Savic Gone + "New Vidic" In

[ant london]

I never thought I'd have to see a player as bad as Savic again in a City shirt once Sheikh Mansour bought the club.

I'm sure he might have enough talent possibly to play at the top level but he 100% doesn't have the character or bottle for it at City. I wish him well if this comes off, I hope this new lad if he comes is an improvement but my overriding emotion will be delight that SS is no longer at risk of appearing on a pitch in a City shirt ever again.

Piccs...you are talking utter nonsense mate

[halnone]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

+1

[DoomMerchant]

Doomie, if this deal turns out to be true, will you promise to perform some perverted sexual act on Marwood? Let's face it, noone in their wildest dreams would have thought that Stefan could be shifted.

Oh and the sex act can be of your own choosing. But you have to let us know what it would be. And you have to film it. And post it. And be pretending to enjoy it. Make sure you get the lighting right. Don't worry too much about the sound. You can dub that in later.

a sex act for a 19 year old Montenegrin defender like 2 people have ever seen? Sure...i'll shove a watermelon up my ass and make juice with it.

cheers

[Slim]

I'd be disturbed that not only does he want you to perform a homosexual act with an old man, but that he wants to see it. Says WAY more about dazby than it does you.

[Dunnylad]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Agreed it says something when his fellow players are all over Twitter defending him, when the boo boys were really on Savic's back. Nice bloke, didn't deserve the level of stick he got, but at the end of the day unless he could have been given time to develop outside of our scrutiny a move is the best for all parties. Now everyone can turn their attention to Kolarov, although I expect he's more of a Nicky Summerbee character ;)

[Ted Hughes]

I'll be sad to see him go. The level of vitriol on this site has been preposterous and undeserved.

No winks?

Come on Piccs lad as much as he is young,he is a nice lad,he is gash.If Bob is binning him off after a year it shows he doesnt think there is fuck all there and has made a mistake.

The poor lad has had his job made impossible at City with the crowd abuse. I never thought that I'd see such disgraceful behaviour again after what was done to Richard Edghill, but it seems we never learn. He isn't that bad. He is better than Kolo already and the reality is that Kolo has no chance of getting better.
Hang your heads in shame. . . . . sheep.

He really isn't better than Kolo. He isn't better than Spenser Prior.

And Blaming us because Mancini thinks Savic is shit, doesn't make sense.

[Mase]

If we pretended that all of our players were brilliant then we'd be rags.
"Anderson is brilliant! He might have moobs but he's a quality midfielder"
"Giggs deserves POTY. He's been the best winger in the world for years."
"Rio never makes mistakes. He's on the ball every time"
Etc....

Just because we say what we see it doesn't mean that its "disgusting".
No one has got on his back at the match. He hasn't been booed. He's been given chance after chance and still shows no signs of even a little bit of quality.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I am certainly not suggesting that Savic is a great player, far from it, but what I am suggesting is that he is a young centre half who has some potential and is undeserving of the level of criticism levelled at him. I have a great deal of time and respect for Ted's opinions, although on this occasion I disagree with him, that's allowed isn't it. But so much of what is said about him amounts to little more than, "he's shit".
He certainly looks more nervous on the ball now than when he joined and I'd suggest that some of that is down to the criticisms aimed at him, although I do appreciate that the crowd haven't got on his back at the game.
Plus points for him are that he tries to play the ball and pass intelligently. He isn't as bad in the air as some would suggest, I watched him beat Zigic time and again to headers despite being considerably shorter than him. He is not our slowest defender by any stretch. Yes he has made mistakes, the one v Spurs stands out but Lescott managed an almost carbon copy error against QPR and I'd be disappointed if fans wrote him off on the basis of that nause up. The one at Swansea was less clear cut, with many there, including me, taking the view that it was Yaya that fucked up.
We have to consider the financial position at the moment, and we are short of cover defensively, so I'd suggest that we are unloading the wrong man. Kolo is slower than him, less comfortable on the ball, worse in the air, less likely to pop up with a goal and is on a considerable amount more in wages. Not forgetting that Savic has time on his side whereas it is unlikely Toure will get any better.
That is why I feel that he is worth persevering a little longer with him.
Mancini clearly didn't think he was 'shit' because he signed him! It's worth pointing out that he hasn't had a real run in the side nor has he had the chance to form a partnership with Vince.
Having said all that if the opportunity to do a deal, bringing in a replacement, is there then maybe it is best for the club and the player to part. But I will be a little sad to see him go.

[mr_nool]

I am certainly not suggesting that Savic is a great player, far from it, but what I am suggesting is that he is a young centre half who has some potential and is undeserving of the level of criticism levelled at him. I have a great deal of time and respect for Ted's opinions, although on this occasion I disagree with him, that's allowed isn't it. But so much of what is said about him amounts to little more than, "he's shit".
He certainly looks more nervous on the ball now than when he joined and I'd suggest that some of that is down to the criticisms aimed at him, although I do appreciate that the crowd haven't got on his back at the game.
Plus points for him are that he tries to play the ball and pass intelligently. He isn't as bad in the air as some would suggest, I watched him beat Zigic time and again to headers despite being considerably shorter than him. He is not our slowest defender by any stretch. Yes he has made mistakes, the one v Spurs stands out but Lescott managed an almost carbon copy error against QPR and I'd be disappointed if fans wrote him off on the basis of that nause up. The one at Swansea was less clear cut, with many there, including me, taking the view that it was Yaya that fucked up.
We have to consider the financial position at the moment, and we are short of cover defensively, so I'd suggest that we are unloading the wrong man. Kolo is slower than him, less comfortable on the ball, worse in the air, less likely to pop up with a goal and is on a considerable amount more in wages. Not forgetting that Savic has time on his side whereas it is unlikely Toure will get any better.
That is why I feel that he is worth persevering a little longer with him.
Mancini clearly didn't think he was 'shit' because he signed him! It's worth pointing out that he hasn't had a real run in the side nor has he had the chance to form a partnership with Vince.
Having said all that if the opportunity to do a deal, bringing in a replacement, is there then maybe it is best for the club and the player to part. But I will be a little sad to see him go.

Great post mate! As much as i disagreed with you regarding Petrov I agree now.

[Ted Hughes]

I am certainly not suggesting that Savic is a great player, far from it, but what I am suggesting is that he is a young centre half who has some potential and is undeserving of the level of criticism levelled at him. I have a great deal of time and respect for Ted's opinions, although on this occasion I disagree with him, that's allowed isn't it. But so much of what is said about him amounts to little more than, "he's shit".
He certainly looks more nervous on the ball now than when he joined and I'd suggest that some of that is down to the criticisms aimed at him, although I do appreciate that the crowd haven't got on his back at the game.
Plus points for him are that he tries to play the ball and pass intelligently. He isn't as bad in the air as some would suggest, I watched him beat Zigic time and again to headers despite being considerably shorter than him. He is not our slowest defender by any stretch. Yes he has made mistakes, the one v Spurs stands out but Lescott managed an almost carbon copy error against QPR and I'd be disappointed if fans wrote him off on the basis of that nause up. The one at Swansea was less clear cut, with many there, including me, taking the view that it was Yaya that fucked up.
We have to consider the financial position at the moment, and we are short of cover defensively, so I'd suggest that we are unloading the wrong man. Kolo is slower than him, less comfortable on the ball, worse in the air, less likely to pop up with a goal and is on a considerable amount more in wages. Not forgetting that Savic has time on his side whereas it is unlikely Toure will get any better.
That is why I feel that he is worth persevering a little longer with him.
Mancini clearly didn't think he was 'shit' because he signed him! It's worth pointing out that he hasn't had a real run in the side nor has he had the chance to form a partnership with Vince.
Having said all that if the opportunity to do a deal, bringing in a replacement, is there then maybe it is best for the club and the player to part. But I will be a little sad to see him go.

That is 100% wrong mate.

The first time I saw Savic was in a pre season game v Inter & he was fucking dogshite, hopeless in 1 v 1s, well hopeless at everything, but hopeless in the way of a 12 year old who doesn't understand the first thing about how to shape up when a player runs at you etc. I'd been looking forward to a new, talented, young defender & immediately found we'd signed a bloke who was worse than our own reserve team defenders. He was then & is now, shite. If there was something to work with, I would be in the 'give the lad a chance' camp, I always am. In this case, 'the lad' doesn't deserve a chance, he is in the way of better, younger, players.

He really isn't quicker than Kolo Toure btw. He isn't quicker than Andy Carroll.

[lets all have a disco]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Which Italian team did he turn out for?
I'm sure we signed him for Partizan?

[kinkylola]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Which Italian team did he turn out for?
I'm sure we signed him for Partizan?

sorry you're correct ... for some reason I had already connected him with fiorentina in my mind ... but i'd imagine coming from Partizan was an even larger step up.

[Ted Hughes]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Which Italian team did he turn out for?
I'm sure we signed him for Partizan?

sorry you're correct ... for some reason I had already connected him with fiorentina in my mind ... but i'd imagine coming from Partizan was an even larger step up.

Perhaps, but perhaps it's also a step up for a player who is championship standard to be playing in the Premier League.

He has been at City for over a year. He has played in the Premier League in cup semi finals. So what do we see when he's asked to play in pre season friendlies, with no nasty City fans to boo & shout at him ? He's exactly the same shit as he was when we signed him a year ago; no improvement whatsoever. Slow, panicky, unable to read the game, making the wrong decisions & arse raped on every 1v1 situation. When does this 'improvement' from Darren Wassell to Bobby Moore actually start ?

And where are people getting the idea that centre backs only start to show talent when they are above 22 ? Every single decent cb I've ever seen have been spotted as kids & progressed naturally. Even the much maligned Lescott was very highly rated at Wolves. Rio, Terry, even Micah & Ned were miles better than Savic when they first appeared as kids.

[Beefymcfc]

The question is, who signed him, Marwood or Mancini?

[johnny crossan]

I thought Savic was supposed to be the new Vidic

[kinkylola]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Which Italian team did he turn out for?
I'm sure we signed him for Partizan?

sorry you're correct ... for some reason I had already connected him with fiorentina in my mind ... but i'd imagine coming from Partizan was an even larger step up.

Perhaps, but perhaps it's also a step up for a player who is championship standard to be playing in the Premier League.

He has been at City for over a year. He has played in the Premier League in cup semi finals. So what do we see when he's asked to play in pre season friendlies, with no nasty City fans to boo & shout at him ? He's exactly the same shit as he was when we signed him a year ago; no improvement whatsoever. Slow, panicky, unable to read the game, making the wrong decisions & arse raped on every 1v1 situation. When does this 'improvement' from Darren Wassell to Bobby Moore actually start ?

And where are people getting the idea that centre backs only start to show talent when they are above 22 ? Every single decent cb I've ever seen have been spotted as kids & progressed naturally. Even the much maligned Lescott was very highly rated at Wolves. Rio, Terry, even Micah & Ned were miles better than Savic when they first appeared as kids.

mate, I admitted in my opening post that he probably wasn't good enough ... I've not said anywhere that he'd become magically better when he gets older, or that he is a talent for his age. All I said was you don't find FINISHED PRODUCTS at CB that young very often, and I hope he uses his time here as a motivation to fulfill his potential when he moves on.

I do think he had/has potential, and I also think that he was never going to fulfill it here after the bad start that he had and the criticism he came under. I also think his development could have been handled better, and some loan deals BEFORE being put into our first team could have helped.

In the end, he's responsible for his own performances, and no one can argue that, I just think it's a shame that he wasn't able to develop while here and I wish him well. Is that the part that irritates you so much, that I wish him well?

[Ted Hughes]

The question is, who signed him, Marwood or Mancini?

Platt.

[PeterParker]

In case you didn't read this :

Manchester City are entering new financially responsible ways if their transfer window so far is anything to judge them by. Moves for Rodwell and Sinclair are hardly the international blockbuster signings the club had almost got used to and snippets from inside the club had suggested a more frugal future.

However, that's all just been blown out of the water if the Italian media are correct about the fee Manchester City will pay for Fiorentina's Matija Nastasic. News filtered through last night that the two clubs had settled on a deal for the Serbian defender but TMW this morning say the whole package is one the Serie A club just couldn't refuse.

Manchester City will pay Fiorentina €16m upfront and then another €5m dependent on appearances. They will also send Stefan Savic, valued at €9m for this deal, which brings the total to a huge €30m for a 19 year old defender.

For a player who has only really had one season in Serie A, and who has only made a couple of international appearances, it's a huge sum - and casts aside any thoughts that Manchester City had tightened their belts when it came to spending on talent.

From Fiorentina's side it could make it easier for them to hold onto to Stevan Jovetic, who had also been linked with the Premier League champions.

[Dameerto]

I am certainly not suggesting that Savic is a great player, far from it, but what I am suggesting is that he is a young centre half who has some potential and is undeserving of the level of criticism levelled at him. I have a great deal of time and respect for Ted's opinions, although on this occasion I disagree with him, that's allowed isn't it. But so much of what is said about him amounts to little more than, "he's shit".
He certainly looks more nervous on the ball now than when he joined and I'd suggest that some of that is down to the criticisms aimed at him, although I do appreciate that the crowd haven't got on his back at the game.
Plus points for him are that he tries to play the ball and pass intelligently. He isn't as bad in the air as some would suggest, I watched him beat Zigic time and again to headers despite being considerably shorter than him. He is not our slowest defender by any stretch. Yes he has made mistakes, the one v Spurs stands out but Lescott managed an almost carbon copy error against QPR and I'd be disappointed if fans wrote him off on the basis of that nause up. The one at Swansea was less clear cut, with many there, including me, taking the view that it was Yaya that fucked up.
We have to consider the financial position at the moment, and we are short of cover defensively, so I'd suggest that we are unloading the wrong man. Kolo is slower than him, less comfortable on the ball, worse in the air, less likely to pop up with a goal and is on a considerable amount more in wages. Not forgetting that Savic has time on his side whereas it is unlikely Toure will get any better.
That is why I feel that he is worth persevering a little longer with him.
Mancini clearly didn't think he was 'shit' because he signed him! It's worth pointing out that he hasn't had a real run in the side nor has he had the chance to form a partnership with Vince.
Having said all that if the opportunity to do a deal, bringing in a replacement, is there then maybe it is best for the club and the player to part. But I will be a little sad to see him go.

That is 100% wrong mate.

The first time I saw Savic was in a pre season game v Inter & he was fucking dogshite, hopeless in 1 v 1s, well hopeless at everything, but hopeless in the way of a 12 year old who doesn't understand the first thing about how to shape up when a player runs at you etc. I'd been looking forward to a new, talented, young defender & immediately found we'd signed a bloke who was worse than our own reserve team defenders. He was then & is now, shite. If there was something to work with, I would be in the 'give the lad a chance' camp, I always am. In this case, 'the lad' doesn't deserve a chance, he is in the way of better, younger, players.

He really isn't quicker than Kolo Toure btw. He isn't quicker than Andy Carroll.

It's not 100% wrong, when he arrived he was composed and measured on the ball and looked like he would be a good prospect for a ball playing cb or possibly a fullback. I agree with Piccs that he lost confidence while at City (for whatever reason - either the constant criticism or through selfdoubt for other reasons).

[lets all have a disco]

i also feel sorry for savic, whatever happened, he came to our club to try to do his best. I agree that he may not have been good enough during his time here, but he's 21 years old for fucks sake. CB's rarely come through as a finished product that early, and I do think he was thrown in too early. Especially coming from Serie A to the prem, the change in pace must have been like a blur to him.

He may have been rightly criticized for some of his performances, but in no way does he deserve a lot of the comments directed his way. If he is out and back to italy, firstly i'm sure he'll be relieved ... secondly, I wish him all the best and hope he uses his time here to motivate him to improve himself and reach his potential. I think it's really curious that such an innocuous character would be the target of this level of abuse.

Which Italian team did he turn out for?
I'm sure we signed him for Partizan?

sorry you're correct ... for some reason I had already connected him with fiorentina in my mind ... but i'd imagine coming from Partizan was an even larger step up.

Perhaps, but perhaps it's also a step up for a player who is championship standard to be playing in the Premier League.

He has been at City for over a year. He has played in the Premier League in cup semi finals. So what do we see when he's asked to play in pre season friendlies, with no nasty City fans to boo & shout at him ? He's exactly the same shit as he was when we signed him a year ago; no improvement whatsoever. Slow, panicky, unable to read the game, making the wrong decisions & arse raped on every 1v1 situation. When does this 'improvement' from Darren Wassell to Bobby Moore actually start ?

And where are people getting the idea that centre backs only start to show talent when they are above 22 ? Every single decent cb I've ever seen have been spotted as kids & progressed naturally. Even the much maligned Lescott was very highly rated at Wolves. Rio, Terry, even Micah & Ned were miles better than Savic when they first appeared as kids.

mate, I admitted in my opening post that he probably wasn't good enough ... I've not said anywhere that he'd become magically better when he gets older, or that he is a talent for his age. All I said was you don't find FINISHED PRODUCTS at CB that young very often, and I hope he uses his time here as a motivation to fulfill his potential when he moves on.

I do think he had/has potential, and I also think that he was never going to fulfill it here after the bad start that he had and the criticism he came under. I also think his development could have been handled better, and some loan deals BEFORE being put into our first team could have helped.

In the end, he's responsible for his own performances, and no one can argue that, I just think it's a shame that he wasn't able to develop while here and I wish him well. Is that the part that irritates you so much, that I wish him well?

For my part it says it all when i'd rather play Karim Rekik than Savic.

Sad really as he is a nice kid but he aint no good guys.