***city vs cardiff official match thread***

[Ted Hughes]

Being quite close to the action & side on ish & seeing the lousy attempts to defend the first goal by Demichelis & Vinny (let him come inside & shoot ? Really ?), I felt unable to comment on Joe hart's part in the disaster.

Having now just watched it, I can only assume that in the case of those complaining:

A: he shagged your girlfriend/boyfriend

B: you are fucking blind

C: you are partial to hallucinogenic drugs.

From the space Vinny left their player, I would have scored either side of Joe Hart & been absolutely gutted if I didn't. He was fucking hung out to dry by shite defending.

As for the 2nd, MDM shite.

Other than the back 4 & finishing though, I think I agree with the Count that our 1st half was as good as anything we have done.

We did the pressing thing really well in their half, even in the final 3rd & kept stealing the ball. We left our defenders with almost nothing to do (which was still too much for them). On another day the game would have been over by half time.

You do realise that a keeper should never really be beaten on the near post ?

It is fundamental to being a decent keeper to at least have your near post covered ,and force the striker to go across goal.

Not saying he should save it. Simply saying he should not be beaten on his near post that is all. Hart is consistently beaten on his near post. Cardiff obviously did their homework Noone tried to do him on his near post with a speculative effort from distance in the second half

Maybe you don't know as much about football as you think you know. Or maybe you just no fuck all about goal keeping in general to think that being beaten on the near post as consistently as he is ,is good goal keeping.

Cue more abuse from Mr Football Ecyclopedia Ted, Those who disagree fill in the ------------- when you have finished hallucinating lol.

I realise you are quoting stuff you've heard about 'near post' but he actually wasn't beaten at the 'near post' because there was no 'near post' due to the fact that the bloke had either side to aim at.

I am assuming by your comments that you will have no fucking idea what I mean, so I'll leave it at that.

No, I'll give you a clue: 'angles'. As in, there was no 'angle' the bloke was basically taking a fucking penalty and could go either side, so if Joe covered the non existent 'near post' (near to what exactly ?), the geezer just sticks the ball into the other 90% of empty net he's looking straight at.

[zabbadabbado]

Being quite close to the action & side on ish & seeing the lousy attempts to defend the first goal by Demichelis & Vinny (let him come inside & shoot ? Really ?), I felt unable to comment on Joe hart's part in the disaster.

Having now just watched it, I can only assume that in the case of those complaining:

A: he shagged your girlfriend/boyfriend

B: you are fucking blind

C: you are partial to hallucinogenic drugs.

From the space Vinny left their player, I would have scored either side of Joe Hart & been absolutely gutted if I didn't. He was fucking hung out to dry by shite defending.

As for the 2nd, MDM shite.

Other than the back 4 & finishing though, I think I agree with the Count that our 1st half was as good as anything we have done.

We did the pressing thing really well in their half, even in the final 3rd & kept stealing the ball. We left our defenders with almost nothing to do (which was still too much for them). On another day the game would have been over by half time.

You do realise that a keeper should never really be beaten on the near post ?

It is fundamental to being a decent keeper to at least have your near post covered ,and force the striker to go across goal.

Not saying he should save it. Simply saying he should not be beaten on his near post that is all. Hart is consistently beaten on his near post. Cardiff obviously did their homework Noone tried to do him on his near post with a speculative effort from distance in the second half

Maybe you don't know as much about football as you think you know. Or maybe you just no fuck all about goal keeping in general to think that being beaten on the near post as consistently as he is ,is good goal keeping.

Cue more abuse from Mr Football Ecyclopedia Ted, Those who disagree fill in the ------------- when you have finished hallucinating lol.

I realise you are quoting stuff you've heard about 'near post' but he actually wasn't beaten at the 'near post' because there was no 'near post' due to the fact that the bloke had either side to aim at.

I am assuming by your comments that you will have no fucking idea what I mean, so I'll leave it at that.

No, I'll give you a clue: 'angles'. As in, there was no 'angle' the bloke was basically taking a fucking penalty and could go either side, so if Joe covered the non existent 'near post' (near to what exactly ?), the geezer just sticks the ball into the other 90% of empty net he's looking straight at.

The striker is through on goal with only the keeper to beat.

The keeper should not be positioning himself in such a way to make the inside of the near post just as big a target as that at the far post, thus simplifying the option for the striker.

As I said earlier, my gripe is not with the actual goal.

My gripe is with him being consistently being done on his near post. shit positioning.

A keeper should be covering the near post and forcing the striker to go across goal.

For instance David Silva was through on their goal, it looked a certain goal, with a nice bit off football. their keeper covers the near post forcing David to shoot across goal to the far post, not identical situations, given . but the keeper quickly reduces the size off the target to aim at.

Hart is consistently easily beaten on his near post. He is also awful at crosses.

I don't care that he is English, I care only that he is good enough for City. In a tight game against decent opposition Hart inadequacies are easily exposed.

We won 4-2 so it is all good.

[Slim]

If you get beaten at the near post, you can never be entirely without blame.

Give over Slim, the player was in the middle of the box. Demich way too uncommited.

Go fuck yourself in picture form.

[london blue 2]

Go fuck yourself in picture form.

That does look a bit near posty.

[nottsblue]

I don't want to seem ungrateful or anything but I have to say I was a little bit disappointed with the result. I know 3 points is all important and 4 goals is is a good day at the office and we can't keep expecting 4 goals every game but a little bit of me felt underwhelmed. Only a little bit mind. Maybe it was conceding a second late on which just took a little gloss of performance, (and goal difference). It also keeps the notion we are vulnerable at the back going. Maybe it was because I hate the Taffs and was hoping for a spanking, as in 5/6 goals, just to rub Bacons minions face in it. Really irrational I know, but there you go. Just wondered if anyone else was a little flat

[ant london]

I don't want to seem ungrateful or anything but I have to say I was a little bit disappointed with the result. I know 3 points is all important and 4 goals is is a good day at the office and we can't keep expecting 4 goals every game but a little bit of me felt underwhelmed. Only a little bit mind. Maybe it was conceding a second late on which just took a little gloss of performance, (and goal difference). It also keeps the notion we are vulnerable at the back going. Maybe it was because I hate the Taffs and was hoping for a spanking, as in 5/6 goals, just to rub Bacons minions face in it. Really irrational I know, but there you go. Just wondered if anyone else was a little flat

fucking mentalist!

funny

sorry to disappoint but no I was pretty happy TBH. Was a little tense before YaYa scored but very content by the final whistle

[john@staustell]

I don't want to seem ungrateful or anything but I have to say I was a little bit disappointed with the result. I know 3 points is all important and 4 goals is is a good day at the office and we can't keep expecting 4 goals every game but a little bit of me felt underwhelmed. Only a little bit mind. Maybe it was conceding a second late on which just took a little gloss of performance, (and goal difference). It also keeps the notion we are vulnerable at the back going. Maybe it was because I hate the Taffs and was hoping for a spanking, as in 5/6 goals, just to rub Bacons minions face in it. Really irrational I know, but there you go. Just wondered if anyone else was a little flat

fucking mentalist!

funny

sorry to disappoint but no I was pretty happy TBH. Was a little tense before YaYa scored but very content by the final whistle

I know where Notts is coming from - I had a slightly disappointed feel - cant help it!

But I've consoled myself that Cardiff won at Newcastle in the FA cup.

[zuricity]

Go fuck yourself in picture form.

Like i said he's in the middle of the box, not shooting from the side of the box .

If you take the picture from behind him you will see just how much area Joe has to cover for a miss hit.

[Slim]

Go fuck yourself in picture form.

Like i said he's in the middle of the box, not shooting from the side of the box .

If you take the picture from behind him you will see just how much area Joe has to cover for a miss hit.

That word 'middle' you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Breks]

That does look a bit near posty.

I was sat behind the goals and he was beaten near post.

[zuricity]

That word 'middle' you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Like i said from behind the scorer you see the difficulty joe has to cover the near post and the far post on a shot from about 12 yards .so anything he does is pure reaction.

It also looked to me like the shot was miss hit.

[london blue 2]

That does look a bit near posty.

I was sat behind the goals and he was beaten near post.

To be fair I don't think he had much chance as there was a lot to aim at. I think joe tried to anticipate the shot, we all know he's not very good at anticipating stuff.

[Ted Hughes]

That does look a bit near posty.

I was sat behind the goals and he was beaten near post.

To be fair I don't think he had much chance as there was a lot to aim at. I think joe tried to anticipate the shot, we all know he's not very good at anticipating stuff.

The lad is 8 yards from goal with both sides to aim at, he looks like he's going to hit it accross to Joe's right but smacks it past him on the left instead. If Joe dives there & the geezer puts it the other side he's got no fucking chance then either. He's probably got no chance if he dives there it's too fast.

The question should be: "why isn't he shooting from a tight angle on his right foot ?"

The answer would be: "Because Vincent Kompany allowed him to come inside the zone of our six yard box & pick his fucking spot rather than forcing him out so that he had to shoot at an angle or cross the ball".

If Joe Hart gets beaten near post after Vinny has forced the bloke out there, then he deserves shit, not for this. It was in the net in the blink of an eye.

The defending is what people should be moaning about, not Joe Hart just because it's popular to give him shit.

[Slim]

That does look a bit near posty.

I was sat behind the goals and he was beaten near post.

To be fair I don't think he had much chance as there was a lot to aim at. I think joe tried to anticipate the shot, we all know he's not very good at anticipating stuff.

The lad is 8 yards from goal with both sides to aim at, he looks like he's going to hit it accross to Joe's right but smacks it past him on the left instead. If Joe dives there & the geezer puts it the other side he's got no fucking chance then either. He's probably got no chance if he dives there it's too fast.

The question should be: "why isn't he shooting from a tight angle on his right foot ?"

The answer would be: "Because Vincent Kompany allowed him to come inside the zone of our six yard box & pick his fucking spot rather than forcing him out so that he had to shoot at an angle or cross the ball".

If Joe Hart gets beaten near post after Vinny has forced the bloke out there, then he deserves shit, not for this. It was in the net in the blink of an eye.

The defending is what people should be moaning about, not Joe Hart just because it's popular to give him shit.

[Ted Hughes]

Pause this at 2:17 ish & run it through in bits look at the shape of the bloke when he's hitting the ball. Then pause it & look how close the ball is to the post.

http://livefootballvideo.com/highlights ... rdiff-city

He shapes to hit it across & plants it in the bottom corner at an angle to his body movement. Good finish, Joe no fucking chance.

Run it back to 2:16 ish & look at how far he had to go to get inside Vinny. Should have been pushed out to the dead ball line.

[Ted Hughes]

That does look a bit near posty.

I was sat behind the goals and he was beaten near post.

To be fair I don't think he had much chance as there was a lot to aim at. I think joe tried to anticipate the shot, we all know he's not very good at anticipating stuff.

The lad is 8 yards from goal with both sides to aim at, he looks like he's going to hit it accross to Joe's right but smacks it past him on the left instead. If Joe dives there & the geezer puts it the other side he's got no fucking chance then either. He's probably got no chance if he dives there it's too fast.

The question should be: "why isn't he shooting from a tight angle on his right foot ?"

The answer would be: "Because Vincent Kompany allowed him to come inside the zone of our six yard box & pick his fucking spot rather than forcing him out so that he had to shoot at an angle or cross the ball".

If Joe Hart gets beaten near post after Vinny has forced the bloke out there, then he deserves shit, not for this. It was in the net in the blink of an eye.

The defending is what people should be moaning about, not Joe Hart just because it's popular to give him shit.

A sensible & wothwhile addition to the discussion.

Now show us a picture taken through a lens from an angle from the other side of the pitch, to prove your point, rather than a view from behind the ball (which is where I was watching it from, in real life).

Edit:

Oh you already have.

[Slim]

Pause this at 2:17 ish & run it through in bits look at the shape of the bloke when he's hitting the ball. Then pause it & look how close the ball is to the post.

http://livefootballvideo.com/highlights ... rdiff-city

He shapes to hit it across & plants it in the bottom corner at an angle to his body movement. Good finish, Joe no fucking chance.

Run it back to 2:16 ish & look at how far he had to go to get inside Vinny. Should have been pushed out to the dead ball line.

You know I have the game itself and MotD right?

I have seen it from a lot of angles, but what is fundamentally flawed is when you have the picture IN THIS THREAD, and you start with "he was only 8 yards out".

Well that was the first of your mistakes, but I am not explaining this again to people who want to suck Joe's dick. Yes he was sold short by his own defence, yes he probably wouldn't have saved it, but he WAS beaten near post and there were two things he should have done which he didn't.

[Ted Hughes]

Pause this at 2:17 ish & run it through in bits look at the shape of the bloke when he's hitting the ball. Then pause it & look how close the ball is to the post.

http://livefootballvideo.com/highlights ... rdiff-city

He shapes to hit it across & plants it in the bottom corner at an angle to his body movement. Good finish, Joe no fucking chance.

Run it back to 2:16 ish & look at how far he had to go to get inside Vinny. Should have been pushed out to the dead ball line.

You know I have the game itself and MotD right?

I have seen it from a lot of angles, but what is fundamentally flawed is when you have the picture IN THIS THREAD, and you start with "he was only 8 yards out".

Well that was the first of your mistakes, but I am not explaining this again to people who want to suck Joe's dick. Yes he was sold short by his own defence, yes he probably wouldn't have saved it, but he WAS beaten near post and there were two things he should have done which he didn't.

Well if it was 10 yards I apologise.

I've put a video up IN THIS THREAD which is much less misleading than your picture, which is just about the worst angle anyone could possibly pick if you were trying to convey a true impression.

It's unfair to call the 'near post' cliche on that strike because he sells Hart a dummy, & he can easily go either side. It's not a usual 'near post' situation.

Vincent Kompany on the other hand could deal with it by defending as he was taught to as a kid rather than going for the ball with his left side & inviting the bloke inside to score.

[nottsblue]

The fault lies with the defender. In this instance, Kompany, for allowing the forward to cut inside. The goalkeeper would anticipate the defender doing one of 3 things.

1 show him the outside
2 tackle him
3 block for a corner/throw

Hart would not have assumed secret, shite option 4 whereby the defender has an abberation and lets the forward in on goal with a free shot. By then it is too late and the only way its not a goal is if the forward fluffs the chance

[South Stand Balti]

I'm not one for swearing as I think it totally unnecessary but what the fuck is going on? Sis of Fu or any other professional keeper please explain to the numptys on this site that the first goal was not Joes fault. I could have scored from there at the near or far post. He was beaten at his near post.....sounds like they scored from a really tight angle on the dead ball line. I have a wonky eye but I could see that was nt the case. The second goal was poor all round probably as they had all switched off a bit. Seems a bit unfair to pick Joe out.