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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby john68 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:06 am

Slim wrote:
john68 wrote:
Esky wrote:I wonder when Redknapp's going to make a bid?


Twitchy tried to buy RVP just before Mrs VP gave birth. Twitchy understands these things.
Twitchy also could have bought;
The Pope,
The Dalai Llama,
Pele,
Abe Lincoln...and Michael Jackson.

Sadly, Twitchy is currently in hospital recovering from major surgery. John68 understands that he has jst had an unwound car window removed from his elbow and a microphone from under his nose.


The Dalai Lama's pet?


Twat...:-) Trust you to log on just as I fucled up....But if the DL's pet had any talent...Twitchy would have nearly bought it.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Slim » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:36 am

Oh wisest of all Llama's, tell us of Twitchy's next job.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:39 am

Slim wrote:
john68 wrote:
Esky wrote:I wonder when Redknapp's going to make a bid?


Twitchy tried to buy RVP just before Mrs VP gave birth. Twitchy understands these things.
Twitchy also could have bought;
The Pope,
The Dalai Llama,
Pele,
Abe Lincoln...and Michael Jackson.

Sadly, Twitchy is currently in hospital recovering from major surgery. John68 understands that he has jst had an unwound car window removed from his elbow and a microphone from under his nose.


The Dalai Lama's pet?

Called 'Rosie'.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby patrickblue » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:43 am

Slim wrote:
john68 wrote:
Esky wrote:I wonder when Redknapp's going to make a bid?


Twitchy tried to buy RVP just before Mrs VP gave birth. Twitchy understands these things.
Twitchy also could have bought;
The Pope,
The Dalai Llama,
Pele,
Abe Lincoln...and Michael Jackson.

Sadly, Twitchy is currently in hospital recovering from major surgery. John68 understands that he has jst had an unwound car window removed from his elbow and a microphone from under his nose.


The Dalai Lama's pet?



No, I think John meant THE Dalai Llama, the one who was in Manchester last month.

http://www.lgbtyouthnorthwest.org.uk/2012/06/dalai-llama-comes-to-manchester/

Then again, John may just have written the article.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby john68 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:43 pm

Thanks Paddy Blue...that's the feller....:-)
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby IanWright » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:47 pm

The opinions circulating around Goon-world are so very diverse. Some are saying sell to whichever club (would've been unheard of to sell to another EPL club 10 years ago) while Arsenal can. Others are saying let him play out the last season, perhaps on the bench. A small minority are hoping that he can play out the last season and make a Rooney/Tevez style U-turn (not realistic if Juve are willing to pay him 190k a week, methinks)

Personally? I think Arsenal WILL sell Robin van Persie TO Manchester City toward the very end of the transfer window (don't be surprised if a couple of league fixtures have already been played before the deal is finalised). It'll probably be a cut-price deal, but better than what Manchester United and Juventus have to offer. The Etonian fat cats in the Arsenal board room will be laughin their way to the bank, glad they didn't wait til next summer when they could've ended up with nada.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby gillie » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:49 pm

Slim wrote:
john68 wrote:
Esky wrote:I wonder when Redknapp's going to make a bid?


Twitchy tried to buy RVP just before Mrs VP gave birth. Twitchy understands these things.
Twitchy also could have bought;
The Pope,
The Dalai Llama,
Pele,
Abe Lincoln...and Michael Jackson.

Sadly, Twitchy is currently in hospital recovering from major surgery. John68 understands that he has jst had an unwound car window removed from his elbow and a microphone from under his nose.


The Dalai Lama's pet?

Russell Brand?
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby ant london » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:39 pm

IanWright wrote:
Personally? I think Arsenal WILL sell Robin van Persie TO Manchester City toward the very end of the transfer window (don't be surprised if a couple of league fixtures have already been played before the deal is finalised). It'll probably be a cut-price deal, but better than what Manchester United and Juventus have to offer. The Etonian fat cats in the Arsenal board room will be laughin their way to the bank, glad they didn't wait til next summer when they could've ended up with nada.




I think it's a really interesting question as to where he goes and there are quite a lot of variables.

The fact that Arsenal made the United offer public to me suggests 100% that theirs was the lowest of three likely (from an Arsenal perspective) unacceptably low offers. Making that public is plainly aimed at stimulating some bidding competition between United and City. I would have done exactly the same.

From a Van Persie perspective I think there are a few issues for him to assess and make up his mind on;

In pure financial terms I would not be surprised if Juve were prepared to offer him, personally, the most lucrative deal, however:
a) they wont pay the most attractive fee to Arsenal and
b) the league in which he will play is not as attractive from a competitiveness and style perspective to him

but balanced against that...he might be a smash hit there. He will play every week and he will have a new cultural challenge and experience to enjoy

In terms of United....he will play more often than at City, he will be (with Rooney) the main man up front and will do so in a league with which he is comfortable and where he knows he can excel. BUT is his body up to the challenge of playing as often as United (or Arsenal) would like to use him. Maybe successful but likely shortening his career. They will pay Arsenal enough to sign him and him absolutely no more than they need to do in order to convince him.

From a City perspective, he won't play every week. From one angle that is a negative but with his injury record it can be viewed from his side as a plus. He would likely be rolled out for really big PL/CL games and mothballed to an extent. He will play for the champions who are likely favourites to retain that. He will play within a better team/squad than both alternative options. He'll get paid better than United even if less than Juve and Arsenal will get an acceptable fee...likely more than both other clubs.

Taking the blue blinkers off....if he makes a football decision it should be between City and United and if he is sensible, on balance, he would sign for us
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby IanWright » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:44 pm

ant london wrote:
IanWright wrote:


In terms of United....he will play more often than at City, he will be (with Rooney) the main man up front and will do so in a league with which he is comfortable and where he knows he can excel. BUT is his body up to the challenge of playing as often as United (or Arsenal) would like to use him. Maybe successful but likely shortening his career. They will pay Arsenal enough to sign him and him absolutely no more than they need to do in order to convince him.


I think his injury-laden career is something that many people have refused to allude to. I know some posters mentioned it on here.

He has had an incredible season, and some bitter Gooners are just trying to negate his talent ("just a Kevin Phillips/Andy Johnson flash in the pan year"). However, it IS talent, it isn't just good form. He was banging in the goals at the back end of last season, too, when we'd surrendered the season embarrassingly early. And before that, too (can't be arsed with the stats. It's late, and it's a Saturday)

I think what I'm trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that his injury list, coupled with his age and contract situation could reduce the fee further. I honestly think that a simple hamstring injury could hamper RvP more so than it would any other player, given his history. I hope the Arsenal board really do hold out for the best deal but given the way we've conducted deals since Henry left for Barcelona and since David Dein left, I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:58 pm

IanWright wrote:
ant london wrote:
IanWright wrote:


In terms of United....he will play more often than at City, he will be (with Rooney) the main man up front and will do so in a league with which he is comfortable and where he knows he can excel. BUT is his body up to the challenge of playing as often as United (or Arsenal) would like to use him. Maybe successful but likely shortening his career. They will pay Arsenal enough to sign him and him absolutely no more than they need to do in order to convince him.


I think his injury-laden career is something that many people have refused to allude to. I know some posters mentioned it on here.

He has had an incredible season, and some bitter Gooners are just trying to negate his talent ("just a Kevin Phillips/Andy Johnson flash in the pan year"). However, it IS talent, it isn't just good form. He was banging in the goals at the back end of last season, too, when we'd surrendered the season embarrassingly early. And before that, too (can't be arsed with the stats. It's late, and it's a Saturday)

I think what I'm trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that his injury list, coupled with his age and contract situation could reduce the fee further. I honestly think that a simple hamstring injury could hamper RvP more so than it would any other player, given his history. I hope the Arsenal board really do hold out for the best deal but given the way we've conducted deals since Henry left for Barcelona and since David Dein left, I'm not holding my breath.


I can't fathom what the fuck Arsenal & Wenger are playing at in any way, but if they're gambling everything on ffp, they're going to be disappointed.

Even if Platini did manage to stop City buying players, we are spending so much on young talent & our own academy that it won't matter anyway in the long run, we'll only need a few players here & there. There is also the fact that the Sheikh, if he doesn't sponsor us himself, has lots of rich mates & some of the most high powered business people in the world working on the City 'brand' in all corners of the world.

If City had been skint, the only difference would be Nasri, RVP etc would all be playing at Utd anyway & they would be running away with everything. I don't see how that helps Arsenal.

But the biggest factor to me is the players they HAVE signed in recent times. They're just nowhere near the standard Arsenal had previously, & they cost decent money.

If there is a plan, it just seems wrong imo & Wenger seems to be part of it.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:10 pm

Wenger is a fraud, that's all I have to say Ted.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby BoltFromTheBlue » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:38 pm

BREAKING TRANSFER NEWS: RVP has been spotted outside Old Trafford in a Juventus kit while speaking to Roberto Mancini
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:23 pm

BoltFromTheBlue wrote:BREAKING TRANSFER NEWS: RVP has been spotted outside Old Trafford in a Juventus kit while speaking to Roberto Mancini

I still can't believe that Robinho celebration.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Dameerto » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:33 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
I can't fathom what the fuck Arsenal & Wenger are playing at in any way, but if they're gambling everything on ffp, they're going to be disappointed.

Even if Platini did manage to stop City buying players, we are spending so much on young talent & our own academy that it won't matter anyway in the long run, we'll only need a few players here & there. There is also the fact that the Sheikh, if he doesn't sponsor us himself, has lots of rich mates & some of the most high powered business people in the world working on the City 'brand' in all corners of the world.

If City had been skint, the only difference would be Nasri, RVP etc would all be playing at Utd anyway & they would be running away with everything. I don't see how that helps Arsenal.

But the biggest factor to me is the players they HAVE signed in recent times. They're just nowhere near the standard Arsenal had previously, & they cost decent money.

If there is a plan, it just seems wrong imo & Wenger seems to be part of it.


There's a plan, which is the reason Wenger is the highest (or second highest depending on Mancini's new contract) paid manager in the Prem - it involves Wenger running things on a relative shoestring and keeping the club competitive for Chump's League places whilst at the same time copping all the flack for their lack of investment until their stadium is paid off.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby AG7 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:24 pm

Why is Chelsea not interested in RVP at all? One would think United needing a midfielder more but didn't really go after Hazard and Chelsea took him while now Chelsea surely needs another recognised striker with only Torres left with them after Drogba ... They surely won't have problem coming up with money for RVP, can also offer him to keep his residence and life in London itself ... wouldn't he be better for them than chasing Hulk from Porto who want an awful lot more for him. Just a thought ... do they not rate RVP at all?
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby blues-clues » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:37 am

This has probably been covered before but.... if RVP is in the last year of his contract does anyone know how long the current contract is?

Nobody has mentioned him buying out his current deal under Article 17 of the FIFA regulations (Bosman). If he is only earning £80k a week then his contract would be worth less than £5m.

He is over 28 so he only needs to have done 2 years of his current deal to buy out his contract. It would seem likely that he has done two years but I cant find anything to say when the current deal started. Any ideas on this?
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:54 am

blues-clues wrote:This has probably been covered before but.... if RVP is in the last year of his contract does anyone know how long the current contract is?

Nobody has mentioned him buying out his current deal under Article 17 of the FIFA regulations (Bosman). If he is only earning £80k a week then his contract would be worth less than £5m.

He is over 28 so he only needs to have done 2 years of his current deal to buy out his contract. It would seem likely that he has done two years but I cant find anything to say when the current deal started. Any ideas on this?


he signed in July 2009, so must have done his two years. This follows a ruling about Andy Webster a Scottish player rather than the Bosman ruling, but I think you're dead right, he should be able to buy himself out. Maybe "loyalty" is preventing him from threatening that
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:07 am

This one transfer where the player is hoping Arsenal see sense and give him the deal he can get by last resort leaving.
He does not want to leave London. Wenger it appears is the top earner and the rest are on what he decides.
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby AG7 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:18 am

ESPN: Try keeping a straight face when you read this - Marouane Chamakh reckons he's the man to replace Robin van Persie:

http://t.co/oaPmMzWP
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Re: RVP and other Transfer Business

Postby sheblue » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:42 am

it isn't exactly a mad race to sign him, says a lot about the gamble it is.
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