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Mase wrote:Big well done to Colin Bell for bringing more attention to the situation. Just what we needed mate!
Ah well, at least you've probably lined your pockets with a few quid for doing the interview.

Im_Spartacus wrote:With all due respect to Colin Bell, he knows the survivors personally, and he most likely knew or at least knew of some of the less fortunate. I respect that he feels "Munich" should not be sung in a terrace chant, because to him I can see how he would find it offensive - as no doubt the thought crossed his mind as he was on an international flight with his club/country team-mates.

My view differs though, and ultimately it is about a person's perspective of United, and what I see during my lifetime, is the way that the rags have shamelessly and tirelessly exploited the death of these people to maximise media exposure, to ensure a continuous stream of sympathy from the wider world in general - plus the very people who shout the loudest about City fans using the term know absoutely nothing about the facts of the event and aftermath. They seem to believe that having had a tragedy 50 years ago elevates them to a level where they deserve respect and admiration because of this fact alone.

This is the very point I made on Tuesday to a group of rags who were discussing City fans in the pub. I never tried to justify the use of the term, yet the bile I got hurled back at me with their twisted and contorted faces reinforced my point exactly. The very suggestion that the club try to cash in is greeted with abuse - despite the clear evidence of "Munich day sponsored by AIG" incident amongst others.

To most United fans, and in fact to most living people, the actual events of Munich are as relevant to them as a fairy story, and their understanding of it is limited to the fact that some very good people died. The total and utter refusal to admit that without Munich, Manchester United would not be the global force they are today is the biggest show of disrespect to the dead - and it is the United fans who commit that sin by not accepting the Munich disaster defined their club.


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Well said mate.

If Munich defined their club, I therefore see no issue with defining a United fan as a Munich - it is not disrespectful to the dead in any way shape of form, it is disrespectful to their fans, and that is the entire point.

saulman wrote:

Mase wrote:Big well done to Colin Bell for bringing more attention to the situation. Just what we needed mate!
Ah well, at least you've probably lined your pockets with a few quid for doing the interview.

Seriously?

twosips wrote:But it isn't the minority anymore though is it

There's several thousand who sing it. It's very very audible.

twosips wrote:No? Cos there's nowt wrong with that. Where there is something wrong with constantly referencing a tragedy just to piss people off.

twosips wrote:No? Cos there's nowt wrong with that. Where there is something wrong with constantly referencing a tragedy just to piss people off.

'PC lot' - yeah, i'm a right stick in the mud me. I don't think its funny to use people dying as a reason to make digs at people. I'm SO boring and pc.

Im_Spartacus wrote: you choose to take the viewpoint that we are "using people dying as a reason to make digs at people", despite being told countless times that isnt the case.

If you choose to ignore other people's views, move on, we all know and respect yours.

Im_Spartacus wrote:With all due respect to Colin Bell, he knows the survivors personally, and he most likely knew or at least knew of some of the less fortunate. I respect that he feels "Munich" should not be sung in a terrace chant, because to him I can see how he would find it offensive - as no doubt the thought crossed his mind as he was on an international flight with his club/country team-mates.

My view differs though, and ultimately it is about a person's perspective of United, and what I see during my lifetime, is the way that the rags have shamelessly and tirelessly exploited the death of these people to maximise media exposure, to ensure a continuous stream of sympathy from the wider world in general - plus the very people who shout the loudest about City fans using the term know absoutely nothing about the facts of the event and aftermath. They seem to believe that having had a tragedy 50 years ago elevates them to a level where they deserve respect and admiration because of this fact alone.

This is the very point I made on Tuesday to a group of rags who were discussing City fans in the pub. I never tried to justify the use of the term, yet the bile I got hurled back at me with their twisted and contorted faces reinforced my point exactly. The very suggestion that the club try to cash in is greeted with abuse - despite the clear evidence of "Munich day sponsored by AIG" incident amongst others.

To most United fans, and in fact to most living people, the actual events of Munich are as relevant to them as a fairy story, and their understanding of it is limited to the fact that some very good people died. The total and utter refusal to admit that without Munich, Manchester United would not be the global force they are today is the biggest show of disrespect to the dead - and it is the United fans who commit that sin by not accepting the Munich disaster defined their club.

If Munich defined their club, I therefore see no issue with defining a United fan as a Munich - it is not disrespectful to the dead in any way shape of form, it is disrespectful to their fans, and that is the entire point.

twosips wrote:Exactly!

Though we all know its cos it gets the biggest reaction. I get the reasoning, but i'm almost certain the vast majority of people who sing Munich don't have some agenda like that - they just sing it cos they know it'll piss off United...for every one person like yourself, spartacus, i'm almost certain that there will be hundreds who just sing it for kicks.

1950 wrote:It's all well & good reasoning with the milking of the crash, but why use the word 'munich'? Why not call them hypocrites, profiteers, sing songs about them cashing in on a horrible tragedy instead? Why does it have to be a term which is bound to be misinterpreted by the general public for mockery of dead people? Why is that one word so important to some people that they would risk dragging the club's name through the dirt for? It's not even clever or witty or whatever, it just happens to be the place where 23 people lost their lives. I don't get it.