smj996c wrote:ross.mcfc wrote:Admittedly its from the Scottish Football Refs guidlines but
"any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind, using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
I do not think we will win an appeal.
Grounds for optimism perhaps?
"The ruling for a two-footed challenge is that the moment a player leaves the floor, he is not in control of his own body," explained Referees' Development Officer for Manchester FA, Peter Roberts.
"If he takes the ball cleanly, it is a free-kick and a caution. If he takes the ball and the man, it is a free-kick and a dismissal for serious foul play.
"If he takes nothing of the ball and only the man, it is a dis- missal for serious foul play. The only instance in which he can escape a dismissal is if he takes the ball and not the man."
should be a good shout for appeal.
What is the source for those quotes? It's interesting. If all that is true no way it can be a red card.
For all those saying "He went in with 2 feet - automatic red. Should have known that". Well, no. You go in with 2 feet and get the player at all, even if you win the ball, its a red according to that. But if you go in and win the ball and don't get the player it is a yellow.
Seeing it in real time I thought it looked a bit dodgy but he won the ball, Nani didn't go down, Vince controlled it and kept playing and so did Nani. So how is that a red?
The animted GIF here makes it look bad because of the angle but I've now watched the replay a bunch and one thing that no one seems to be mentioning is that Nani NEVER HAD POSSESSION. That GIF makes it look like he was dribbling the ball and Vince came in 2 footed and scissored him. But the ball was ahead of Nani in a 50/50 and Vince won the ball clean and Nani was able to avoid the contact knowing he was beaten to the ball. So how is that a red card? Can a player get a red card for winning the ball in a 50/50 when his foot is not over the ball and he doesn't make contact with the other player? Is that possible?
As far as being out of control - Does Kompany go over the ball with his foot? NO. Does he go thru the ball? NO. He actually stops it with the side of his foot and his ankle. Foot level height wise with the ball. And the ball doesn't fly away from him. It stays right there and he plays it. And Nani never touched it. So how is that out of control? IT ISN'T.
So we have -
Nani never with possession. Nani never touching the ball. Nani never going down and continuing to play.
Kompany going hard but slowing as he approaches ball. Beating Nani to ball and stopping it with his foot around that ball not over or thru it with enough control to be able to retain possession and pop up and play it. Kompany never physically fouls Nani in the act. Everyone plays on.
Then 3 seconds later Rooney runs over waving his arms and we have a red card. Is that about it? Can it honestly be argued any other way. Foy can say whatever he wants "It looked bad. Went in with 2 feet. Etc., etc." But doesn't there have to be some sort of reckless foul on a player in possession of the ball to get a red card (other than violent conduct, spitting, and the like)?
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