***Official Stoke Tafia vs Gods Own Matchday Thread***

[phips]

in hopes of avoiding reading this thread so i dont spoil the result, did anyone upload this game, or at least the 2nd half?

[Chopper]

in hopes of avoiding reading this thread so i dont spoil the result, did anyone upload this game, or at least the 2nd half?

Here you go mate.

http://youtu.be/8t-lkWRlnag

[Ted Hughes]

Bollocks.
That was way worse than anything witnessed in league last season. Cardiff too. Hull was about the same as we were in our worst last season.

I can sense an argument about managers here which I'm going to sidestep. However today we were without Kompany and Silva which has always made us look worse.

What I will say is we were pretty poor for most of last season. The title winning season we were brilliant at the start and end of it. Last season there were only a handful of games where we played anything like that (rags away is the only one off the top of my head) and the rest of the time we only saw fluent play for short periods in games.

This season is starting in a very similar pattern, even the pre-season games. Newcastle is the stand out because it wasn't our normal pattern of play.

So two different managers, yet the pattern of play is similar and the way games are going is similar.

So is it the players?

I don't think so but certainly they have to share some of the blame.

Both managers ignored the basics imo & have tried to fuck about with a system which worked instead of consolidating our style & team & then trying to move on. Both have caused the team to play at a lower level than its capabilities by basically being fucking smartarses, rather than concentrating on getting the best out of their players.

Last season was shite glossed over. The league was shite, a shite team won it, Mancini was shite & we were shite.

So far, Pellegrini has been as shite as Mancini was last season, but in a different way.

[phips]

in hopes of avoiding reading this thread so i dont spoil the result, did anyone upload this game, or at least the 2nd half?

Here you go mate.
http://youtu.be/8t-lkWRlnag

way to be a cool guy.

[Chopper]

in hopes of avoiding reading this thread so i dont spoil the result, did anyone upload this game, or at least the 2nd half?

Here you go mate.
http://youtu.be/8t-lkWRlnag

way to be a cool guy.

Dont get cross with me tit breath. Its not my fault you're a fool. You should get with that other pustule florida blew and sniff coke off each others ting tings. You can be Bi Coastal.

Do It

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bollocks.
That was way worse than anything witnessed in league last season. Cardiff too. Hull was about the same as we were in our worst last season.

I can sense an argument about managers here which I'm going to sidestep. However today we were without Kompany and Silva which has always made us look worse.

What I will say is we were pretty poor for most of last season. The title winning season we were brilliant at the start and end of it. Last season there were only a handful of games where we played anything like that (rags away is the only one off the top of my head) and the rest of the time we only saw fluent play for short periods in games.

This season is starting in a very similar pattern, even the pre-season games. Newcastle is the stand out because it wasn't our normal pattern of play.

So two different managers, yet the pattern of play is similar and the way games are going is similar.

So is it the players?

I don't think so but certainly they have to share some of the blame.

Both managers ignored the basics imo & have tried to fuck about with a system which worked instead of consolidating our style & team & then trying to move on. Both have caused the team to play at a lower level than its capabilities by basically being fucking smartarses, rather than concentrating on getting the best out of their players.

Last season was shite glossed over. The league was shite, a shite team won it, Mancini was shite & we were shite.

So far, Pellegrini has been as shite as Mancini was last season, but in a different way.

Yeah, in a way that will not take us to any cup final or second place finish. That's certainly different sort of shit.

[phips]

in hopes of avoiding reading this thread so i dont spoil the result, did anyone upload this game, or at least the 2nd half?

Here you go mate.
http://youtu.be/8t-lkWRlnag

way to be a cool guy.

Dont get cross with me tit breath. Its not my fault you're a fool. You should get with that other pustule florida blew and sniff coke off each others ting tings. You can be Bi Coastal.
Do It

i feel sorry for you.

[Beefymcfc]

And the good news is that we will sit comfortably in 4th for the week and still above the Rags ;-)

[clawbaggio]

But the Rags and Chelski have had tougher games than us.
When those fixtures were announced I was expecting us to be top of the league with max points by now and the Rags floundering in the bottom half of the table.
What happened after that Newcastle game?

[Ted Hughes]

Bollocks.
That was way worse than anything witnessed in league last season. Cardiff too. Hull was about the same as we were in our worst last season.

I can sense an argument about managers here which I'm going to sidestep. However today we were without Kompany and Silva which has always made us look worse.

What I will say is we were pretty poor for most of last season. The title winning season we were brilliant at the start and end of it. Last season there were only a handful of games where we played anything like that (rags away is the only one off the top of my head) and the rest of the time we only saw fluent play for short periods in games.

This season is starting in a very similar pattern, even the pre-season games. Newcastle is the stand out because it wasn't our normal pattern of play.

So two different managers, yet the pattern of play is similar and the way games are going is similar.

So is it the players?

I don't think so but certainly they have to share some of the blame.

Both managers ignored the basics imo & have tried to fuck about with a system which worked instead of consolidating our style & team & then trying to move on. Both have caused the team to play at a lower level than its capabilities by basically being fucking smartarses, rather than concentrating on getting the best out of their players.

Last season was shite glossed over. The league was shite, a shite team won it, Mancini was shite & we were shite.

So far, Pellegrini has been as shite as Mancini was last season, but in a different way.

Yeah, in a way that will not take us to any cup final or second place finish. That's certainly different sort of shit.

Shortly after seeing us totally outplayed by Wigan on our own pitch & Mancini having a tactical meltdown, I actually decided to leave the board for a period because I thought we were going to get beat in the Cup final, & I didn't want to spoil people's runup to the big game by discussing it .

That was because Mancini had gone completely to shit & the team was clearly falling apart.

If he had started this season like that, with a much stronger Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool to contend with, he would have been gone by Christmas. Imo, last season's team would be lucky to get top 4 this season, the standard of opposition has improved hugely.

So no, I'm not fully confident the Count will finish 2nd & get to a cup final, but I don't believe Bob would have got anywhere near either.

I am not writing off the Count though; I think he will improve things during the season, & if we can stay in thouch with the top teams anything is possible.

Mancini's team from the start & finish of two seasons ago, would win the league by a mile, but that team without Kompany in it & then losing Lescott as well, would miss top 4 possibly top 5 this season. That team was also dire in the middle phase but had only Utd as competition.

[Beefymcfc]

Ted, the run-up to that Cup Final was a farce and left us in a position where we'd lost before the game had started. There is plenty of talk that he'd completely lost the dressing room yet we are now hearing from many of the players that there weren't any problems. I suppose it's for a different thread so I won't get into that.

As for this season, we have played 2 promoted teams and 2 that I believe to be mid-table at best. Contrast that to the likes of the Rags, Chelsea, Arsenal et al who have all played at least one game against arguably the top 6 teams. As mentioned above your post, the Rags have played Liverpool and Chelsea already yet they are on the same points as us.

The most worrying thing is the state of our play, it's in total disarray and our players look like they have no motivation at all. Looking at a couple of them yesterday, they were totally lost with what they were supposed to be doing. Yaya sat at the back as if he'd been told not to leave the defence, Kolarov and Zab's not getting forward as they once did and the 3 elements that make up a team all seemingly playing as separate entities, it looks a complete mess.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect us to go to play any team and beat them but at least we should be showing ourselves. Hopefully it's just growing pains and we bring ourselves up for the Rags match. At least that will be a test for the players, who many say are the best set in the league.

[Blue Since 76]

I don't think so but certainly they have to share some of the blame.

Both managers ignored the basics imo & have tried to fuck about with a system which worked instead of consolidating our style & team & then trying to move on. Both have caused the team to play at a lower level than its capabilities by basically being fucking smartarses, rather than concentrating on getting the best out of their players.

Last season was shite glossed over. The league was shite, a shite team won it, Mancini was shite & we were shite.

So far, Pellegrini has been as shite as Mancini was last season, but in a different way.

Ignoring formations and tactics, I don't think the players enjoyed themselves last season. They rarely smiled on the pitch and a lot of the buzz had gone. Maybe it was the pressure of being champions, maybe it was the atmosphere Mancini created, who knows.

With the team we've got, just letting them out and enjoy themselves should beat half the other teams. Against Newcastle, it looked like it was back - we were quick, flashy, arrogant and took them apart. Since then it looks like they've been told that if they make one mistake, someone will shoot their dog.

Two good wins this week and the confidence will be back and who knows. But two poor results and they just don't look mentally capable of getting out of a rut which has been around for months.

[Ted Hughes]

Ted, the run-up to that Cup Final was a farce and left us in a position where we'd lost before the game had started. There is plenty of talk that he'd completely lost the dressing room yet we are now hearing from many of the players that there weren't any problems. I suppose it's for a different thread so I won't get into that.

As for this season, we have played 2 promoted teams and 2 that I believe to be mid-table at best. Contrast that to the likes of the Rags, Chelsea, Arsenal et al who have all played at least one game against arguably the top 6 teams. As mentioned above your post, the Rags have played Liverpool and Chelsea already yet they are on the same points as us.

The most worrying thing is the state of our play, it's in total disarray and our players look like they have no motivation at all. Looking at a couple of them yesterday, they were totally lost with what they were supposed to be doing. Yaya sat at the back as if he'd been told not to leave the defence, Kolarov and Zab's not getting forward as they once did and the 3 elements that make up a team all seemingly playing as separate entities, it looks a complete mess.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect us to go to play any team and beat them but at least we should be showing ourselves. Hopefully it's just growing pains and we bring ourselves up for the Rags match. At least that will be a test for the players, who many say are the best set in the league.

David Platt was asked about the rumours re Mancini & the players & pretty much admitted it. Said it's his method for success & that's how he operates.

Imo, last season was a mess & this season is a mess.

Until the later stages of last season, I still kind of believed Mancini would get us back on track, so we would start this season properly & come good again. But I was pretty sure he'd blown the title by Christmas. I was wrong about Mancini; he got worse & I think he would have been a complete disaster this season.

I also now believe the Count will start to pull this lot together, possibly by reigning in some of his tactical ideas, in order to get results. I may be wrong about that too, in which case he will head for the same dole office as Mancini.

If so fair enough; but I wouldn't want either back.

[Beefymcfc]

Ted, the run-up to that Cup Final was a farce and left us in a position where we'd lost before the game had started. There is plenty of talk that he'd completely lost the dressing room yet we are now hearing from many of the players that there weren't any problems. I suppose it's for a different thread so I won't get into that.

As for this season, we have played 2 promoted teams and 2 that I believe to be mid-table at best. Contrast that to the likes of the Rags, Chelsea, Arsenal et al who have all played at least one game against arguably the top 6 teams. As mentioned above your post, the Rags have played Liverpool and Chelsea already yet they are on the same points as us.

The most worrying thing is the state of our play, it's in total disarray and our players look like they have no motivation at all. Looking at a couple of them yesterday, they were totally lost with what they were supposed to be doing. Yaya sat at the back as if he'd been told not to leave the defence, Kolarov and Zab's not getting forward as they once did and the 3 elements that make up a team all seemingly playing as separate entities, it looks a complete mess.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect us to go to play any team and beat them but at least we should be showing ourselves. Hopefully it's just growing pains and we bring ourselves up for the Rags match. At least that will be a test for the players, who many say are the best set in the league.

David Platt was asked about the rumours re Mancini & the players & pretty much admitted it. Said it's his method for success & that's how he operates.

Imo, last season was a mess & this season is a mess.

Until the later stages of last season, I still kind of believed Mancini would get us back on track, so we would start this season properly & come good again. But I was pretty sure he'd blown the title by Christmas. I was wrong about Mancini; he got worse & I think he would have been a complete disaster this season.

I also now believe the Count will start to pull this lot together, possibly by reigning in some of his tactical ideas, in order to get results. I may be wrong about that too, in which case he will head for the same dole office as Mancini.

If so fair enough; but I wouldn't want either back.

Fucking hell Ted, that's nearly as bad as the journo's. Platt didn't admit it atall, he merely stated that it was the way Mancini worked; he was driven and wanted everybody with the same mentality. At no point did he say that he'd lost the dressing room.

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

Beefy mate, just to go off on a slight tangent.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying about our performances this season, but I can't help notice a degree of double standards.
Last season we played games which were equally as shit as yesterday if not worse yet you defended Mancini to the death and always 'had his back' and were always willing to make excuses for the failings. Yet with Pellegrini you seem to have no problems in slating him for the same mistakes.

You can't have it both ways. I criticized Manicni a hell of a lot last season when he fucked up but I've also criticized the Count for his mistakes. The same doesn't seem to apply for the 'Mancini lickers'

Yes we were shtie yesterday but for the majority of last season we played shite in away games too and I don't recall you or several others laying into Mancini anywhere near as much.

This really isn't meant to be provocative but there does need to be a level of consistency amongst our fans.

[Beefymcfc]

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

Beefy mate, just to go off on a slight tangent.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying about our performances this season, but I can't help notice a degree of double standards.
Last season we played games which were equally as shit as yesterday if not worse yet you defended Mancini to the death and always 'had his back' and were always willing to make excuses for the failings. Yet with Pellegrini you seem to have no problems in slating him for the same mistakes.

You can't have it both ways. I criticized Manicni a hell of a lot last season when he fucked up but I've also criticized the Count for his mistakes. The same doesn't seem to apply for the 'Mancini lickers'

Yes we were shtie yesterday but for the majority of last season we played shite in away games too and I don't recall you or several others laying into Mancini anywhere near as much.

This really isn't meant to be provocative but there does need to be a level of consistency amongst our fans.

You could say it is hypocritical or to me it comes down to what we have been sold. I'll back Pellers wholeheartedly, like I did Mancini and also like I did with Hughes (I still thought he'd pull it off) but there is a very different premis with the Pellers signing. Also, I criticised them all at one point and was very harsh on Mancini; I just didn't want him here.

Going back to Hughes, we hired him at a time before where we are now. There was no money or superstar players to be seen so he was then thrust into a job that was just too much for him. When Mancini turned up I complained about him as he'd turned us into something that I didn't want to see, playing boring but competent football. The rest is history, as they say, and I don't really need to go further on that one but I still had plenty to say about his tactics. Only natural.

Now, we bring in Pellers who I have a lot of time for and he seems a nice bloke. However, he was brought in to oversee the change and we were promised free flowing attacking football. On top of that, he's been given a very good squad and given plenty of wonga to upgrade it. It is still very early to judge fully but from what we are seeing it doesn't look like anything has changed in relation to player mentality and the only real change has been a decrease in intensity on the field. Were we sold that?

As for giving him stick, I don't think I've been too vocal, just highlighted the relevent issues, like most. These issues I highlighted last season and the season before but the difference with Pellers and Mancini is that Mancini actually earned his respect, changing our collective mentality on the pitch and moving onto better things. Let's not forget, even that shite season earned us a 2nd place finish and a Cup Final. Will Pellers get anywhere close, I'm not so sure.

So, it's not me being hypocritical, I'll support and debate the manager in equal measure and if you look at my posts from the start of last season, I stated that we wouldn't win anything due to not strengthening. If that's the case then how could I then disparage the manager knowing how the season would pan out? I also then had the feeling that F&B were working behind the scenes to chnage the structure, which didn't have Mancini at the helm. That made my stance a little more hardened until the point we see him unceremoniously dumped prior to the FA Cup. Everybody has there opinion, that was mine.

Moving on though, and a question I asked a while back, 'Why do F&B, and Pellers, get so much respect?'. Neither of them have won anything at City and it's very early in their tenure so why do people hold them up as some demi-gods when they haven't even earned their stripes yet? Did anybody even know Pellers before we were interested in him? Very strange.

[Ted Hughes]

Ted, the run-up to that Cup Final was a farce and left us in a position where we'd lost before the game had started. There is plenty of talk that he'd completely lost the dressing room yet we are now hearing from many of the players that there weren't any problems. I suppose it's for a different thread so I won't get into that.

As for this season, we have played 2 promoted teams and 2 that I believe to be mid-table at best. Contrast that to the likes of the Rags, Chelsea, Arsenal et al who have all played at least one game against arguably the top 6 teams. As mentioned above your post, the Rags have played Liverpool and Chelsea already yet they are on the same points as us.

The most worrying thing is the state of our play, it's in total disarray and our players look like they have no motivation at all. Looking at a couple of them yesterday, they were totally lost with what they were supposed to be doing. Yaya sat at the back as if he'd been told not to leave the defence, Kolarov and Zab's not getting forward as they once did and the 3 elements that make up a team all seemingly playing as separate entities, it looks a complete mess.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect us to go to play any team and beat them but at least we should be showing ourselves. Hopefully it's just growing pains and we bring ourselves up for the Rags match. At least that will be a test for the players, who many say are the best set in the league.

David Platt was asked about the rumours re Mancini & the players & pretty much admitted it. Said it's his method for success & that's how he operates.

Imo, last season was a mess & this season is a mess.

Until the later stages of last season, I still kind of believed Mancini would get us back on track, so we would start this season properly & come good again. But I was pretty sure he'd blown the title by Christmas. I was wrong about Mancini; he got worse & I think he would have been a complete disaster this season.

I also now believe the Count will start to pull this lot together, possibly by reigning in some of his tactical ideas, in order to get results. I may be wrong about that too, in which case he will head for the same dole office as Mancini.

If so fair enough; but I wouldn't want either back.

Fucking hell Ted, that's nearly as bad as the journo's. Platt didn't admit it atall, he merely stated that it was the way Mancini worked; he was driven and wanted everybody with the same mentality. At no point did he say that he'd lost the dressing room.

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

I'm sorry but I completely & utterly disagree with that.

The bloke gave him the opportunity, several times, to put out the story that the rumours weren't true & he never once denied it. He could easily have denied it but chose not to. Without actually saying "they all hated him" he answered with "Robbie is a driven character" "a winner" etc etc. Questions like "was it really as bad as it seemed from the outside" were NEVER answered with "no". One answer he gave said "I used to cringe sometimes" referring to stuff Mancini said to the players. He refused to take the opportunity to deny anything. I have heard Platt in the past describe some stories as 'rubbish' when asked. He didn't once deny anything re Mancini. He just gave the reasons why there were problems & said "it's his way".

There is no exaggeration in what i have posted; it's what he said & it's what he meant.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

Beefy mate, just to go off on a slight tangent.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying about our performances this season, but I can't help notice a degree of double standards.
Last season we played games which were equally as shit as yesterday if not worse yet you defended Mancini to the death and always 'had his back' and were always willing to make excuses for the failings. Yet with Pellegrini you seem to have no problems in slating him for the same mistakes.

You can't have it both ways. I criticized Manicni a hell of a lot last season when he fucked up but I've also criticized the Count for his mistakes. The same doesn't seem to apply for the 'Mancini lickers'

Yes we were shtie yesterday but for the majority of last season we played shite in away games too and I don't recall you or several others laying into Mancini anywhere near as much.

This really isn't meant to be provocative but there does need to be a level of consistency amongst our fans.

You could say it is hypocritical or to me it comes down to what we have been sold. I'll back Pellers wholeheartedly, like I did Mancini and also like I did with Hughes (I still thought he'd pull it off) but there is a very different premis with the Pellers signing. Also, I criticised them all at one point and was very harsh on Mancini; I just didn't want him here.

Going back to Hughes, we hired him at a time before where we are now. There was no money or superstar players to be seen so he was then thrust into a job that was just too much for him. When Mancini turned up I complained about him as he'd turned us into something that I didn't want to see, playing boring but competent football. The rest is history, as they say, and I don't really need to go further on that one but I still had plenty to say about his tactics. Only natural.

Now, we bring in Pellers who I have a lot of time for and he seems a nice bloke. However, he was brought in to oversee the change and we were promised free flowing attacking football. On top of that, he's been given a very good squad and given plenty of wonga to upgrade it. It is still very early to judge fully but from what we are seeing it doesn't look like anything has changed in relation to player mentality and the only real change has been a decrease in intensity on the field. Were we sold that?

As for giving him stick, I don't think I've been too vocal, just highlighted the relevent issues, like most. These issues I highlighted last season and the season before but the difference with Pellers and Mancini is that Mancini actually earned his respect, changing our collective mentality on the pitch and moving onto better things. Let's not forget, even that shite season earned us a 2nd place finish and a Cup Final. Will Pellers get anywhere close, I'm not so sure.

So, it's not me being hypocritical, I'll support and debate the manager in equal measure and if you look at my posts from the start of last season, I stated that we wouldn't win anything due to not strengthening. If that's the case then how could I then disparage the manager knowing how the season would pan out? I also then had the feeling that F&B were working behind the scenes to chnage the structure, which didn't have Mancini at the helm. That made my stance a little more hardened until the point we see him unceremoniously dumped prior to the FA Cup. Everybody has there opinion, that was mine.

Moving on though, and a question I asked a while back, 'Why do F&B, and Pellers, get so much respect?'. Neither of them have won anything at City and it's very early in their tenure so why do people hold them up as some demi-gods when they haven't even earned their stripes yet? Did anybody even know Pellers before we were interested in him? Very strange.

There were clear problems last season. We had a gift of a cup run and even then we fucked the final up. Whilst we'd pretty much lost the league by Christmas. We came second yes but the rest of the league was horseshite.
We had massive problems against any team who were organised and had a game plan. Ted gave numerous examples. Liverpool twice, Southampton twice, Dortmund, Arsenal, Sunderland, West Ham, QPR to name a few.

Last season was disappointing to watch and we hardly got any enjoyment out of it. It wasn't so much where we finished, it's how we played.
The football was boring. Especially away from home, we attacked far too slowly, we lacked any cutting edge or penetration and many games were actually plain shite and boring to watch. Sometimes we got away with it due to individual brilliance (eg Tevez at home to wigan), Other times we didn't and paid the price.


Something had to change and did.
Did I know a lot about Pellegrini beforehand? No, virtually nothing. But even though we've been poor there have been a few promising signs. The first goal against Hull, quick build up play and a first time cross- something we rarely did under Mancini. Infact the only two games we did that to great effect under Mancini were Spurs and Rags away in title winning season and then for some reason stopped doing it.
Against Newcastle we were great and some of the football was better than anything we had seen last season.


To me the biggest issue seems to be key players massively underperforming. It doesn't matter what system you play, if your players underperform you won't get anywhere. And I've said it before that the two biggest culprits of that are Silva and Aguero. Two players who if they played to anything like they are capable of would tear apart the league. Yet both continue to play mostly shite only showing us glimpses of what they can do. The same could be said of Nasri who hasn't got his career going with us yet.

Is that down to the manager or the players themselves?
We only have to look across the road to see how baconface got his teams to perform at a far greater level than the sum of their parts. I mean John O Shea and Wes Brown were big parts of title winning teams. He got shite players like Park and Feltcher to play well beyond what they are capable of.

Pellegrini's biggest task will be to get the best out of our players. Systems are overrated and often overcomplicated Bacon face was never tactically brilliant was he?

[Beefymcfc]

I'm sorry but I completely & utterly disagree with that.

The bloke gave him the opportunity, several times, to put out the story that the rumours weren't true & he never once denied it. He could easily have denied it but chose not to. Without actually saying "they all hated him" he answered with "Robbie is a driven character" "a winner" etc etc. Questions like "was it really as bad as it seemed from the outside" were NEVER answered with "no". One answer he gave said "I used to cringe sometimes" referring to stuff Mancini said to the players. He refused to take the opportunity to deny anything. I have heard Platt in the past describe some stories as 'rubbish' when asked. He didn't once deny anything re Mancini. He just gave the reasons why there were problems & said "it's his way".

There is no exaggeration in what i have posted; it's what he said & it's what he meant.

From that interview I got that Mancini was definately not the arm round shoulder guy, which we all knew, but he said nothing other than he was hard task master and that some of the players wouldn't have liked it. Couple this with the likes of Zab, Sergio etc coming out and saying there weren't problems and describing it just as Platt does shows me that it was certain individuals rather than the majority. In fact, I've not read a single piece that describes him in a bad light although I have heard plenty of rumour/conjecture from persons who believe they have a link to the club. I dismiss that shit though.

Let's face it, Mancini's days were numbered when we brought in the new board. Mancini tried to strengthen his position as they moved in. They soon put paid to that and from then on it was a slippery slope, not helped by Mancini himself who added the grease.

The players though, poor souls. Imagine being kept on their toes by the hard task master, being talked about on or off the field, in the press or on the TV. Don't get me wrong, Mancini used to make me cringe with some of the comments he made but that was him, nothing changed. Maybe we need somebody like him aiding Pellers, just to remind them the way it could be. Maybe that's what they need at the moment to get their heads out of their arses. They need it.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Mancini has gone but let's not kill the legacy that he's left behind ffs.

Beefy mate, just to go off on a slight tangent.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying about our performances this season, but I can't help notice a degree of double standards.
Last season we played games which were equally as shit as yesterday if not worse yet you defended Mancini to the death and always 'had his back' and were always willing to make excuses for the failings. Yet with Pellegrini you seem to have no problems in slating him for the same mistakes.

You can't have it both ways. I criticized Manicni a hell of a lot last season when he fucked up but I've also criticized the Count for his mistakes. The same doesn't seem to apply for the 'Mancini lickers'

Yes we were shtie yesterday but for the majority of last season we played shite in away games too and I don't recall you or several others laying into Mancini anywhere near as much.

This really isn't meant to be provocative but there does need to be a level of consistency amongst our fans.

Difference being of course that Mancini had won himself room to operate. You could say that despite some poor games he is capable of winning this league because he had actually done it for us. Anywhichway Pellegrini needs to prove himself.