Worst City in England for Football considering size

[Slim]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

9th.

[Alioune DVToure]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

I don't think there were any empty seats. There was a big gap on both sides of the Villa fans and another between the Villa fans and the pitch, but I'd assume this was for security reasons after the trouble at the cup game.

[The Beast]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

I don't think there were any empty seats. There was a big gap on both sides of the Villa fans and another between the Villa fans and the pitch, but I'd assume this was for security reasons after the trouble at the cup game.

There were masses of empty seats. 22k for the 'The second City Derby' - Laughable !

Lots of talk about embarrassing attendance on both sets of fans forums

[King Kev]

It's got to be Westminster hasn't it?

[Fish111]

I think both Sheffield clubs have massively under-achieved in recent years considering the size of both clubs. Disgrace the pair of them. In fact, considering how many teams are in Yorkshire, whether it be South, East, North or West Yorkshire, the county as a whole is shit with regards football.

[blues-clues]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

Oh my mistake! I inadvertently answered the question the OP asked using information supplied earlier in the thread and other historical information known as facts!

Wakefield is not a small town it is a small City and it is bigger than Coventry! Coventry may be a crap team in your opinion but would beat Wakefield more often than not, that is why they are three leagues above them. You are entitled to your opinion but in this case you are just wrong!

[Arjan Van Schotte]

Bradford. I thought it was the 7th biggest City in the country and Bradford City and Park Avenue have hardly covered the city in glory. Eleven thousand out of a population bigger than Manchester is a feeble effort.
Incidentally it is perceived wisdom that if Bradford Exchange and Forster Square stations had been linked making Bradford a through destination, it would have been the industrial powerhouse of the North.
But Bradford without a doubt is the worst.

don't mean to pick (ahem) - but the quote of 7th biggest city in the country is just tosh - it's only 7th biggest because it's a metropolitan council and includes loads of towns that are certainly not Bradford (including keighley, ilkley, bingley etc etc) it'd be like including wigan/bolton/oldham etc in manc pop. figures.

the real population of Bradford itself is around 275,000 - making it smaller than places like sunderland, leicester and coventry.

there are lots of similar anomalies in patrick's figures - all due to different ways of counting due to differing types of local government.

the thing that strikes me about a lot of the large cities/crap football is the presence of rugby. hull, bradford, wakefield, leeds, plymouth, bristol all have a very strong rugby presence.

[s1ty m]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

Oh my mistake! I inadvertently answered the question the OP asked using information supplied earlier in the thread and other historical information known as facts!




Wakefield is not a small town it is a small City and it is bigger than Coventry! Coventry may be a crap team in your opinion but would beat Wakefield more often than not, that is why they are three leagues above them. You are entitled to your opinion but in this case you are just wrong!

ffs. wakefield does not make the top 6, massive urban sprawl that it is. lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la ... population

[blues-clues]

Coventry. No contest. 10th biggest city, utterly useless club and fans.

I know "no contest" is a figure of speach but Wakefield is a bigger City and does not have a football league club so it wins any crapness contest with Coventry City by a country mile (CCFC have been in the Premier League,have won the FA Cup and have a half decent stadium)

Coventry is the 10th biggets city in the country, Wakefield is a small town with no football team. Trust me, Coventry City is dross on speed.

Having watched the '2nd city derby' yesterday, I switch my vote to Birmingham. How many empty seats, home and away support? Pathetic is far too genrous a word.

Oh my mistake! I inadvertently answered the question the OP asked using information supplied earlier in the thread and other historical information known as facts!




Wakefield is not a small town it is a small City and it is bigger than Coventry! Coventry may be a crap team in your opinion but would beat Wakefield more often than not, that is why they are three leagues above them. You are entitled to your opinion but in this case you are just wrong!

ffs. wakefield does not make the top 6, massive urban sprawl that it is. lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_la ... population

FFS Neither does Coventry! Coventry has a population of 310,000 The City of Wakefield is 322,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Wakefield

[Arjan Van Schotte]

FFS Neither does Coventry! Coventry has a population of 310,000 The City of Wakefield is 322,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Wakefield

you're missing the point mate - that's the population governed by the city of wakefield council - not th epopulation of wakefield

[blues-clues]

FFS Neither does Coventry! Coventry has a population of 310,000 The City of Wakefield is 322,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Wakefield

you're missing the point mate - that's the population governed by the city of wakefield council - not the population of wakefield

Aahh so it is all semantics! What the area is called is not relevant. A population of 322,000 has, as its best football team a club called Wakefield Town who play in the Northern Premier League and ground share with a Rugby League team. Another population of 310,000 has a football team called Coventry City who have won the FA cup, played in the premier league and have a purpose built 33000 capacity stadium. Which City is better for football given its size? I though that was the point!

[Arjan Van Schotte]

FFS Neither does Coventry! Coventry has a population of 310,000 The City of Wakefield is 322,000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Wakefield

you're missing the point mate - that's the population governed by the city of wakefield council - not the population of wakefield

Aahh so it is all semantics! What the area is called is not relevant. A population of 322,000 has, as its best football team a club called Wakefield Town who play in the Northern Premier League and ground share with a Rugby League team. Another population of 310,000 has a football team called Coventry City who have won the FA cup, played in the premier league and have a purpose built 33000 capacity stadium. Which City is better for football given its size? I though that was the point!

the population of wakefield is c.77,000. that's the point you are missing.

the wiki link you mention is the local government page - and states that it includes at least ten other towns in it's population figure.

cheers.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Bradford. I thought it was the 7th biggest City in the country and Bradford City and Park Avenue have hardly covered the city in glory. Eleven thousand out of a population bigger than Manchester is a feeble effort.
Incidentally it is perceived wisdom that if Bradford Exchange and Forster Square stations had been linked making Bradford a through destination, it would have been the industrial powerhouse of the North.
But Bradford without a doubt is the worst.

don't mean to pick (ahem) - but the quote of 7th biggest city in the country is just tosh - it's only 7th biggest because it's a metropolitan council and includes loads of towns that are certainly not Bradford (including keighley, ilkley, bingley etc etc) it'd be like including wigan/bolton/oldham etc in manc pop. figures.

the real population of Bradford itself is around 275,000 - making it smaller than places like sunderland, leicester and coventry.

there are lots of similar anomalies in patrick's figures - all due to different ways of counting due to differing types of local government.



the thing that strikes me about a lot of the large cities/crap football is the presence of rugby. hull, bradford, wakefield, leeds, plymouth, bristol all have a very strong rugby presence.

I really wouldn't care much to bet money on it, it was just something I'd read elsewhere sometime ago.There aren't a great deal of populace places around Bradford. It's squeezed on the East by Leeds, and places such as Queensbury (not that far West) surely come under Halifax. The likes of Keighley, Ilkley and Idle can't make that much difference. And fuck knows what is around Wakefield.
Huddersfield I'm told stepped back from taking City status as it would have been the borough of Kirklees that would have gained that honour, making it in effect almost as big as Manchester. That includes the glamour spots of Dewsbury and Batley and Holmfirth. Huddersfield's population is around 145,000. Which I suppose makes them relatively successful per head. A possible new thread there, I'd wager.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

There we go. According to Wiki it's the 13th largest city weighing in with 293,000. Making it bigger than Nottingham and Newcastle to start with. Still shit innit?

[Arjan Van Schotte]

There we go. According to Wiki it's the 13th largest city weighing in with 293,000. Making it bigger than Nottingham and Newcastle to start with. Still shit innit?

yep - still shit, not doubting that. just questioning the figures being erroneously chucked about.

anyway - as i said before - i think rugby has a lot to do with this (playing and watching).

using the original definition of city population - Leeds (2 pro clubs), wakefield (3 pro clubs), bradford (2 clubs), hull (2 clubs), and then leicester, northampton, bristol and plymouth (all RU hotbeds) all have a big rugby presence.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

this is fairly interesting:
Largest Towns without a Football League Team
Town Population Status
1 Dudley 194,919 Town
2 Luton 185,543 Town
3 Poole 144,800 Town
4 Telford 138,241 Town
5 York 137,505 City
6 Slough 126,276 Town
7 Gloucester 123,205 City
8 Newport 116,143 City
9 Cambridge 113,442 City
10 Eastbourne 106,562 Town
11 Sutton Coldfield 105,452 Town
12 St. Helens 102,629 Town
13 Crawley 100,547 Town

[Arjan Van Schotte]

and this apparently proves the answer to the OP is Bristol!

Largest Towns never to have won the English League
Town Population Status
1 Bristol 420,556 City
2 Leicester 330,574 City
3 Coventry 303,475 City
4 Hull 301,416 City
5 Bradford 293,717 City
6 Cardiff 292,150 City
7 Stoke 259,252 City
8 Plymouth 243,795 City
9 Southampton 234,224 City
10 Reading 232,662 Town
11 Brighton and Hove 206,628 City
12 Dudley 194,919 Town
13 Northampton 189,474 Town
14 Luton 185,543 Town
15 Milton Keynes 184,506 Town
16 Westminster 181,766 City
17 Norwich 174,047 City
18 Walsall 170,994 Town
19 Swansea 169,880 City
20 Bournemouth 167,527 Town
21 Southend 160,257 Tow

[blues-clues]

The problem here starts with definition. Defining a City has challenges of its own and that is before you get to worst for football which has so many definitions or interpretations it makes agreeing on an answer almost impossible. Still good for a giggle, just wish I had used my time more productively today!

[bluej]

I think both Sheffield clubs have massively under-achieved in recent years considering the size of both clubs. Disgrace the pair of them. In fact, considering how many teams are in Yorkshire, whether it be South, East, North or West Yorkshire, the county as a whole is shit with regards football.

Wednesday did alright in the early 90s didn't they? My mrs is from Sheffield and all her family are Wednesdayites, Wednesday have been run terribly for the last 10-12 years, they nearly went under at the back end of last year, so that kind of explains why they've been out of the top flight (and indeed the Championship currently).

[Goataldo]

Wakefield - a city? Come off it! I refuse to accept that.

Using far more realistic population stats that I plucked out of thin air/made up, I'd say Bristol or Carlisle.

Wakefield!!? Hahaha. You lot are mental.