Edin Dzeko

[Grob]

A £27 million target man in a team that doesn't play to the target man's strenths.

That he's often easily bullied into his shell by center halves for a player with his size and strength makes me angry.

As we saw on Wednesday and last Monday though, if we deliver well from wide areas, he will find the net regulally.

I don't buy the notion he's purely a confidence player. A strikers confidence level dicates where he attempts to score from or the positions he puts himself in. Not whether or not his touch falls to pieces like Edin's sometimes does.

He's not really cut out for the type of football we play at the end of the day, I would sell in the summer and buy a player who is more tailored to our game.

That's a much more succinct way of saying what I've been trying to explain for about 100 lines! It's not always the case though; sometimes he does fight & then he's brilliant.

That's what flustrates me most about him, the fact that he only stands up for himself when he fancies it. Samir's like that too but he has far more ability than Dzeko and is a much smaller frame so i'll give him more of a chance.

[Im_Spartacus]

I'm almost questioning why we bought Dzeko at the same level as why we bought RSC under Hughes.

No doubting Dzeko is the better player, but the same question persists with Dzeko as it did with RSC, why buy a player like that and drill the ball at his head/chest with his back to goal or put him on the wing. He is a quality, if a little inconsistent, player as I believe RSC is/was when played in a particular role. But we buy a player like that and almost hang them out to dry, expecting them to play in a way that just isnt them.

It might be an extreme example, but asking Dzeko/RSC to get the ball to feet and play others in is akin to putting Merlin in De Jong's role. Yes he is a midfielder, and a good one, but he does what he does and we wouldnt go to town on him if he was played in a role he is not suited to.

Most annoying with Dzeko though (and this isnt his fault) is that if he is there to win the header from goal kicks and clearances with his height, why are we never, ever ready for the 2nd ball when he wins it.

[Socrates]

A £27 million target man in a team that doesn't play to the target man's strenths.

That he's often easily bullied into his shell by center halves for a player with his size and strength makes me angry.

As we saw on Wednesday and last Monday though, if we deliver well from wide areas, he will find the net regulally.

I don't buy the notion he's purely a confidence player. A strikers confidence level dicates where he attempts to score from or the positions he puts himself in. Not whether or not his touch falls to pieces like Edin's sometimes does.

He's not really cut out for the type of football we play at the end of the day, I would sell in the summer and buy a player who is more tailored to our game.

That's a much more succinct way of saying what I've been trying to explain for about 100 lines! It's not always the case though; sometimes he does fight & then he's brilliant.

That's what flustrates me most about him, the fact that he only stands up for himself when he fancies it. Samir's like that too but he has far more ability than Dzeko and is a much smaller frame so i'll give him more of a chance.

Welcome back Grob, hope you are well? He is too soft for sure, it frustrates me too.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

His biggest weakness is his inconsistent ability to trap a ball. The amount of times the ball bounces straight back off him and the move ends.

[PaulieIrish]

My brother was at the Carling semi - he a dippers supporter. He said Dzeko had a great game and caused them all sorts of problems defensively (guessing a lot of this was off camera). He's also scored 2 in the last 2 games. Given that our supply line hasn't been the greatest of late (Silva a little off form, lack of crosses, etc), maybe he's starting to come good?

He's also a UEFA qualified 'keeper coach, and said that he was honoured to watch Hart from the kop. He said his movement, vision and skill were the best he's ever seen.

[freshie]

One of the most frustrating things about dzeko is how often he gets out-muscled/bullied off the ball for a man of his size. That, allied to his atrocious first touch means that most of the time, when the ball is passed to him the move breaks down. We need him to just hang around the box and to stop coming deep for the ball as he just concedes possession when he does. If we are going to use him purely as a goalscorer and nothing else then fine, but we don't. Too often he is involved in the build up play and messes it up. For those of you think he is a great finisher what the hell happened to him at the stadium of light where he wasted a bucketload of chances? Personally I don't think he is the right centre forward for the type of football we play and don't hold much hope for his future with us. I hope I am proved wrong however

[stommy]

Of course we should put more crosses in. People arguing with that are arguing with Mancini whilst thinking they are supporting him. He said lat week that we are not getting the best out of Dzeko & should be crossing to him.

Instead of blindly trying to kiss Bob's arse & pretend everything is perfect, listen to what he says.

Imo though, a player in his position giving the ball away 50% of the time & barely winning a header in open play like he did v Spurs, [highlight]cannot play for a top club in the Premier League[/highlight]. The days of pure goalcsorers who do nothing else is pretty much over as mainstays of a top team. Dzeko won't put up with just being a sub.

Dzeko has proved he can contribute brilliantly to the general play of the team though. It's down to how hard he tries imo. The goals will come but if we're on the back foot all the time because of him not participating, the goals won't be worth shit & who's to say we couldn't find a better goalscorer who contributes more ?

Bob will not let him do this. He needs to really get stuck in now, whilst Mario is out. This is his big chance to prove himself. He is definitely capable of it, he's proved that.

oh yes he can, but not for this barca wannabe style of play, not alone upfront. when he played for wolfsburg he was league's topscorer when he played with grafite, when McLaren came he put him alone upfront, and what happend....Dzeko wasn't good at all. Imo it will be the best for him and the club if he goes to another club which plays with tactics that suits him more...

[PALUS]

Can someone please put the data somewhere how many games this season Dzeko has played, how much Ballo ,Aguero and see who has score how many goals and assists, how many attempts in the goal and outside the goal and then compare it with any attack in England.
Please....

[mcfc1632]

My brother was at the Carling semi - he a dippers supporter. He said Dzeko had a great game and caused them all sorts of problems defensively (guessing a lot of this was off camera). He's also scored 2 in the last 2 games. Given that our supply line hasn't been the greatest of late (Silva a little off form, lack of crosses, etc), maybe he's starting to come good?

He's also a UEFA qualified 'keeper coach, and said that he was honoured to watch Hart from the kop. He said his movement, vision and skill were the best he's ever seen.

I am not knocking Edin in this post - I do think that he 'might come good' - but I was there and there was nothing 'off-camera' that would suggest that he was doing something that caused problems etc

The words - bag cement of could trap not - rearranged could describe what I see as his main failings - we lose momentum so often

[carl_feedthegoat]

Can someone please put the data somewhere how many games this season Dzeko has played, how much Ballo ,Aguero and see who has score how many goals and assists, how many attempts in the goal and outside the goal and then compare it with any attack in England.
Please....

DZEKO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
18 11 3 65

AGUERO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
21 14 4 72

BALOTELLI
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
15 9 0 44

He is the 7th highest goals and assists player for the 2011/12 season.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_ ... 11-12.html

Some fans need to slap themselves imo....I can understand some having a go at Dzeko for not putting in enough effort now and again but to want him sold..well......the words clueless spring to mind.

[Ted Hughes]

Adebayor 19 9 6 67

[carl_feedthegoat]

Adebayor 19 9 6 67

Adebayor always was an excellent player and his goals ratio was well above average.

Having said that..Adebayor is a twat.

[zuricity]

Those stats should be even more interesting at the end of feb, march and april. spurs have some tough games coming up, whereas we have some 'easy' games.

Suggesting that edin should be sold, or that he is not good enough is absolute rubbish. I hope he is with us for many years to come.

[ant london]

Interesting thread this one in terms of divergence of views. Grob has summed it up best above for me. Dzeko needs to man up when it comes to the physical aspect of the PL. I'd be interested (Doug) to hear how he copes in training. I'm not remotely suggesting that Micah/Joleon/Vincent et al are going easy on him but maybe they need to up their physicality towards him at Carrington to help him get ready for the real thing on match days.

I think he offers a lot on the pitch that said, his interplay with the team (on those days when his touch has reported for duty) is often very high quality. That ball he played for Adam Johnson the other night was top class....ditto the throughball for Silva in the 6-1. He has some great skills in his armoury. I can fully understand why people get frustrated with him but honestly I think frustration can easily be levelled at Silva, Nasri, Johnson, Barry, De Jong, Yaya, Aguero and others for different aspects of their contributions in games this season.

He's an easy target due to his visibility and the impact on his shortfalls but to compare him, as someone did above, even remotely in jest to RSC is absolutely laughable

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Ok, this take a massive fucking bisquit now. People claim Dzeko isn't trying hard enough (absolutely laughable suggestion. if anything he drops deep way too often) and then go on to reference fucking Adebayor! While Adebayor might be massively talented, he is biggest fucking quitter in the game. When he is playing for new contract or transfer, like he is now, he puts effort in but the second he is granted new contract or gets that transfer he stops trying and becomes lazy bastard who still expects to start because.....

Have at least some fucking consistency.

[Socrates]

Ok, this take a massive fucking bisquit now. People claim Dzeko isn't trying hard enough (absolutely laughable suggestion. if anything he drops deep way too often) and then go on to reference fucking Adebayor! While Adebayor might be massively talented, he is biggest fucking quitter in the game. When he is playing for new contract or transfer, like he is now, he puts effort in but the second he is granted new contract or gets that transfer he stops trying and becomes lazy bastard who still expects to start because.....

Have at least some fucking consistency.

Agree that he tries, he is just too soft...

PS *biscuit, it's only Nasri that takes bisquits...

[Ted Hughes]

Ok, this take a massive fucking bisquit now. People claim Dzeko isn't trying hard enough (absolutely laughable suggestion. if anything he drops deep way too often) and then go on to reference fucking Adebayor! While Adebayor might be massively talented, he is biggest fucking quitter in the game. When he is playing for new contract or transfer, like he is now, he puts effort in but the second he is granted new contract or gets that transfer he stops trying and becomes lazy bastard who still expects to start because.....

Have at least some fucking consistency.

Exactly. Yet his contribution statistcally is similar to Dzeko, therefore just saying "oh he scored" or "look how many assists he's got" can be misleading. Dzeko, as Grob & Soccs corrctly say, (not soccs, he's just agreed with you!) gets bullied too often & it's down to how he feels on the day. If he fights back, he plays well, if he lets the bloke bully him, he is shite & when he's shite, he's really utterly diabolically shite & ruins the team, just like Adebayor.

[PALUS]

Can someone please put the data somewhere how many games this season Dzeko has played, how much Ballo ,Aguero and see who has score how many goals and assists, how many attempts in the goal and outside the goal and then compare it with any attack in England.
Please....

DZEKO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
18 11 3 65

AGUERO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
21 14 4 72

BALOTELLI
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
15 9 0 44

He is the 7th highest goals and assists player for the 2011/12 season.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_ ... 11-12.html

Some fans need to slap themselves imo....I can understand some having a go at Dzeko for not putting in enough effort now and again but to want him sold..well......the words clueless spring to mind.

Thanks and now who has the better three strikers in Premiere, yet we all agree that we dont have the best delivery and crosses, i would understand that these figures are not like this but all strikers have bad and good games we have three different attackers ,all are effective at what they do or City could not fight for the title and the team has just created.It will only get bether.

[Ted Hughes]

Can someone please put the data somewhere how many games this season Dzeko has played, how much Ballo ,Aguero and see who has score how many goals and assists, how many attempts in the goal and outside the goal and then compare it with any attack in England.
Please....

DZEKO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
18 11 3 65

AGUERO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
21 14 4 72

BALOTELLI
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
15 9 0 44

He is the 7th highest goals and assists player for the 2011/12 season.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_ ... 11-12.html

Some fans need to slap themselves imo....I can understand some having a go at Dzeko for not putting in enough effort now and again but to want him sold..well......the words clueless spring to mind.

Thanks and now who has the better three strikers in Premiere, yet we all agree that we dont have the best delivery and crosses, i would understand that these figures are not like this but all strikers have bad and good games we have three different attackers ,all are effective at what they do or City could not fight for the title and the team has just created.It will only get bether.

We may not be great at delivering crosses, but we are one of the best attacking teams in Europe, so any decent striker will get a lot of goalscoring opportunities over a season. Imo neither Dzeko nor Aguero are converting as many as they should do at the moment.

[Grob]

Can someone please put the data somewhere how many games this season Dzeko has played, how much Ballo ,Aguero and see who has score how many goals and assists, how many attempts in the goal and outside the goal and then compare it with any attack in England.
Please....

DZEKO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
18 11 3 65

AGUERO
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
21 14 4 72

BALOTELLI
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
15 9 0 44

He is the 7th highest goals and assists player for the 2011/12 season.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_ ... 11-12.html

Some fans need to slap themselves imo....I can understand some having a go at Dzeko for not putting in enough effort now and again but to want him sold..well......the words clueless spring to mind.

Horseface scored a boatload for the scum, never translated into titles though.

Anelka scored 26 for us in a season and we finished 15th one year.

Benjani was in double figures at xmas once.

Anyone who watches City this year would be able to atest that Dzeko often sticks out like a sore thumb with the type of football we play. In a team that plays to his strengths, which ours doesnt, he might have scored double the goals. But if we are not going to change our style of play for him, then why not buy a striker that compliments it?