Bellamy

[Kladze]

Bloody hell. Everyone seems to forget that he was pretty poor eversince Mancini came.

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

Furthermore, I'm not sure what he would've done against Villa side that gave no space to run to anyway.

Quite nonsensical topic.

look i'll go on record one last time as saying that City side this season WITH Craig fucking Bellamy in it would have won the league.

I fucking believe that. I'm not sure HOW any City fan could really feel this side is better without him in it. I mean, it's as if you just want to be contrarian with Logic...because it's not sensible to me.

Maybe i'm just a fucktard, but...Bellamy and Milner inserted at 60 mins vs Villa for Silva and Barry would have won us the match i feel. Been a couple others that have given me that feeling.

When the opposition gives you no space it's because you aren't stretching them to create it, right? it takes two to tango, and you know this game better than me, don't you?

cheers

No, we weren't stretching Villa because their defensive line was so deep we couldn't get behind them. There simply was no space space behind the line. Now this is something we have been struggling throughout Mancini's time with us. When opposition completely closes the shop.

There are two ways around this. A) you start crossing the ball like motherfucker and get loads of people in the box to win the heeaders OR B) you start cracking some decent shots from distance, as close to defensive line as possible. In ideal scenario you mix those two (putting low crosses to someone on the edge of the box when everyone is in six yard expecting high cross is cracking move in this situation for example). What you do NOT want to do is run, run and run trying to go through that meatwall. And THAT is what Bellamy does best.

There may have been situations this season when we would've needed Bellamy but Villa wasn't one of them.

And it's not just about who is best. Bellamy sets an example on training ground and off the pitch, example you may not want to give to players like Ballotelli who are hard to handle as it is. Bellamy is a good player but he is troublemaker and at this stage of his career simply not worth it.

And are you saying you think Bellamy is better player than Silva? Giggle.

And how can you "go on record" claiming we would've won the league with Bellamy??? That's one of the most retarded things I've heard in a while. I could "go on record" saying we would've on the league with Antoine Sibierski.

There were two reasons for which I thought this was "a pointless thread".

1) He has gone and he won't be coming back so why waste effort of thought and typing.

2) Antii has pretty much summed up (above) why Bellamy would have been ineffective against Villa.

Against teams who choose to / have to defend differently, then we'll open them up like a tin of sardines

[sandman]

What Bellamy did in 2009, what Bellamy did in 2010 and what Bellamy could do now are three completely different things.

He currently looks no better in a much slower and much less physical league also i'm told his knee's are giving him as much jip as ever. I highly doubt he would be able to rekindle his old form as age and health is against him.

I think using what a player did in the past as proof of what he could do now is a little silly, it was almost two years ago since his best for city (since after xmas if was good but not great)

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I really don't get why people put his performances for Cardiff up as some sort of proff he'd be shit here.

We've seen him here and we know what he can do with class around him. He was brilliant, no doubt. I for one would have loved for him to be here, really wish Bobby had found middle ground with him the way he has Tevez.

Same goes fro Ade with me though. Why the fuck cant Booby hate Jo instead?

Bellamy was brilliant ... on occasion, there were just as many times when he was a petulant, argumentative child on the pitch ... in addition to always being so off the pitch. I understand that he wants to win and he has drive and all that ... but public dissent, and constant bitching is not always good for a team.

Could bellamy have made a difference? Maybe. That's the only answer. He could just as easily be shit or brilliant, no one knows. But don't start claiming he was a consistent world beater week in week out ... that is revisionist at best.

Brilliant on occasion we could really use. The fact is there wasn't 5 better players than him over the course of the season let alone 25. That is fact.

[Beefymcfc]

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

That's diabolical. So, in reality, if Mancini hadn't sent him away he most probably wouldn't have been in that situation in the 1st place!

Poor Bellers.

[sandman]

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

That's diabolical. So, in reality, if Mancini hadn't sent him away he most probably wouldn't have been in that situation in the 1st place!

Poor Bellers.

Poor Bellers? The man is charged with assault, nobody made him do it. FFS.

Mancini didnt make him kick someones teeth in, or are you assuming that if he stayed at eastlands he would be a reformed character who wouldnt stir shit, cause mischief or have unnecessary scraps... Have you seriously ever heard of Bellamy... Its what he does, in fact it is what he is!!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

That's diabolical. So, in reality, if Mancini hadn't sent him away he most probably wouldn't have been in that situation in the 1st place!

Poor Bellers.

Poor Bellers? The man is charged with assault, nobody made him do it. FFS.Mancini didnt make him kick someones teeth in, or are you assuming that if he stayed at eastlands he would be a reformed character who wouldnt stir shit, cause mischief or have unnecessary scraps... Have you seriously ever heard of Bellamy... Its what he does, in fact it is what he is!!

I find it somewhat shocking that people don't really seem to care that he has in fact beaten up some people AGAIN. It's like "he's good footballer so it's cool". It's not cool to beat up anyone. And many of these same people were highly critical of Barton and his behaviour. Now I didn't like Barton and for same reason I'm not happy that Bellamy is still associated with us.

Thank god he will not be able to walk anymore by the time my kid(s) are old enough to have City heroes but I'd be apalled if my kids would idolise people who behave like this.

[Original Dub]

Bloody hell. Everyone seems to forget that he was pretty poor eversince Mancini came.

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

Furthermore, I'm not sure what he would've done against Villa side that gave no space to run to anyway.

Quite nonsensical topic.

Obviously not - quite a lot of people agree with me. The fact that you don't doesn't make it nonsensical. Its two pages long with some interesting views both sides. That makes the topic quite relevant.

Also, the fact you wanted to contribute to such nonsence is a bit strange.

Now, the argument that pace wouldn't have made a difference against Villa in the last 20 mins is fucking ridiculous. An injection of pace always upsets a stuborn, but tiring defence. It is another option that we no longer have.

As for you Mr Genius - as arrogant as ever, you really have a shitty air about you - when you're finished urinating on yourself, maybe have a think that this topic wasn't started because we lost one game, but because for about the 5th or 6th time this season, I think being able to put Bellamy, or another lightening quick attacker on would have really benefited us greatly.

Aside from Tevez he was our best player last season. Anyone who thinks he couldn't hack coming off the bench and making a difference has a very short memory.

NQDP you never liked him and you looked a bit of a cock when he proved you wrong. It seems that has stuck with you because it nearly sounds like you'd like him to get locked up for some reason?!

Anyway, anyone who doesn't think having nobody in the side with lightening pace isn't affecting us can kiss my hairy balls. Its a fucking STUPID argument.

[Beefymcfc]

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

That's diabolical. So, in reality, if Mancini hadn't sent him away he most probably wouldn't have been in that situation in the 1st place!

Poor Bellers.

Poor Bellers? The man is charged with assault, nobody made him do it. FFS.Mancini didnt make him kick someones teeth in, or are you assuming that if he stayed at eastlands he would be a reformed character who wouldnt stir shit, cause mischief or have unnecessary scraps... Have you seriously ever heard of Bellamy... Its what he does, in fact it is what he is!!

I find it somewhat shocking that people don't really seem to care that he has in fact beaten up some people AGAIN. It's like "he's good footballer so it's cool". It's not cool to beat up anyone. And many of these same people were highly critical of Barton and his behaviour. Now I didn't like Barton and for same reason I'm not happy that Bellamy is still associated with us.

Thank god he will not be able to walk anymore by the time my kid(s) are old enough to have City heroes but I'd be apalled if my kids would idolise people who behave like this.

Ahhhhhh, beautiful ;-)


PS. Sack the manager NOW!!!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bloody hell. Everyone seems to forget that he was pretty poor eversince Mancini came.

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

Furthermore, I'm not sure what he would've done against Villa side that gave no space to run to anyway.

Quite nonsensical topic.

Obviously not - quite a lot of people agree with me. The fact that you don't doesn't make it nonsensical. Its two pages long with some interesting views both sides. That makes the topic quite relevant.

Also, the fact you wanted to contribute to such nonsence is a bit strange.

Now, the argument that pace wouldn't have made a difference against Villa in the last 20 mins is fucking ridiculous. An injection of pace always upsets a stuborn, but tiring defence. It is another option that we no longer have.

As for you Mr Genius - as arrogant as ever, you really have a shitty air about you - when you're finished urinating on yourself, maybe have a think that this topic wasn't started because we lost one game, but because for about the 5th or 6th time this season, I think being able to put Bellamy, or another lightening quick attacker on would have really benefited us greatly.

Aside from Tevez he was our best player last season. Anyone who thinks he couldn't hack coming off the bench and making a difference has a very short memory.

NQDP you never liked him and you looked a bit of a cock when he proved you wrong. It seems that has stuck with you because it nearly sounds like you'd like him to get locked up for some reason?!

Anyway, anyone who doesn't think having nobody in the side with lightening pace isn't affecting us can kiss my hairy balls. Its a fucking STUPID argument.

Really? So you think it's cool that he goes beating up people? I'd want him locked up just as I'd want anyone with continuing violent tendencies locked up. He has been in anger management course in the past which obviously did fuck all to him. So yes, I think society should take different approach with him. Or are you saying he should get preferential treatment because he is a footballer?

And I didn't want him because he had questionable injury record and extremely questionable behavioural record. And because he is old and we paid absolutely ridiculous price for him. He cost us 1.1 million per goal in transfer fee alone. He is in trouble with law again. He couldn't train properly because his knee couldn't take it. NOW ARE YOU SAYING I WAS COMPLETELY OFF WITH THE REASONS WHY I DIDN'T WANT HIM?

It's YOUR opinion on a football matter that you think 10 man wall two inches from goalkeeper can be broken with pace. Frankly, I think it's completely wrong but then that's my opinion. Hardly me "urinating on myself" whatever that means.

CLAIMING that some results would've gone our away if we'd still had him is just argument based on nothing. He would've been there instead of other people and we might've ended up losing games we won if he had been there. Right? But then, you seem to claim that we only win with Bellamy on line up.

[Mase]

I wish Robinho was still here :(

[Ted Hughes]

I don't think Bellamy would have been the answer at Villa but I don't think there's been a single game when we've needed a substitution or a different starting 11, where Bellamy wouldn't have been as good or better than the player picked. And if he was so shit since Bob came, why did Bob keep playing him?

I've absolutely no doubt that Bellamy would have made a huge difference in some of the games we've struggled, Wolves away for starters & WBA in the league cup. Just those two games would have been worth his wages & any bullshit 'baggage' he's unfairly been accused of bringing to the team. We may yet get knocked out of one, or both cups because of resting players when we could have used Bellamy.

On no occasion, even on the best day he's ever had, is Jo better than Bellamy on a bad day; attacking defending or in front of goal. You all know it, so why even bother pretending otherwise? It's all bollocks to deflect from, what everybody knows, was a huge mistake.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't think Bellamy would have been the answer at Villa but I don't think there's been a single game when we've needed a substitution or a different starting 11, where Bellamy wouldn't have been as good or better than the player picked. And if he was so shit since Bob came, why did Bob keep playing him?

I've absolutely no doubt that Bellamy would have made a huge difference in some of the games we've struggled, Wolves away for starters & WBA in the league cup. Just those two games would have been worth his wages & any bullshit 'baggage' he's unfairly been accused of bringing to the team. We may yet get knocked out of one, or both cups because of resting players when we could have used Bellamy.

On no occasion, even on the best day he's ever had, is Jo better than Bellamy on a bad day; attacking defending or in front of goal. You all know it, so why even bother pretending otherwise? It's all bollocks to deflect from, what everybody knows, was a huge mistake.

Of course not. But Jo is hardly a measurestick for Premier League striker.

Also, one point that people seem to forget is that Bellamy wanted to go to Cardiff. In fact, there were rumours that he was willing to go on strike if he didn't get the move. So isn't this all pretty fucking pointless even from that point of view?

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I don't think Bellamy would have been the answer at Villa but I don't think there's been a single game when we've needed a substitution or a different starting 11, where Bellamy wouldn't have been as good or better than the player picked. And if he was so shit since Bob came, why did Bob keep playing him?

I've absolutely no doubt that Bellamy would have made a huge difference in some of the games we've struggled, Wolves away for starters & WBA in the league cup. Just those two games would have been worth his wages & any bullshit 'baggage' he's unfairly been accused of bringing to the team. We may yet get knocked out of one, or both cups because of resting players when we could have used Bellamy.

On no occasion, even on the best day he's ever had, is Jo better than Bellamy on a bad day; attacking defending or in front of goal. You all know it, so why even bother pretending otherwise? It's all bollocks to deflect from, what everybody knows, was a huge mistake.

Of course not. But Jo is hardly a measurestick for Premier League striker.

Also, one point that people seem to forget is that Bellamy wanted to go to Cardiff. In fact, there were rumours that he was willing to go on strike if he didn't get the move. So isn't this all pretty fucking pointless even from that point of view?

There were loads of bullshit rumours about Bellamy.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't think Bellamy would have been the answer at Villa but I don't think there's been a single game when we've needed a substitution or a different starting 11, where Bellamy wouldn't have been as good or better than the player picked. And if he was so shit since Bob came, why did Bob keep playing him?

I've absolutely no doubt that Bellamy would have made a huge difference in some of the games we've struggled, Wolves away for starters & WBA in the league cup. Just those two games would have been worth his wages & any bullshit 'baggage' he's unfairly been accused of bringing to the team. We may yet get knocked out of one, or both cups because of resting players when we could have used Bellamy.

On no occasion, even on the best day he's ever had, is Jo better than Bellamy on a bad day; attacking defending or in front of goal. You all know it, so why even bother pretending otherwise? It's all bollocks to deflect from, what everybody knows, was a huge mistake.

Of course not. But Jo is hardly a measurestick for Premier League striker.

Also, one point that people seem to forget is that Bellamy wanted to go to Cardiff. In fact, there were rumours that he was willing to go on strike if he didn't get the move. So isn't this all pretty fucking pointless even from that point of view?

There were loads of bullshit rumours about Bellamy.

So what you are basically suggesting is that he never wanted to go to his native Cardiff? That the Club forced HIM, 14m asset, to go to, out of all the places, Cardiff? The place where Bellamy had said million times in the pst, he wanted to end his career?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

hahaha I just love reading threads where guys ignore each others arguments and overplay their own.

[Original Dub]

Bloody hell. Everyone seems to forget that he was pretty poor eversince Mancini came.

Besides, he'll probably spent year or two behind the bars with his assault charge. Hardly first time either.

Furthermore, I'm not sure what he would've done against Villa side that gave no space to run to anyway.

Quite nonsensical topic.

Obviously not - quite a lot of people agree with me. The fact that you don't doesn't make it nonsensical. Its two pages long with some interesting views both sides. That makes the topic quite relevant.

Also, the fact you wanted to contribute to such nonsence is a bit strange.

Now, the argument that pace wouldn't have made a difference against Villa in the last 20 mins is fucking ridiculous. An injection of pace always upsets a stuborn, but tiring defence. It is another option that we no longer have.

As for you Mr Genius - as arrogant as ever, you really have a shitty air about you - when you're finished urinating on yourself, maybe have a think that this topic wasn't started because we lost one game, but because for about the 5th or 6th time this season, I think being able to put Bellamy, or another lightening quick attacker on would have really benefited us greatly.

Aside from Tevez he was our best player last season. Anyone who thinks he couldn't hack coming off the bench and making a difference has a very short memory.

NQDP you never liked him and you looked a bit of a cock when he proved you wrong. It seems that has stuck with you because it nearly sounds like you'd like him to get locked up for some reason?!

Anyway, anyone who doesn't think having nobody in the side with lightening pace isn't affecting us can kiss my hairy balls. Its a fucking STUPID argument.

Really? So you think it's cool that he goes beating up people? I'd want him locked up just as I'd want anyone with continuing violent tendencies locked up. He has been in anger management course in the past which obviously did fuck all to him. So yes, I think society should take different approach with him. Or are you saying he should get preferential treatment because he is a footballer?

And I didn't want him because he had questionable injury record and extremely questionable behavioural record. And because he is old and we paid absolutely ridiculous price for him. He cost us 1.1 million per goal in transfer fee alone. He is in trouble with law again. He couldn't train properly because his knee couldn't take it. NOW ARE YOU SAYING I WAS COMPLETELY OFF WITH THE REASONS WHY I DIDN'T WANT HIM?

It's YOUR opinion on a football matter that you think 10 man wall two inches from goalkeeper can be broken with pace. Frankly, I think it's completely wrong but then that's my opinion. Hardly me "urinating on myself" whatever that means.

CLAIMING that some results would've gone our away if we'd still had him is just argument based on nothing. He would've been there instead of other people and we might've ended up losing games we won if he had been there. Right? But then, you seem to claim that we only win with Bellamy on line up.

Mate the urinating comment for our arrogant genius friend, not you...

Now, whilst pace may not have been THE option against Villa it most certainly was AN option that we couldn't use. To bring on a lightening quick attacker to run at a defence that had been defending for most of the game would have caused new problems that could have at least afforded the likes of Tevez and Dzeko more space. That is without question and this has been the case a few times this season that I have noticed. An injection of pace upsets a tired defence. That is a fact. It is by no means a garauntee that you will score, but then again nothing is. It is a valuable option to have though and our's is out on loan.

Now while you try to tell the rest of the class that we paid a "ridiculous" amount of money for him (even though you know that was denied by the manager and it was closer to 10m), the vast majority of City fans know we got damn good value out of him and he was our SECOND BEST PLAYER last season, costing only a fraction of the price of quite a few others around him. He was cheaper than Gareth Barry.

You seem to think he should be locked up and he deserves a couple of years in jail because he goes around beating people up?

Your agenda stinks mate. If we were to believe what you're trying to tell us, we'd think Bellamy was a nasty criminal that offered us fuck all and we got ripped off when we bought him.

Everyone knows that is total horse shit.

Now, besides it actually being Bellamy - does it not worry you that we have no lightening quick attackers in our side? Because it sure as shit worries me, just as much as it worries me that when Silva is injured our link between midfield and attack is greatly depreciated.

We are the richest club in the world and we should have every weapon at our disposal. Letting a fantastic one leave on loan when he said he'd clean boots to stay at the club, never mind take to sitting on the bench for the most part, was a mistake. Not replacing that pace was a pure failure.

[DoomMerchant]

anyway, i still miss Craig Bellamy. And i think he's actually a good guy with good team spirit and not a rabble-rousing agitator who likes to beat people up for no reason, and if he was my neighbor i'd want our kids to hang out together and have he and his missus over for dinner.

Also, i wish he was on the roster of the manchester city football club this season because we could have used him like i can't even imagine.

cheers

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You seem to think he should be locked up and he deserves a couple of years in jail because he goes around beating people up?

Your agenda stinks mate. If we were to believe what you're trying to tell us, we'd think Bellamy was a nasty criminal that offered us fuck all and we got ripped off when we bought him.

Everyone knows that is total horse shit.

What Bellamy offered us and should he go to jail are two completely different discussions. I don't care if he is the best player in the world or worst or footballer or janitor, if he keeps beating people up and doesn't respond to anger management, he needs to do time. I wouldn't go as far as give him any sort of sentence though. I leave that to the judge.

And I got no agenda. It's true I didn't want Bellamy for reasons that proved out to be partially correct and partially wrong. He DID however do business for us for a while and therefore served his purpose. I'm not going to take that away from him. However, right now we have tons of better players than him and there wouldn't really be room for him anymore. Why clown like Jo or underachiever like Barry get playing time? I don't know but I'm not happy about it either.

[the_georgian_genius]

Would Bellamy have been a great sub to come on and make an impact? Of course he fucking would.
Would Bellamy have been the difference between winning the league and not? Of course he fucking wouldn't.

Bellamy is a decent player, who is a nightmare to have around the place for the majoirty of managers, who at his age doesn't want to be a bit part player and who wouldn't get in our team everyweek.

I just find it amusing that whenever we are doing well and Bellamy is not making any noises, nothing is said, it was the right move, then when we lose for the first time in 17 or so games and he scores that same day, all of a sudden we miss him badly and he would be the difference between finishing 2nd and winning the league. What possible proof or reasoning is behind these ludicris statements? His medal collection? or his 6 months exceptional form for us?

[Beefymcfc]

To be honest, I think Bellers has more in common with the club and fans than Mancio has.