How do we deal with the bias

[Blue2]

I contacted the FA just after the cc 1st leg, re the refereeing fuck ups/ bias. Finally got a response today....as follows :-






Dear Steve



Thank you for contacting The Football Association.


With regards to Glen Johnson, under FIFA guidelines, The FA only act retrospectively in off the ball 'not seen' scenarios, where the referee would have been unable to see a particular incident. Where an official has seen a coming together of players, regardless of the outcome, no retrospective action can be taken in accordance with FIFA guidance.


In relation to Vincent Kompany, as you are probably aware an Independent Regulatory Commission dismissed a claim of wrongful dismissal from following his red card for Serious Foul Play in The FA Cup Third Round tie between Manchester City v Manchester United on 8 January 2012.


Under guidelines from FIFA a Regulatory Commission must apply the test of whether a serious and obvious error has taken place. The Club has to submit clear and conclusive evidence that a wrongful dismissal has taken place. When such evidence is inconclusive the Regulatory Commission has no alternative but to dismiss the claim.

Whilst understanding your frustration as a football fan, every supporter will have an opinion on the game’s major talking points and we’re always interested to hear them. The Football Association receives frequent correspondence on individual refereeing decisions across all levels of football as well as on the performance of referees in general. It is important to understand that without a referee there is no game and as a result the long-term health of football relies on recruiting, retaining and developing referees. Whilst 100% consistency is impossible when human judgment is introduced into a situation, referees get the overwhelmingly majority of decisions right. In fact they are arguably the most consistent people in the game making split-second decisions that will be analysed repeatedly by slow motion cameras and panels of football experts.

There is a system in place for monitoring the performance of referees and referee's assistants. This involves referees assessors and reports from club managers. All assessors come from a footballing background and the majority are fully qualified referees themselves. The performances of referees over a season are then taken into consideration when the leagues appoint their referees for the following season.

We do appreciate all of the feedback we receive from supporters. This feedback is collated and used to build a picture of public opinion and is subsequently fed back internally within the organisation. Please rest assured your comments will form part of this feedback process.

Thank you again for taking the time to write to us.

Kind regards


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Usual bollocks, cop out really

[john68]

Nice try Bluey, I would be interested in what you originally said to them, as they say your comments will be fed back into their system.
I don't suppose that you expected the FA to reply any differently...Why should they rock the boat when they own the shipping line?
It has to be the best self serving judicial system ever. The accused is the judge and jury. "Phil, did you fuck up?"..."No"..."Ok Phil, that's that then"

[aaron bond]

With regards to Glen Johnson, under FIFA guidelines, The FA only act retrospectively in off the ball 'not seen' scenarios, where the referee would have been unable to see a particular incident. Where an official has seen a coming together of players, regardless of the outcome, no retrospective action can be taken in accordance with FIFA guidance.

Now this is the bit I don't get. The FA have dished out this line for years. However, when Ben Thatcher elbowed and knocked out Pedro Mendes a few years back when playing for us, he was booked by the ref. After the game, the FA then stepped in further and suspended him because it should have been a red card.

The reality was the suspension was the right thing as what Thatcher did was totally out of order. But that situation proved that the FA CAN take retrospective action even if a referee did see the incident.

I found this article from the BBC website that states that the FA circumvented their own rules to deal with the Thatcher situation:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 339964.stm

There are so many holes in what the FA says it's riduclous!

[s1ty m]

I will get slated for this but when I saw the handball first off, I thought pen, its only when its replayed you get to see its not. I can't really fault him as he didn't have the benefit of sky tv replays. It did happen really fast. Video tech must surely be considered.

That's exactly what I thought too. But Dowd failed badly everywhere else.

[ashton287]

Start kidnapping refs and taking group shits on them every time they fuck us over.

Put city square to some use.

[Rag_hater]

Sack all referee's and have Ted,John,Beefy,Dub and a few others do it.Only City fans really.That should get rid of it.

[Hazy2]

Sack all referee's and have Ted,John,Beefy,Dub and a few others do it.Only City fans really.That should get rid of it.

David Bernstein did have this to a second vote but failed. Ah well Buzzer will do for the remaining home games..

[john68]

Sack all referee's and have Ted,John,Beefy,Dub and a few others do it.Only City fans really.That should get rid of it.

What a superb idea. Personally I would love to ref. Especially wearing those bright purpley shirts, they would match my complexion. I am a little short sighted, overweight, unfit, and there is absolutely no chance of me keeping up with play....Most importantly, I am biased....I am perfect for the job.

I would also add another coloured card to the red and yellow...It would be blue and would mean that any player who I showed one to would have to continue playing with one leg tied up his back...like an actor when playing the Long Jon Silver role.

[MARKMAKAVELI]

TAKE A SCATTER-GUN APPROACH APPEAL FOR EVERYTHING AND HOPE YOU SOME. City players are so passive, I sometimes get more frustrated with fair play. Barry should never have got up from Gerrards tackle, if it was thE other way round he would have been milking it. Smarten the fuck up and play the game, we are to NICE.

I get what you’re saying but I would hate to become one of those teams. The snideness, diving and cheating is a cancer in the game therefore I can’t support a “if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em” stance. Don’t watch El Classico anymore coz of it. Makes me sick.

[Chinners]

So as not to fall foul of the racist behaviour guidelines, (currently you would be discriminating against the Mexicans, Chiniese and Eskimo's) you will need to have a Black and Yellow card and will to have ensure that you flourish them regularly and equally by the end of the match.

[Florida Blue]

Actually addressing the question posed by the OP;

I see no gain in how City seem to be dealing with this issue at the moment. By crying wolf after every match, we are simply allowing ourselves to be portrayed as whingers by a biased media, who have their own agenda. We are making it easy for our critics to target us as bitter and bad losers. We need to deal with this at a higher level and with a great deal of dignity.

I have posted previously that City should officially ask for a meeting with the FA and the referees' controller and request clarification on this issue of "Why City seem to be being punished,when identical incidents concerning other clubs are going unpunished. "We would be seeking clarification so that we could correct any confusion within our own club.

The object of that would be that we would get the chance to address our complaints at the highest and most relevent level, without any apparent public criticism of the authorities. Thus we would also negate any chance of the media ripping into us.

We may find that the answers we get would be interesting too.

I like this John. Last year in the NHL playoffs the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks took to the media and said look at the statistics, we are being unfairly called out versus our opponents. Now right or wrong, the very next game there seemed to be an impact in Vancouver's favor. Mom always said it is the squeaky whell that gets the oil.

[Rag_hater]

Actually addressing the question posed by the OP;

I see no gain in how City seem to be dealing with this issue at the moment. By crying wolf after every match, we are simply allowing ourselves to be portrayed as whingers by a biased media, who have their own agenda. We are making it easy for our critics to target us as bitter and bad losers. We need to deal with this at a higher level and with a great deal of dignity.

I have posted previously that City should officially ask for a meeting with the FA and the referees' controller and request clarification on this issue of "Why City seem to be being punished,when identical incidents concerning other clubs are going unpunished. "We would be seeking clarification so that we could correct any confusion within our own club.

The object of that would be that we would get the chance to address our complaints at the highest and most relevent level, without any apparent public criticism of the authorities. Thus we would also negate any chance of the media ripping into us.

We may find that the answers we get would be interesting too.

I like this John. Last year in the NHL playoffs the general manager of the Vancouver Canucks took to the media and said look at the statistics, we are being unfairly called out versus our opponents. Now right or wrong, the very next game there seemed to be an impact in Vancouver's favor. Mom always said it is the squeaky whell that gets the oil.

Those comments seem to suggest that the people in contol are doing the actions they are due to incompetence rather than an agenda against us.If thats the case then surely any conspiracy doesn't exist.If however they are doing it on purpose firstly they are doing a shit job letting us be at the top of the table and secondly if they have decided to fuck us up then whats the point of trying to change them from whom they have picked to support.Surley thats pissing up a hill,if they are against us fuck em we are doing well as much as they are trying.

[john68]

If you say so!!!!

[simon12]

we`re top of the league
We`re top of the leeeeaaaague
The FA can`t stop us
We`re top of the league


As sang at the dippers and should be every game from now on.

[Bluez]

With regards to Glen Johnson, under FIFA guidelines, The FA only act retrospectively in off the ball 'not seen' scenarios, where the referee would have been unable to see a particular incident. Where an official has seen a coming together of players, regardless of the outcome, no retrospective action can be taken in accordance with FIFA guidance.

Now this is the bit I don't get. The FA have dished out this line for years. However, when Ben Thatcher elbowed and knocked out Pedro Mendes a few years back when playing for us, he was booked by the ref. After the game, the FA then stepped in further and suspended him because it should have been a red card.

What I don't get is ok the rules are he saw it so the FA can't do anything later. Fine, that's the rules. But if he saw it, how can he think it's not a red card after what happened with Kompany a few days before? And as the appeal confirmed Kompanys was a red, why did the FA not punish the ref for not giving an obvious red card when he saw what happened?
That's the inconsistency everyone is going on about.

[ashton287]

Yeah if we give in and start acting like them now then we lose and football loses. Not only would we be crucified after every game for diving, surrounding the ref and such but we would be saying that the only way to win is to play bent.

The bullshit in the papers pisses me off and the blatant biased reffing makes me want to fucking kill someone but at the end of the season we will be able to laugh in every rag cunts faces when all they can say to us is "yeah but you bought the league". We win the league this year by carrying on doing what we are doing and we set a precedent. We put a marker down that says "we won, fair and fucking square. Go fuck yourselves because we're off to buy a few new players and do it all again next year and your cheating won't get you anywhere but SECOND AGAIN". It might not be noticed at first but what we are doing by standing up to sky, dismantling the status quo and by walking right through everything the FA and the media throw at us is what football needs.

[Rag_hater]

I suppose the people who have been moaning have it right.It's what the "big" teams do so I should probably do the same thing.Carry on gentlemen,I realise now moaning like them rag fuckers is the way forward.

[feedthegreek]

Yeah if we give in and start acting like them now then we lose and football loses. Not only would we be crucified after every game for diving, surrounding the ref and such but we would be saying that the only way to win is to play bent.

The bullshit in the papers pisses me off and the blatant biased reffing makes me want to fucking kill someone but at the end of the season we will be able to laugh in every rag cunts faces when all they can say to us is "yeah but you bought the league". We win the league this year by carrying on doing what we are doing and we set a precedent. We put a marker down that says "we won, fair and fucking square. Go fuck yourselves because we're off to buy a few new players and do it all again next year and your cheating won't get you anywhere but SECOND AGAIN". It might not be noticed at first but what we are doing by standing up to sky, dismantling the status quo and by walking right through everything the FA and the media throw at us is what football needs.

this, its corruption on a massive scale needs investigating really a panorama special. and the w------ in themedia over here call fifa.
that not getting the world cup really pissed them all off bigstyle. cameron beckham and prince william all lobbying and they got 1 vote.
thinking back now how sweet is that.

[halnone]

there's no bias at all. you all need to stop moaning

(only joking)

[johnny crossan]

We can have video evidence used against us, but when it might actually be of use to us it is thrown out and we get lengthy bans rushed through with unseemly haste. Balotelli - banned for four games based on video evidence. Kompany - banned for four games and video evidence ignored. This kind of kangaroo court belongs to a totalitarian dictatorship.

we could all send these gifs to the FA every day for a decade