Premier league reality

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

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But it's the video game thinking behind this. You just BUY BUY BUY and that means we just win everything. That's not how it works in real life.

So what do you do then? In the players that will change us in summer I don't see anyone saying let's keep the same 25 and with the extra experience and some coaching they'll be good enough. So what is needed then - time or new players? If the latter, will next year just be another year of getting to know each other?

Go check my post in that very topic. For me we have one clear NEED and that is top quality centerback to be in the mix for starting place instead Lescott/Kompany when suspensions and injuries inevitably mount up. I'd also like to have some sort of midfield general to help Silva/give rest to Yaya/replace De Jong or Barry/provide depth with Milner. Other than that FOR ME we need stability and let players gel. Another summer of huge squad turnover would be nothing but detrimental imo.

I very much think that apart from bit of depth in quality we have really really good players who just need time.

[Beefymcfc]

Has anybody found the 'What Do You Expect From This Season?' thread, or words to that effect, as I couldn't find it?

I'd like to see what I put as a targe for this season.

[lets all have a disco]

Im gonna stop going on about being a realist and let it flow then on Sunday see what the general feeling is.

Keep my powder dry and save the posts about being a cheese munching surrender monkey.

[Rag_hater]

For too many years I have defended City against the rags and other fans, against out of context media reportage that has twisted and stories and lies manufactured to attack our club. Now I find that I am having to defend City from City fans themselves. I come on here and thread after thread is like reading through a huge never ending suicide note of bleating, whingeing and disgruntled fans.

City spends millions = the best squad = City MUST win the League = coming 2nd is NOT good enough = FAILURE. Sorry folks, that equation never stacked up in the past, doesn't now and no matter what the likes of Merson, Custis, Lawrenson, Green, Hanson, or anyone else tells you, it doesn't stack upnow and it never will in the future. GET REAL.

I don't doubt the genuine and gut wrenching disappointments of the last few weeks are real and painful, I feel them too but it is senseless and the only thing it damages is CITY. The rags and the media must be sat round laughing their heads off at the results of their work. They have helped build unreal expectation "City must win the League this season"..."City are favourites"..."City can only throw it away"..."If City lose it now, they will have failed"..."Mancini has lost control of the dressing room"..."There is no plan B"..."Mancini has lost it under pressure"..."City have capitulated"...and now are having a field day at yours and City's expense. Non of it is true.

Does anyone truly think that it's reasonable to build a Premier League wining side in a couple of years...Obviously, there are some idiots who do. Never been done before, by any club, any manager, at any time. We are the nearest anyone has ever got to doing it and we are so near it. We may be dropping behind in the race but with 7 games to go we are still hanging on with a chance. If we should do it,and we can, IT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RISE IN ANY TEAM....EVER.

check out some facts...then wobble yer heads.

That's it.
I never EXPECTED us to win the league. I wanted improvement on points tally (check), position (check) and how we play (check, check). How far that takes us depends(/ended) on many many variables. This year, as it happens, rags are fucking deadly and will take the title. Doesn't mean WE have done badly ourselves.

But it's the video game thinking behind this. You just BUY BUY BUY and that means we just win everything. That's not how it works in real life.

In my real life people with the most money can win everything by buy buy buy

[Foreverinbluedreams]

For too many years I have defended City against the rags and other fans, against out of context media reportage that has twisted and stories and lies manufactured to attack our club. Now I find that I am having to defend City from City fans themselves. I come on here and thread after thread is like reading through a huge never ending suicide note of bleating, whingeing and disgruntled fans.

City spends millions = the best squad = City MUST win the League = coming 2nd is NOT good enough = FAILURE. Sorry folks, that equation never stacked up in the past, doesn't now and no matter what the likes of Merson, Custis, Lawrenson, Green, Hanson, or anyone else tells you, it doesn't stack upnow and it never will in the future. GET REAL.

I don't doubt the genuine and gut wrenching disappointments of the last few weeks are real and painful, I feel them too but it is senseless and the only thing it damages is CITY. The rags and the media must be sat round laughing their heads off at the results of their work. They have helped build unreal expectation "City must win the League this season"..."City are favourites"..."City can only throw it away"..."If City lose it now, they will have failed"..."Mancini has lost control of the dressing room"..."There is no plan B"..."Mancini has lost it under pressure"..."City have capitulated"...and now are having a field day at yours and City's expense. Non of it is true.

Does anyone truly think that it's reasonable to build a Premier League wining side in a couple of years...Obviously, there are some idiots who do. Never been done before, by any club, any manager, at any time. We are the nearest anyone has ever got to doing it and we are so near it. We may be dropping behind in the race but with 7 games to go we are still hanging on with a chance. If we should do it,and we can, IT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RISE IN ANY TEAM....EVER.

check out some facts...then wobble yer heads.

That's it.
I never EXPECTED us to win the league. I wanted improvement on points tally (check), position (check) and how we play (check, check). How far that takes us depends(/ended) on many many variables. This year, as it happens, rags are fucking deadly and will take the title. Doesn't mean WE have done badly ourselves.

But it's the video game thinking behind this. You just BUY BUY BUY and that means we just win everything. That's not how it works in real life.

In my real life people with the most money can win everything by buy buy buy

Like Real Madrid?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

For too many years I have defended City against the rags and other fans, against out of context media reportage that has twisted and stories and lies manufactured to attack our club. Now I find that I am having to defend City from City fans themselves. I come on here and thread after thread is like reading through a huge never ending suicide note of bleating, whingeing and disgruntled fans.

City spends millions = the best squad = City MUST win the League = coming 2nd is NOT good enough = FAILURE. Sorry folks, that equation never stacked up in the past, doesn't now and no matter what the likes of Merson, Custis, Lawrenson, Green, Hanson, or anyone else tells you, it doesn't stack upnow and it never will in the future. GET REAL.

I don't doubt the genuine and gut wrenching disappointments of the last few weeks are real and painful, I feel them too but it is senseless and the only thing it damages is CITY. The rags and the media must be sat round laughing their heads off at the results of their work. They have helped build unreal expectation "City must win the League this season"..."City are favourites"..."City can only throw it away"..."If City lose it now, they will have failed"..."Mancini has lost control of the dressing room"..."There is no plan B"..."Mancini has lost it under pressure"..."City have capitulated"...and now are having a field day at yours and City's expense. Non of it is true.

Does anyone truly think that it's reasonable to build a Premier League wining side in a couple of years...Obviously, there are some idiots who do. Never been done before, by any club, any manager, at any time. We are the nearest anyone has ever got to doing it and we are so near it. We may be dropping behind in the race but with 7 games to go we are still hanging on with a chance. If we should do it,and we can, IT WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RISE IN ANY TEAM....EVER.

check out some facts...then wobble yer heads.

That's it.
I never EXPECTED us to win the league. I wanted improvement on points tally (check), position (check) and how we play (check, check). How far that takes us depends(/ended) on many many variables. This year, as it happens, rags are fucking deadly and will take the title. Doesn't mean WE have done badly ourselves.

But it's the video game thinking behind this. You just BUY BUY BUY and that means we just win everything. That's not how it works in real life.

In my real life people with the most money can win everything by buy buy buy

Yeah, I've noticed before that we live in completely different reality.

[Ted Hughes]

That's the point; our team has been built up from a relegation squad, not a top 6 squad which needed tweaking.

We have effectively turned over four teams in the space of a few years. Sven had to build a top half team from a relegation team. Hughes had to tutn over some of those players to build a top 6 challenging team from a middling team. Bob had to turn over some more players to go from a top 6 team to a top 4 team & then more changes to go from a team which was elated to get top four, to a team which takes top 4 for granted & will be dissapointed if it doesn't get top 1.

It used to be possible to do that back in the 70's when it was a level playing field, but since the Sky money & the Champion's League cash, not only has nobody done anything like that in a short spell but they haven't even had a sniff of doing it.

Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal were all involved at te top level for years, as were Liverpool.

When Ferguson took over the rags, he had the equivalent spending power we have now & spent it. Then struggled for years.

City have moved mountains, irrespective of the money spent & next season, a couple of new faces will move us up another level.

Nobody can ever guarantee to win a title (most on here would have had Barca nailed on), & that's how it should be: always.

All you can expect each season is a decent challenge & HOPE to come out on top. Anything else would make football boring.

[john68]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

[Sideshow Bob]

not only has nobody done anything like that in a short spell but they haven't even had a sniff of doing it.

blackburn?

[DoomMerchant]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

you need to get on twitter. i want you edited down to 140 chars. Go on a forum diet. Follow Carl's lead here. A man of few words, but i can read them all without needed a pee break.

cheers

[DoomMerchant]

Im gonna stop going on about being a realist and let it flow then on Sunday see what the general feeling is.

Keep my powder dry and save the posts about being a cheese munching surrender monkey.

epic climbdown. The quitter, unquits? fuck me...come on now!

Was it over in Wales or not?

cheers

[Rag_hater]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

[Beefymcfc]

Listening to Keys and Gray yesterday, Keys was quickly reading through the papers before a break and mentioned the piece on Mancini possibly being sacked. Gray, who was totally surprised and with a sneering laug said 'You what, you've got to be joking ain't ya' before cutting to a break. Afterwards he was taken aback by how it had been reported and how City fans were of the opinion that Mancini should go.

Just thought I'd share.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

How old are you?

Pretty endless funds yes.

[john68]

Doomie,
I think you are right Mate. I surrender. I think it would be best for my own health and mental stability to wander off and ignore the inmates or just nod my head and smile. No matter how much sense you show them, no matter how much proof you give them, no matter how much reality you give them, they operate on a different rationality. A different sense of negative logic. FUCK EM!!!

Now then, where's that blunt butter knife, I have my wrists to slash.

[Rag_hater]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

How old are you?

Pretty endless funds yes.

Old enough to remember a guys called Knighton & Edwards who fucked them up financially.They did not have access to limitless funds from what I remember.Was a kid at the time though so not 100% sure what went on but they were not mega rich like we are now

[DoomMerchant]

Doomie,
I think you are right Mate. I surrender. I think it would be best for my own health and mental stability to wander off and ignore the inmates or just nod my head and smile. No matter how much sense you show them, no matter how much proof you give them, no matter how much reality you give them, they operate on a different rationality. A different sense of negative logic. FUCK EM!!!

Now then, where's that blunt butter knife, I have my wrists to slash.

I have an idea. More later.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

How old are you?

Pretty endless funds yes.

Old enough to remember a guys called Knighton & Edwards who fucked them up financially.They did not have access to limitless funds from what I remember.Was a kid at the time though so not 100% sure what went on but they were not mega rich like we are now

They were mega rich enough to constantly break all sorts of transfer records (Pallister, Keane, Hughes etc)

[Ted Hughes]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

How old are you?

Pretty endless funds yes.

Old enough to remember a guys called Knighton & Edwards who fucked them up financially.They did not have access to limitless funds from what I remember.Was a kid at the time though so not 100% sure what went on but they were not mega rich like we are now

Compared to other teams at the time they were EXACTLY like we are now but without restictions, in fact the players they signed (to add to an already mega expensive title challenging squad built by Ron Atkinson etc) would be the modern day equivalent of signing Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Terry, Ferdinand, Bale, Ashley Cole, and about ten others all at their peak at modern day prices.

They already had Bryan Robson, who would cost £60 million & demand at least £250k pw if he was around today.

They signed EVERY top player available. In those days there weren't many overseas players so the top market players were British.

Bruce & Pallister were the two most sought after CB's in the country, wanted by every top club. Imagine a bidding war between the top 6 for two players today & how much it would then cost to buy them ? Imagine if Chelsea, rags, Liverpool etc had al been in for Lescott, how much he would of cost us, then double it. Then Paul Ince, Neil Webb, Danny Wallace, Mike Phelan ALL of the most highly rated up & coming England midfield. Once again, everyone wanted them but only one club could buy them.

Today, each would cost much more than Milner etc.

McClair from Celtic, Scotland's top striker, Hughes, Bayern Munich's top striker, on loan from Barcelona, Denis Irwin, the most sought after fullback, Paul Parker, another of England's top defenders, Roy Keane, the highest rated young midfielder in the country.
There were no Modric type bargains knocking about from abroad at that time, these were the top players available & Utd signed fucking ALL of them. They already had a top side which had almost won the league & added all those players and more besides.

Ferguson signed that lot & lost five one to our side with a bunch of kids in it.

[Beefymcfc]

I can't believe some of the stuff I am reading, it defies credibility. To think there are City fans who actually think it is reasonable to take on the rest of English football and over the course of a full season, do something that no other team has ever done in the modern age...shows that some City fans have no clue, no inkling and no idea of what ids needed to win the Premier League.

It isn't about just what we do, we are competition and it is also about what our competitors do. How they react to us. It is not about simply taking on and beating the like of the rags, who went through this very same process from 1986 until they first became successful in 1993. If not convinced by that, take a long look at Chelsea, they started buying big as far back as 1995 and they finally got to the top in 2005.

The rag's journey is also an interesting one to compare because like us, Taggart went for a rebuild. But unlike us, he did it with the backing of the club, the media and the fans. It was only at one point after a number of seasons that he was considered for the sack.

Maybe a boring chapter and verse is needed about the rags journey and its failures over years.

Did they have 15 Billion in the bank when they were fuckin around.

How old are you?

Pretty endless funds yes.

Old enough to remember a guys called Knighton & Edwards who fucked them up financially.They did not have access to limitless funds from what I remember.Was a kid at the time though so not 100% sure what went on but they were not mega rich like we are now

Compared to other teams at the time they were EXACTLY like we are now but without restictions, in fact the players they signed (to add to an already mega expensive title challenging squad built by Ron Atkinson etc) would be the modern day equivalent of signing Gerrard, Lampard, Owen, Terry, Ferdinand, Bale, Ashley Cole, and about ten others all at their peak at modern day prices.

They already had Bryan Robson, who would cost £60 million & demand at least £250k pw if he was around today.

They signed EVERY top player available. In those days there weren't many overseas players so the top market players were British.

Bruce & Pallister were the two most sought after CB's in the country, wanted by every top club. Imagine a bidding war between the top 6 for two players today & how much it would then cost to buy them ? Imagine if Chelsea, rags, Liverpool etc had al been in for Lescott, how much he would of cost us, then double it. Then Paul Ince, Neil Webb, Danny Wallace, Mike Phelan ALL of the most highly rated up & coming England midfield. Once again, everyone wanted them but only one club could buy them.

Today, each would cost much more than Milner etc.

McClair from Celtic, Scotland's top striker, Hughes, Bayern Munich's top striker, on loan from Barcelona, Denis Irwin, the most sought after fullback, Paul Parker, another of England's top defenders, Roy Keane, the highest rated young midfielder in the country.
There were no Modric type bargains knocking about from abroad at that time, these were the top players available & Utd signed fucking ALL of them. They already had a top side which had almost won the league & added all those players and more besides.

Ferguson signed that lot & lost five one to our side with a bunch of kids in it.

Education, I like it. And it moved on afterwards and to this present day. The media would now have us believe that United are doing it this year with a shit budget and with homegrown talent. Why is that I wonder?

They've got a 30 million pound striker that they don't even play ffs.