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Hughes - lost two games in 22+, on route to 4th.

Mancini - lost 3 games in 10, - on route to 7th

Easy decision.

lets get down to the real issue here.

£10 says hughes would take mancini in a ruck.

Hmmm part of me doesn't even want to contribute to this but I will do.

First and foremost. Mancini,in my eyes, will get a LOT more time to get it right than the period he's had so far.

We were terrible yesterday, piss fucking poor from the off. Too many individual bad performances to mention. It just seemed like one of those days where NOTHING we tried came off.

Poor performances from Given, Zabaleta, Toure, Boyata, De Jong, Barry, Ireland, Adebayor, Tevez and Bellamy. In the circumstances surrounding him I thought Bridge was the only one to emerge with any credit. Johnson looked promising and I was pleasantly surprised by how comfortable Patrick Vieira looked on his introduction.

Horrible to watch though, truly painful and I would have happily let the ref blow for full time when they went 2-0 up. Was clear as day that a draw was the maximum we'd get yesterday and we didn't deserve that even.

In terms of a comparison. Well we played nicer stuff going forwards under Hughes (so far anyway). But largely we have looked better at the back under Mancini (although I am not entirely convinced I must confess) and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt in that I think he wants a stable platform at the back from which to then develop the offensive part of our game. I'm happy nicking 1-0's and being hard to beat if he can get us there...but only for a period. That type of football is exactly why, even though I love his character, I would prefer us to avoid Jose but if that's what Mancini will serve up then....Jose does that best...why not have him instead.

But as others have said, we lost one game. It was a disappointing defeat but not the end of the world. We do, however, need a response.

I think there's a fair case that it was our draw at home to Hull on 28th November that finally caused our management to overreact and start the process of replacing our last Manager.
Mancini's proved nothing, but let's hope he gets more support and less panic from those above him, because he will get there given time.

Remember how we take a draw last season before criticize Bobby Manc for our yesterday defeat at Hull, please!!!

Erwin Rommel wrote:Hughes - lost two games in 22+, on route to 4th.

Mancini - lost 3 games in 10, - on route to 7th

Easy decision.

How do you figure that out? We still have two games in hand.

But I agree it's an easy decision for me too. Just not the one you imply.

i want mancio to be successful with us. i want him to make himself a legend here.

however right up until he was sacked i thought hughes could be the man given time, and so far i have seen little difference between the two. we are slightly better at the back, but much more conservative in offence. the issue of left wingers on the right and vice versa is also doing my head in.

i also think we would have gone for it a bit more in the semi were hughes still in charge, but the again we probably would have conceded a good few to boot.

Ted Hughes wrote:You can't just take over a club & have them playing your way instantly. If you can it's more luck than planning. The better the players the easier it is but people were fucking stupid re Hughes & some around the net have been fucking stupid re Mancini both from a positive & negative angle. People talking about the 'huge improvements' v Wolves= fucking nonsense. Some are calling him a clown now.

It makes me fucking sick to read the bullshit that people put out about this kind of thing though; Mancini naive, Hughes naive, they've forgotten more about football whilst having a shit than any of you lot or me will ever know.

Hughes had learned the players better than Mancini because he was with them longer. He tried them in different positions, tried to sign players to improve things & moved others on. Then got sacked about 20% through the plan. Now Mancini has to do it to fit his master plan around Hughes' players as Hughes did with his inferior starting point from Sven's shower & Mancini will probably get dumped if he understandably struggles. Or alternatively he may not be good enough but how the fuck do we know for sure?

I've had 40 odd years of this fucking shit & some have had worse. Tactical experts on here who know exactly what's needed? Kiss my fucking arse.

Thank you.
A rant , but a high quality rant :-)

johnpb78 wrote:

SORTED wrote:Compare Hughes to Jose post summer as I have a feeling Mancini is merely a stop gap. My money is on Mourinho coming in.

I can only see that happening

I will be gutted if it doesnt

You'd wonder why a Manager like Mancini would agree to be put in to this situation - but he's hardly going to be short of job offers back in Italy.

But if we don't make Top 4 this season then why would Mourinho give up Serie A Champions to come here? He too is hardly going to be short of job offers. All Taggart need do is recommend him to the Glazers...

btajim wrote:but he's hardly going to be short of job offers back in Italy.

correct me if i'm wrong but he was out of work for a year and a half?

CFFR?

The Man In Blue wrote:

btajim wrote:but he's hardly going to be short of job offers back in Italy.

correct me if i'm wrong but he was out of work for a year and a half?

CFFR?

He was, and to be honest I think he would have been for a long time. The only available spots that could have interested him were AC Milan, Juventus and Roma after Spalletti left but for various reasons all were off limits for him, Milan and Juventus due to the big rivality with Inter, their fans wouldn't have welcomed him well I guess, and more or less the same goes for Roma, even more so because he played at and managed Lazio too. Besides, Roma wouldn't have been able to afford his wages.

The Man In Blue wrote:

btajim wrote:but he's hardly going to be short of job offers back in Italy.

correct me if i'm wrong but he was out of work for a year and a half?

CFFR?

Your statistic isn't wrong but your point is. He was still sorting out his pay off with Inter before looking for a new Club.

Mancini is a young, succesful Manager. He won't be short of offers.

btajim wrote:

The Man In Blue wrote:

btajim wrote:but he's hardly going to be short of job offers back in Italy.

correct me if i'm wrong but he was out of work for a year and a half?

CFFR?

Your statistic isn't wrong but your point is. He was still sorting out his pay off with Inter before looking for a new Club.

Mancini is a young, succesful Manager. He won't be short of offers.

wasn't trying to make a point lad, just after some info. don't really follow italian footy.

Good topic this.

DoomMerchant wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:You can't just take over a club & have them playing your way instantly. If you can it's more luck than planning. The better the players the easier it is but people were fucking stupid re Hughes & some around the net have been fucking stupid re Mancini both from a positive & negative angle. People talking about the 'huge improvements' v Wolves= fucking nonsense. Some are calling him a clown now.

It makes me fucking sick to read the bullshit that people put out about this kind of thing though; Mancini naive, Hughes naive, they've forgotten more about football whilst having a shit than any of you lot or me will ever know.

Hughes had learned the players better than Mancini because he was with them longer. He tried them in different positions, tried to sign players to improve things & moved others on. Then got sacked about 20% through the plan. Now Mancini has to do it to fit his master plan around Hughes' players as Hughes did with his inferior starting point from Sven's shower & Mancini will probably get dumped if he understandably struggles. Or alternatively he may not be good enough but how the fuck do we know for sure?

I've had 40 odd years of this fucking shit & some have had worse. Tactical experts on here who know exactly what's needed? Kiss my fucking arse.

i agree with that well-deserved emotional rant. Do you agree with my position tho that say a Sam Allardyce or Neil Warnock or Alan Curbishley, etc would have us in about the same league position that Hughes or Mancini has had us in?

Yes they may have & so may Ferguson or Joe Mercer or Arsene Wenger & various morons would have wanted them sacking just as the rags did with bacon. People just assume managers wave a magic wand & the players respond perfectly even though City's history proves conclusively that it's bullshit. It took Ferguson years & fortunes to solve the rags' problems, you learn from the bad results & in those days you could solve it more easily as there was no transfer window, yet it still took him years. That was after taking over a top 2 side!

If Mancini is left in the job long enough he'll probably produce a title winning side, as Hughes may well have done. Then again either could fall short & that would be the time to make a tough decision not discard a manager on a whim with the team half built. This is Hughes' team which Mancini has to work with, in the same way as Hughes had to work with Sven's. What's the fucking point of giving either of them a job to produce a side then sacking them half way through building it?

Statistically Mancini is the better manager.

King Kev wrote:Statistically Mancini is the better manager.

and Machin was better than Joe Mercer.

King Kev wrote:Statistically Mancini is the better manager.

haha...I certainly hope that was a joke?

two words for you my friend

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it's official, mancini is our greatest ever manager.

in your face frank clark.

Is nobody going to point out that some of the managers in that table were in charge of us in lower divisions?