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Re: Edin

Postby Chinners » Sun May 08, 2011 9:53 am

Fesan wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just not seeing enough sorry. For 26 million I really expected a real top class player. Maybe next season he'll show it. He needs to.


Both Kompany and De Jong were pretty average (Kompany maybe even alittle bad?) in their first season and look at them now. Some players hit the groud running while others need a season to adjust to the PL. Even Silva almost never played the first 3-4 months.

I won't judge Kolarov or Dzeko untill atleast christmas next season:-)


I'll go along with that ... althou Kolarov will need to impress way before Christmas for me.
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Re: Edin

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 08, 2011 9:55 am

Fesan wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just not seeing enough sorry. For 26 million I really expected a real top class player. Maybe next season he'll show it. He needs to.


Both Kompany and De Jong were pretty average (Kompany maybe even alittle bad?) in their first season and look at them now. Some players hit the groud running while others need a season to adjust to the PL. Even Silva almost never played the first 3-4 months.

I won't judge Kolarov or Dzeko untill atleast christmas next season:-)

But he just seems so off the pace. His first touch at times is woeful. And we can't have a striker with a poor touch. He doesn't strike you with confidence. He's been poor so far, no getting around the fact. Lets not make excuses for him, I fully expect a 100% better season next season.
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Re: Edin

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun May 08, 2011 10:17 am

He showed some real class touches 2nd half. If he starts to knock in the 20 yarders & gets the odd tap in, he'll be a valuable member of the squad & maybe eventually our main striker but he's absolutely not the player we needed.

We needed an Andy Carroll, LLorente, type player; someone with real power as a plan B, who could counter teams like Everton & Stoke. Alternatively a back up to Tevez; a little fighter. Dzeko may do well eventually but at the moment has the occasional class touch but no pace or power. We already had Adebayor doing exactly the same job but with more pace. Had we signed a more suitable striker who was instantly suited to the Prem, we may have won the league.

We need to sign one for next season, whether Tevez stays or not. Let Dzeko & Balotelli battle for a place & if they can't get in, fuck them off. We're not a proving ground for wannabes we're supposed to be trying to win everything.
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Re: Edin

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun May 08, 2011 10:32 am

Ted Hughes wrote:He showed some real class touches 2nd half. If he starts to knock in the 20 yarders & gets the odd tap in, he'll be a valuable member of the squad & maybe eventually our main striker but he's absolutely not the player we needed.

We needed an Andy Carroll, LLorente, type player; someone with real power as a plan B, who could counter teams like Everton & Stoke. Alternatively a back up to Tevez; a little fighter. Dzeko may do well eventually but at the moment has the occasional class touch but no pace or power. We already had Adebayor doing exactly the same job but with more pace. Had we signed a more suitable striker who was instantly suited to the Prem, we may have won the league.

We need to sign one for next season, whether Tevez stays or not. Let Dzeko & Balotelli battle for a place & if they can't get in, fuck them off. We're not a proving ground for wannabes we're supposed to be trying to win everything.


We bought a proven striker in Dzeko - look at his record in Germany and internationally. He has adjusted to the premier league yet and we just have to hope he does for next season. There's no guarantee that Llorente would have done any better. Tevez was terrible for West Ham till the end of the season - giving Dzeko the same time would take him into the summer, so let's wait till August before judging him.

Carroll, if fit, may have made a difference, but that is perhaps what Hughes was trying to do - buying mainly players who were already proven in the league to reduce the risk. Doesn't always work though - Adebayor, RSC, Lescott, Milner
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Re: Edin

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 08, 2011 10:37 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:He showed some real class touches 2nd half. If he starts to knock in the 20 yarders & gets the odd tap in, he'll be a valuable member of the squad & maybe eventually our main striker but he's absolutely not the player we needed.

We needed an Andy Carroll, LLorente, type player; someone with real power as a plan B, who could counter teams like Everton & Stoke. Alternatively a back up to Tevez; a little fighter. Dzeko may do well eventually but at the moment has the occasional class touch but no pace or power. We already had Adebayor doing exactly the same job but with more pace. Had we signed a more suitable striker who was instantly suited to the Prem, we may have won the league.

We need to sign one for next season, whether Tevez stays or not. Let Dzeko & Balotelli battle for a place & if they can't get in, fuck them off. We're not a proving ground for wannabes we're supposed to be trying to win everything.


We bought a proven striker in Dzeko - look at his record in Germany and internationally. He has adjusted to the premier league yet and we just have to hope he does for next season. There's no guarantee that Llorente would have done any better. Tevez was terrible for West Ham till the end of the season - giving Dzeko the same time would take him into the summer, so let's wait till August before judging him.

Carroll, if fit, may have made a difference, but that is perhaps what Hughes was trying to do - buying mainly players who were already proven in the league to reduce the risk. Doesn't always work though - Adebayor, RSC, Lescott, Milner

Proven in foreign leagues?
May i refer the honourable gentleman to Afonso Alves, Georgious Samaras, Andrie Shevchenko and Kezman.
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Re: Edin

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun May 08, 2011 10:42 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:He showed some real class touches 2nd half. If he starts to knock in the 20 yarders & gets the odd tap in, he'll be a valuable member of the squad & maybe eventually our main striker but he's absolutely not the player we needed.

We needed an Andy Carroll, LLorente, type player; someone with real power as a plan B, who could counter teams like Everton & Stoke. Alternatively a back up to Tevez; a little fighter. Dzeko may do well eventually but at the moment has the occasional class touch but no pace or power. We already had Adebayor doing exactly the same job but with more pace. Had we signed a more suitable striker who was instantly suited to the Prem, we may have won the league.

We need to sign one for next season, whether Tevez stays or not. Let Dzeko & Balotelli battle for a place & if they can't get in, fuck them off. We're not a proving ground for wannabes we're supposed to be trying to win everything.


We bought a proven striker in Dzeko - look at his record in Germany and internationally. He has adjusted to the premier league yet and we just have to hope he does for next season. There's no guarantee that Llorente would have done any better. Tevez was terrible for West Ham till the end of the season - giving Dzeko the same time would take him into the summer, so let's wait till August before judging him.

Carroll, if fit, may have made a difference, but that is perhaps what Hughes was trying to do - buying mainly players who were already proven in the league to reduce the risk. Doesn't always work though - Adebayor, RSC, Lescott, Milner


Adebayor was doing fine when Bob played him. Not another Drogba I admit but way better than Dzeko & Balotelli have done so far. Lescott imo is currently our best central defender & Milner looks fine to me when played in his proper position. RSC was finished & shouldn't have passed the medical.

Lllorente is much tougher than Dzeko so would be able to play in the Prem. Imo Dzeko doesn't have to score to be effective, just improve the team in an area we lack; give us something different. Lllorente or Carroll would have done that.

I feared that Dzeko would struggle to adapt & initially I was delighted as I thought he'd cracked it but now he looks exactly like I thought he would. He has talent & may adapt to be a real top striker but equally, he may be unsuited to the league & not tough enough. He was & is a gamble. We should have signed him as 4th striker not 2nd or 3rd.
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Re: Edin

Postby Original Dub » Sun May 08, 2011 10:58 am

Same argument every fucking week. He will not prosper up front on his won with no out and out wingers. I knew this before he joined and nothing has changed me mind.

I'm also aware of the fact that the German league is a far stronger league than the likes of the dutch league... and he won POTY due to his outstanding goal scoring. There is also the fact that he has a brilliant goal scoring record at international level - better than one in two. You're talking about a player that has broken several records and was nominated for World Player of the Year.

He is not Kezman or Alves or any other donkey you try to compare him to. Since January, he has scored more goals than Fernando Torres.

So give the guy a fucking chance to settle. If he's playing in a system that suits him for a run of games next season and he's not scoring, then we'll sell him and the snipers will have had their wish, but its not really worth debating every week when conditions aren't changing.

As Ted mentioned, he was not the player we needed, given the type of system we play, so if you want to moan every week, moan about Roberto Mancini or Brian Merwood.
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Re: Edin

Postby Dameerto » Sun May 08, 2011 11:00 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Fesan wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just not seeing enough sorry. For 26 million I really expected a real top class player. Maybe next season he'll show it. He needs to.


Both Kompany and De Jong were pretty average (Kompany maybe even alittle bad?) in their first season and look at them now. Some players hit the groud running while others need a season to adjust to the PL. Even Silva almost never played the first 3-4 months.

I won't judge Kolarov or Dzeko untill atleast christmas next season:-)

But he just seems so off the pace. His first touch at times is woeful. And we can't have a striker with a poor touch. He doesn't strike you with confidence. He's been poor so far, no getting around the fact. Lets not make excuses for him, I fully expect a 100% better season next season.


The way he made himself half a yard to get his shot off from the edge of the area was quality, sooner or later they'll go in for him.
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Re: Edin

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 08, 2011 11:11 am

What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.
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Re: Edin

Postby Original Dub » Sun May 08, 2011 11:16 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.


It is not absolutely irrelevant... it could not be more relevant when asking for patience.

The fact you have already made up your mind about a striker that has achieved so much says more about you than it does about Dzeko. What he did in the past was play in a system that suits him and that is why he was so successful - the best player in the entire league and nominated for the Ballon D'Or.

You just brush off the fact that he's being played in a system that basolutely does not suit him and put it down to him not being able to play in the premier league, when he has scored more goals that the "proven" Fernando Torres.

Have a bit of patience and stop comparing him to Alfonso Alves, there's a good lad.
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Re: Edin

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 08, 2011 11:51 am

Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.


It is not absolutely irrelevant... it could not be more relevant when asking for patience.

The fact you have already made up your mind about a striker that has achieved so much says more about you than it does about Dzeko. What he did in the past was play in a system that suits him and that is why he was so successful - the best player in the entire league and nominated for the Ballon D'Or.

You just brush off the fact that he's being played in a system that basolutely does not suit him and put it down to him not being able to play in the premier league, when he has scored more goals that the "proven" Fernando Torres.

Have a bit of patience and stop comparing him to Alfonso Alves, there's a good lad.

Proven means proven in the Premier League. Torres has already proven so much in the Premier League. There is absolute evidence to suggest he'll come good.

He could of won every award for the past ten years, until he plays well for us it's irrelevant.
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Re: Edin

Postby Original Dub » Sun May 08, 2011 11:53 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.


It is not absolutely irrelevant... it could not be more relevant when asking for patience.

The fact you have already made up your mind about a striker that has achieved so much says more about you than it does about Dzeko. What he did in the past was play in a system that suits him and that is why he was so successful - the best player in the entire league and nominated for the Ballon D'Or.

You just brush off the fact that he's being played in a system that basolutely does not suit him and put it down to him not being able to play in the premier league, when he has scored more goals that the "proven" Fernando Torres.

Have a bit of patience and stop comparing him to Alfonso Alves, there's a good lad.

Proven means proven in the Premier League. Torres has already proven so much in the Premier League. There is absolute evidence to suggest he'll come good.

He could of won every award for the past ten years, until he plays well for us it's irrelevant.


Don't be so silly, of course its relevant, otherwise we'd have signed him on a free.
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Re: Edin

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun May 08, 2011 11:59 am

Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.


It is not absolutely irrelevant... it could not be more relevant when asking for patience.

The fact you have already made up your mind about a striker that has achieved so much says more about you than it does about Dzeko. What he did in the past was play in a system that suits him and that is why he was so successful - the best player in the entire league and nominated for the Ballon D'Or.

You just brush off the fact that he's being played in a system that basolutely does not suit him and put it down to him not being able to play in the premier league, when he has scored more goals that the "proven" Fernando Torres.

Have a bit of patience and stop comparing him to Alfonso Alves, there's a good lad.

Proven means proven in the Premier League. Torres has already proven so much in the Premier League. There is absolute evidence to suggest he'll come good.

He could of won every award for the past ten years, until he plays well for us it's irrelevant.


Don't be so silly, of course its relevant, otherwise we'd have signed him on a free.


How many times have you seen foriegn players fail to adapt to the Premier League? Too many.

You saw our system doesn't suit him? Well for 26 million he should be able to suit any system.
Yesterday we got plenty of crosses in. Like Silva in the first half, he should of been gambling to get to that far post yet he was just stood there.

he is absolutely no better than Adebayor.
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Re: Edin

Postby Original Dub » Sun May 08, 2011 12:03 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:What he did in his past is absolutely irrelevant. He could of scored 1000 goals in the German league, means jack shit unless he can do it in the Premier League.


It is not absolutely irrelevant... it could not be more relevant when asking for patience.

The fact you have already made up your mind about a striker that has achieved so much says more about you than it does about Dzeko. What he did in the past was play in a system that suits him and that is why he was so successful - the best player in the entire league and nominated for the Ballon D'Or.

You just brush off the fact that he's being played in a system that basolutely does not suit him and put it down to him not being able to play in the premier league, when he has scored more goals that the "proven" Fernando Torres.

Have a bit of patience and stop comparing him to Alfonso Alves, there's a good lad.

Proven means proven in the Premier League. Torres has already proven so much in the Premier League. There is absolute evidence to suggest he'll come good.

He could of won every award for the past ten years, until he plays well for us it's irrelevant.


Don't be so silly, of course its relevant, otherwise we'd have signed him on a free.


How many times have you seen foriegn players fail to adapt to the Premier League? Too many.

You saw our system doesn't suit him? Well for 26 million he should be able to suit any system.
Yesterday we got plenty of crosses in. Like Silva in the first half, he should of been gambling to get to that far post yet he was just stood there.

he is absolutely no better than Adebayor.



How many times have you seen players from a foreign league take a season to settle? Nearly every fucking time.

Drogba, De Jong, Kompany, Tevez... could go on and on.

So lets get this straight then - your mind is already made up and he is shite?
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