not the individuals who messed up? Would Rodri/Fernandinho have stopped that happening?

[nottsblue]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Why is it on Pep and not the individuals who messed up? Would Rodri/Fernandinho have stopped that happening?

The Chelsea goal wasn't on Pep. At least in my view. Hence my posting the three players directly at fault IMO and suggesting it's on the players

[linwood]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Why is it on Pep and not the individuals who messed up? Would Rodri/Fernandinho have stopped that happening?

The Chelsea goal wasn't on Pep. At least in my view. Hence my posting the three players directly at fault IMO and suggesting it's on the players

Good, we agree then.

Back to the wider point. Quite a few people seem to think we lost because Sterling played instead of Rodri or fernandinho, which unfortunately I don't think was the case. Personally I wouldn't have started sterling but I'm happy to concede our manager knows better than me.

We lost because of individual errors leading to their goal, Kdb getting assaulted, Kantes almost super human performance, Chelsea playing to their limit and a bit of bad luck.

[Dubciteh]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

We were lucky it was only one. They had so many chances. All coming from this new shape and lack of dm and its all on pep. All of it.

[PeterParker]

Not really read too much about the game but I haven't seen much mentioned about the goal. Ederson fucked up massively in my eyes and left an open goal. Or am I being too harsh?

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Why is it on Pep and not the individuals who messed up? Would Rodri/Fernandinho have stopped that happening?

The Chelsea goal wasn't on Pep. At least in my view. Hence my posting the three players directly at fault IMO and suggesting it's on the players

Good, we agree then.

Back to the wider point. Quite a few people seem to think we lost because Sterling played instead of Rodri or fernandinho, which unfortunately I don't think was the case. Personally I wouldn't have started sterling but I'm happy to concede our manager knows better than me.

We lost because of individual errors leading to their goal, Kdb getting assaulted, Kantes almost super human performance, Chelsea playing to their limit and a bit of bad luck.

if our manager showed anything is that he knows fuck all.

[linwood]

Quite a statement. I'm not going to repeat my previous post but I stand by those opinions.

Either you or Pep knows fuck all.

[PeterParker]

Pep.

[nottsblue]

No.
It was a defensive calamity
Stones went AWOL leaving a savage gap the through the middle
Zinchenko didn’t follow his man
And Ederson rushed out of area like a madman and was actually rather fortuitous not to get a red card.

A defensive howler like we haven’t seen for a good long time. In the biggest match. That’s on the players, not Pep

Why is it on Pep and not the individuals who messed up? Would Rodri/Fernandinho have stopped that happening?

The Chelsea goal wasn't on Pep. At least in my view. Hence my posting the three players directly at fault IMO and suggesting it's on the players

Good, we agree then.

Back to the wider point. Quite a few people seem to think we lost because Sterling played instead of Rodri or fernandinho, which unfortunately I don't think was the case. Personally I wouldn't have started sterling but I'm happy to concede our manager knows better than me.

We lost because of individual errors leading to their goal, Kdb getting assaulted, Kantes almost super human performance, Chelsea playing to their limit and a bit of bad luck.

if our manager showed anything is that he knows fuck all.

Give over. There is being annoyed, pissed off, feeling numb, let down, call it what you will.

But to say the most successful manager in our history knows fuck all is just plain stupid and and quite blatantly wrong. Should he have done things differently? With hindsight, of course. Would he do things differently if he could get in his Delorean and go back in time? Only he knows.

But for a poor bit of control by Sterling after a couple of minutes or a great block by Rudiger from Fodens effort we go in front and it’s a different ball game. But we didn’t and the result turned out the way it did. It was incredibly disappointing for numerous reasons and I will always maintain it’s as much down to the players on the field who put in poor performances as it is the manager.

IMO it’s incredibly disrespectful to say he knows fuck all

[sheblue]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

[PeterParker]

Give over. There is being annoyed, pissed off, feeling numb, let down, call it what you will.

But to say the most successful manager in our history knows fuck all is just plain stupid and and quite blatantly wrong. Should he have done things differently? With hindsight, of course. Would he do things differently if he could get in his Delorean and go back in time? Only he knows.

But for a poor bit of control by Sterling after a couple of minutes or a great block by Rudiger from Fodens effort we go in front and it’s a different ball game. But we didn’t and the result turned out the way it did. It was incredibly disappointing for numerous reasons and I will always maintain it’s as much down to the players on the field who put in poor performances as it is the manager.

IMO it’s incredibly disrespectful to say he knows fuck all

I am taking the piss, Notts.
Last night he knew fuckall, but in general he is ok when he is lucid.

[linwood]

Pep.

Is that short for Peter Parker?

[nottsblue]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

If he had put out an inexperienced, young side I would totally agree with you. But it wasn’t. It was our first choice back 5. And barring Sterling for a DM it’s our best side. Who are incredibly experienced, talented, adaptable players who should have done better

[Cotswoldknight]

Bullshit blaming the players. It was the manager who upset the whole dynamic and rhythm of a winning team.
The players were clearly unhappy, just look at Fern when he came on he was raging.
It was like going into a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.
Disgraceful management. Apologies to the blue specs brigade, bit that's the only way to describe it.

Agree with everything you say, if Dinho or Rodri had started they would have seen the gap and filled it and stopped Chelsea scoring. Pep fucked up big time and it’s not the first time he’s done it, no doubt it will be the same next season