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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:42 pm

ant london wrote:http://football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746_6256940,00.html



World Cup finals are rarely the pinnacle of a festival of football. There's too much at stake and if you look in the history books you'll see some real stinkers.

I didn't find Holland v Spain up there with some of the worst, even though listening to the 5live commentary, you'd have thought from Alan Green's general misanthropy that it was as interesting as watching someone making porridge.

Perversely, I love very defensive, negative games. They're to be enjoyed with a different bit of your brain to a 5-0 thrashing or the 4-3 last-minute winner-type games.

It's not football for the tourist, that's for sure, but seeing the Dutch bully Spain, press them hard and close down space was fascinating to me. It's all part of the art of football as much as fannying around a lot with the ball.

I also love a dirty game. Indeed, I badly miss a proper dirty game. It used to be one of the great joys of football. You don't want to see it every game but it used to be an important part of the texture of the game, so kicking, kung-fu and crunching tackles are all fine with me. Holland and to a lesser degree Spain delivered a fine feast of aggression. Mark Van Bommel's ability to hurt people consistently and not get sent off is an art-form in and of itself and I can't help but admire it somehow.

As Green and Ingham moaned about the quality of the game, they missed the point of what the Netherlands were trying to do. Had they played an open, attacking game, they'd have got creamed senseless by Spain. Yes, that would have been fun for the neutral but the Dutch don't owe 5live commentators or anyone else anything. They're there to win and win by any means possible. It wasn't some sort of gross, immoral attitude they took to the game, merely a pragmatic one born out of knowing exactly what would suppress Spain most successfully. I admire that.

The only way to play a side better than you is to stifle, foul, close down and generally get in their faces for as long as you can get away with it. Chances were that a World Cup final will be refereed more liberally because of the occasion, so they took full advantage of that; fair play to them, or rather, foul play to them.

And you know what? It would have bloody worked if Robben had done the job he was there to do and put the ball away. It all worked perfectly and it only failed due to Robben's inability to score from two gilt-edged chances. All Spain's fantastic football was rendered impotent after 15 minutes by the Dutch approach. That was a major achievement and there was much to admire about it.

And while we're talking about fouling, I would also rather the kick-in-the-chest-type foul to the snidey shirt-pull, the wrestling and the petty little fouls which seems so much more mincing somehow. Holland's fouling was much more old school and obvious, Spain's more niggling, petty and over-dramatic.

But in the court of public opinion, the Dutch have one major problem; Arjen Robben. The fact he runs with his arm out, as though he is holding a handbag, the fact he looks like a baby that has undergone some sort of terrible ageing process, the fact that he goes to ground on every occasion possible with a look of tortured anguish on his face that suggested he had just a red hot poker put up his fundament. Robben is one of those players whose side you want to lose just to spite him, no matter how good they are, no matter how much you like the other players. At least Van Bommel is a shamelessly nasty c**t; I quite admire that. Robben is just such a big tart; a once-in-a-generation monster, it's impossible for the neutral to want him to succeed. The fact that Holland failed largely due to his inability to score was ultimately very sweet.

While Spain was, across the tournament, as worthy a winner as any side, the Dutch showed the world how to play them. Maybe they were overly aggressive but clearly, Spain, despite all their mercurial talents, had few answers to being pressed high up the pitch, to being crowded out in midfield and roughed up a bit.

That was great to see and went some way to shutting up the more drooling members of the punditocracy and media for whom Spain could do no wrong; seeing them as some sort of indefatigable footballing gods. The Spain-love had got out of all proportion and had got to such an extreme that any Spanish close control or incisive pass was being described as though no-one else on the planet shared such skill; which isn't to decry their obvious quality at all, more to rate it with some perspective.

So given all of this, I was pleased with the result. Robben lost and Spain won but were made to look human. A fine end to a most enjoyable month of football I'd say.


What a bollox article.Spain won if you hadn't noticed.That girl called Robben wasn't good enough to beat Iker.Hollands thugish tactic didn't work
Nigel broke somebodies leg a few months ago.Got banned from the semi because of his behaviour earlier in the tournament so to delude yourselves into thinking it was a one off is naive
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Beeks » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:46 pm

Rag_hater wrote:
What a bollox article.Spain won if you hadn't noticed.That girl called Robben wasn't good enough to beat Iker.Hollands thugish tactic didn't work
Nigel broke somebodies leg a few months ago.Got banned from the semi because of his behaviour earlier in the tournament so to delude yourselves into thinking it was a one off is naive


Rag Hater...agreeing with the majority?

Now if that ever happened that would be a disgrace
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby kinkylola » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:52 pm

it's not obvious that this guy is a rag on a wind up?

I really don't get where you are getting this from? You've been reading articles and listening to podcasts where people are calling him a disgrace, right? so that's automatically your opinion.

It's all fine and good being able to watch every play in super slow motion over and over again but when you're out there on the field, it all happens pretty fast.

Am I saying that his instructions weren't to wreck shit? nope.

You're naive if you think that isn't an important part of the game ... in the past and in the present ... and it will remain so in the future. Other posters have brought it up and it's just true. I never heard a peep out of you about this during the season when de jong was putting in crunching tackles. He was never a disgrace, just a hard player doing his job. Here's a newsflash for you, he's still just doing his job.

This tackle, this isolated tackle, is definitely regrettable. And I think you could tell immediately after he happened that he wasn't proud about it. Did he do it on purpose? I don't think so. Did he maybe get too into the moment? Was he too wrapped up in being the hard man? Probably a little. We're lucky in this case because no one was injured, but I think that it looks a lot worse than it actually was. They weren't exactly two locomotives on a collision course now where they?

Summary for people who don't want to read all of that: Calm the fuck down, you're out of line calling de jong a disgrace. Go have a long hard think about that and come back later.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Blue Blood » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:52 pm

I like de jong.

Half the spanish midfielders were going down like total pussy's last night, whinging and whining all night long.

A good karate kick to chest is cracking cure for that... Kudos nige.

It's reckless and dangerous but it's a part of football which makes football the game it is. I mean we all like a good meaty tackle now and then.. gives the forums something to talk about.

Also it's not like they are poor under paid slave workers, they get paid a big chunk to take a hit now and then.

"Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football" psshh, cock off.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby pepsi_dave » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:59 pm

Having watched a few replays of it, I think De Jong actually was trying to get his foot to the ball (How many times have we seen him do that for us this season, but without any opposition players in the way), and he perhaps hasnt realised how close alonso actually is until he's kicked him in the chest.

Not saying the tackle was right, but De Jong isnt the sort of player who plays with malice, he plays with his heart on his sleeve, and plays with passion and desire to win the ball at all costs.... there was a match las season where he did the exact same thing, but missed the player by a fair few inches and took the ball.... he got booked for the high boot, I remember saying to someone, he keeps doing that, one of these days he's gonna kill some fucker.....

Alonso was nearly that one player lol......

It is the fighting spirit to De Jongs game that makes him an asset..... but as most posters have said so far, to call him a disgrace is way OTT.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Kladze » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:59 pm

petrov wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.


Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.


What total and utter tripe!
I'm in no way excusing last night's challenge but really! 25 years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid.
It's supposed to be a contact sport but opinions like yours are turning it into a sport for girls.

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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:03 pm

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
What a bollox article.Spain won if you hadn't noticed.That girl called Robben wasn't good enough to beat Iker.Hollands thugish tactic didn't work
Nigel broke somebodies leg a few months ago.Got banned from the semi because of his behaviour earlier in the tournament so to delude yourselves into thinking it was a one off is naive


Rag Hater...agreeing with the majority?

Now if that ever happened that would be a disgrace


Agreeing with the sheep on here,youre right that would be a disgrace.
Anyway I'm getting the error message again making it hard to play so I'm giving up for today.
Finally though if anybody thinks that what Niigel did last night is justafiable along with a list of other misdemeanors then they like a different style of football to me.
To me it just looks like the plastic gangsters on here live out their fantasies watching hardmen like pitbull.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Grob » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:04 pm

It wasnt De Jongs finest moment but to label him a disgrace for getting a tackle totally wrong is a bit much.

De Jong at least attempts to play the game fairly on the most part. Unlike his cheating, filthy little sidekick Van Bommel who is the kind of player I hope never ever ever ever wears our shirt again.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby mr_nool » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:30 pm

de Jong plays too hard very often. he's somewhat unpolished, to say the least, and if he were a rag I would probably hate him.

From this tournament I also remember a quite disgusting two footed tackle against Denmark (or was it Japan), which definitely should've resulted ina a straight red (can't find any video).

In a friendly before the WC he broke Holden's leg with this tackle:
[youtube]ayEt24YOF5I[/youtube]
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Sister of fu » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:37 pm

Kladze wrote:
petrov wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.


Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.


What total and utter tripe!
I'm in no way excusing last night's challenge but really! 25 years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid.
It's supposed to be a contact sport but opinions like yours are turning it into a sport for girls.

No offence meant SoF



None taken, if you played with some of the girls iv played with and against you would defo not be calling it a "sport for girls"

I recall stamping on some girls shin when i was youger and the girls leg bowed under the weight of my challenge and i felt like a shit for doing it. Luckly she did not break anything. I was fully aware i had over stepped the mark and I am 100% sure players are fully aware when they go over the top.

Im sure Nigel is sorry for the challenge and will be gutted that people's lasting memory of him in this WC is that challenge.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Kladze » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:39 pm

Sister of fu wrote:
Kladze wrote:
petrov wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.


Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.


What total and utter tripe!
I'm in no way excusing last night's challenge but really! 25 years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid.
It's supposed to be a contact sport but opinions like yours are turning it into a sport for girls.

No offence meant SoF



None taken, if you played with some of the girls iv played with


The scope for double entendre in that partial sentence is wonderful ;-)
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:43 pm

mr_nool wrote:de Jong plays too hard very often. he's somewhat unpolished, to say the least, and if he were a rag I would probably hate him.

From this tournament I also remember a quite disgusting two footed tackle against Denmark (or was it Japan), which definitely should've resulted ina a straight red (can't find any video).

In a friendly before the WC he broke Holden's leg with this tackle:
[youtube]ayEt24YOF5I[/youtube]


Tackles which endanger people's knees & ankles etc are much more of a problem than someone getting a dig in the chest imo, no matter how unpleasent it looks. I don't know if DeJong was reckless or just unfortunate with that youtube one because I can't see it well enough but some of the tackles from the side & behind in the world cup could easily have resulted in serious career threatening injury, not just a bit of a knock, & none of those were by DeJong.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby mr_nool » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:47 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
mr_nool wrote:de Jong plays too hard very often. he's somewhat unpolished, to say the least, and if he were a rag I would probably hate him.

From this tournament I also remember a quite disgusting two footed tackle against Denmark (or was it Japan), which definitely should've resulted ina a straight red (can't find any video).

In a friendly before the WC he broke Holden's leg with this tackle:
[youtube]ayEt24YOF5I[/youtube]


Tackles which endanger people's knees & ankles etc are much more of a problem than someone getting a dig in the chest imo, no matter how unpleasent it looks. I don't know if DeJong was reckless or just unfortunate with that youtube one because I can't see it well enough but some of the tackles from the side & behind in the world cup could easily have resulted in serious career threatening injury, not just a bit of a knock, & none of those were by DeJong.


yes they were, the two footed tackle I mention definitely had leg breaking potential.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:51 pm

mr_nool wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
mr_nool wrote:de Jong plays too hard very often. he's somewhat unpolished, to say the least, and if he were a rag I would probably hate him.

From this tournament I also remember a quite disgusting two footed tackle against Denmark (or was it Japan), which definitely should've resulted ina a straight red (can't find any video).

In a friendly before the WC he broke Holden's leg with this tackle:
[youtube]ayEt24YOF5I[/youtube]


Tackles which endanger people's knees & ankles etc are much more of a problem than someone getting a dig in the chest imo, no matter how unpleasent it looks. I don't know if DeJong was reckless or just unfortunate with that youtube one because I can't see it well enough but some of the tackles from the side & behind in the world cup could easily have resulted in serious career threatening injury, not just a bit of a knock, & none of those were by DeJong.


yes they were, the two footed tackle I mention definitely had leg breaking potential.


If it's the one I'm thinking of, I didn't think so at the time but if he was airborne & hit the bloke like some of Van Bommel's challenges then I'd agree. It didn't appear like that at the time to me although it would still have merited a red card. Hardly any such challenges have recieved one though.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Twobob » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:30 pm

NDJ reminds me a bit of Danny Taito, if you send him out with instructions to 'break someone' he will do - plays a hard game and I seriously think that the whole of the Dutch squad were sent out with instructions to 'plow in hard' - let the Spanish players know you are there so they worry when they have the ball and cant linger ... NDJ took it pretty much litterally from the looks of things!

Yes it was hard, and yes I think if he did that in the prem he would have been sent off - the world cup has let quite a few bad challenges go unpunnished (Van Bommell for example) but to call him a discrace I feel is way over the top!

Now if he was diving and cheeting his way through the world cup I might have shared your opinion - thats discracefull.

I suppose you'll be the one booing him against Spurs then huh?
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby The Man In Blue » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:08 pm

Svensational wrote:I laughed. Alonso was being a mard arse, after all he only got studded in the chest.

De Jong is animal, thats what defensive midfielders do.


this.

should have been a red, but still. most times nige will make the tackle and we will all be singing his praises, occasionally it will go wrong and it will look really fucking bad. that's the kind of player he is.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Exiled » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:18 pm

Meh. It was a bad tackle and I'm sure Nige feels bad about it. BUT I've seen these before and no one cares that much. Case in point, take a look at this from Jonny Evans on Drogba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7-RXM5s ... re=related



And if someone can tell me how to embed these YouTube clips then much appreciated.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:27 pm

Sister of fu wrote:
Kladze wrote:
petrov wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Now, I'm not biggest De Jong fan out there as he offers absolutely nothing going forward and lacks passing ability. However, he is a profile player. His duty is to kick the shit out of opposition playmakers and that's exactly what he did in the competition. He did what he was asked to do and did it well. I think it's slightly ot to call him "disgrace" for that.


Im all for a good ball winning midfielder mate, but trying to kick someone in the head is not doing his job, deliberately goin in over the top on challenges to hurt people is not the job of a good ball winning midfielder either, look at Makelele who was a legend in the role. Never intentionally hurt anyone, a true pro and a great player. De Jong was disgusting last night, he had no interest in good hard solid and fair tackles, he simply decided Im gonna try and injure someone. I'd call that Keane like and imho football has no place for those kind of thugs. The same could be said for alot of the dutch team but DeJong is supposed a city player and the only one I care about.


What total and utter tripe!
I'm in no way excusing last night's challenge but really! 25 years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid.
It's supposed to be a contact sport but opinions like yours are turning it into a sport for girls.

No offence meant SoF



None taken, if you played with some of the girls iv played with and against you would defo not be calling it a "sport for girls"

I recall stamping on some girls shin when i was youger and the girls leg bowed under the weight of my challenge and i felt like a shit for doing it. Luckly she did not break anything. I was fully aware i had over stepped the mark and I am 100% sure players are fully aware when they go over the top.

Im sure Nigel is sorry for the challenge and will be gutted that people's lasting memory of him in this WC is that challenge.


well stated. i'd love to let you stamp on me. Have i told you that?

;)

just sayin

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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Kladze » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:29 pm

Exiled wrote:Meh. It was a bad tackle and I'm sure Nige feels bad about it. BUT I've seen these before and no one cares that much. Case in point, take a look at this from Jonny Evans on Drogba:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7-RXM5s ... re=related



And if someone can tell me how to embed these YouTube clips then much appreciated.


Like this :-)

[youtube]K7-RXM5sg7k[/youtube]

Now hit quote and you'll see how I did it.
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Re: Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

Postby Exiled » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:31 pm

Damn. As easy as that eh. Cheers.
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