Hillsborough Report

[Yffi_88]

Family members now getting the chance to ask the panel members questions.

[Alex Sapphire]

a family spokesman has just mispoken "those responsible should hang themselves in shame" After prompting he's now calling it a Freudian slip :)

[Yffi_88]

Kelvin MacKenzie (the guy who wrote "THE TRUTH" headline) now apologises.

[Alex Sapphire]

Kelvin McKenzie hasjust offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"

[Yffi_88]

Kelvin McKenzie hasjust offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"

'Terrible Journalism' just doesn't cover it eh?. It's been much more of a groundbreaking day than i thought it would be. Moreso, the LFC fans seem to be quite pleased with what's been released, which, in honesty, i wasn't sure they ever would be, and justly so.

[Alex Sapphire]

Kelvin McKenzie hasjust offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"

'Terrible Journalism' just doesn't cover it eh?. It's been much more of a groundbreaking day than i thought it would be. Moreso, the LFC fans seem to be quite pleased with what's been released, which, in honesty, i wasn't sure they ever would be, and justly so.

whitewash it's not. Very rare. I think everyone is taken by surprise by this outcome and with Faulkner and Mansfield sat amongst the families, there is going to be some pretty serious litigation to follow

McKenzie statement: its taken me 23 years to realise that I should have written "the lies" and not "the truth"

[Yffi_88]

Kelvin McKenzie hasjust offered his "profuse apologies to the people of Liverpool"

'Terrible Journalism' just doesn't cover it eh?. It's been much more of a groundbreaking day than i thought it would be. Moreso, the LFC fans seem to be quite pleased with what's been released, which, in honesty, i wasn't sure they ever would be, and justly so.

whitewash it's not. Very rare. I think everyone is taken by surprise by this outcome and with Faulkner and Mansfield sat amongst the families, there is going to be some pretty serious litigation to follow

McKenzie statement: its taken me 23 years to realise that I should have written "the lies" and not "the truth"

Former Sun Editor says he published in "GOOD FAITH".

Fuck. Off.

[Alex Sapphire]

Unlawful killing by negligence likely to be pursued.

Soundslike Wednesday (as well as Sheffield council and SY Police) might be targeted as they didn't have a safety certificate and didn't act on Safety guidance provided following similar incidents (which they managed to avoid ending tragically) from 1981 and earlier

[Goaters 103]

Unlawful killing by negligence likely to be pursued.

Soundslike Wednesday (as well as Sheffield council and SY Police) might be targeted as they didn't have a safety certificate and didn't act on Safety guidance provided following similar incidents (which they managed to avoid ending tragically) from 1981 and earlier

There was a crush on the same terrace in the 81 semi-final when Spurs fans occupied that end of the ground and also came on to the pitch. Similarly additional reports of problems came in 87 when Leeds fans had the Leppings Lane end in 1987 - see the fan accounts by Leeds and Spurs fans here, along with some video footage: -

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumenta ... inal-1981/

http://thehillsboroughdisasterdocumenta ... emi-final/

[Blue Since 76]

Kelvin MacKenzie (the guy who wrote "THE TRUTH" headline) now apologises.

Apologises for the second time. Wonder if he'll retract it again?

[Dronny]

a family spokesman has just mispoken "those responsible should hang themselves in shame" After prompting he's now calling it a Freudian slip :)

I hope the bastards responsible do fucking swing, metaphorically of course. Is the CC of South Yorkshire Police still alive, there must be many in the chain of command who are and maybe some who are still serving. Justice must be ssen to be done, horribly cliched granted, there must however be closure for all concerned.

[Nigels Tackle]

a family spokesman has just mispoken "those responsible should hang themselves in shame" After prompting he's now calling it a Freudian slip :)

I hope the bastards responsible do fucking swing, metaphorically of course. Is the CC of South Yorkshire Police still alive, there must be many in the chain of command who are and maybe some who are still serving. Justice must be ssen to be done, horribly cliched granted, there must however be closure for all concerned.

responsible for what though?

where do you start?

there are so many components to this tragedy...

[Dronny]

a family spokesman has just mispoken "those responsible should hang themselves in shame" After prompting he's now calling it a Freudian slip :)

I hope the bastards responsible do fucking swing, metaphorically of course. Is the CC of South Yorkshire Police still alive, there must be many in the chain of command who are and maybe some who are still serving. Justice must be ssen to be done, horribly cliched granted, there must however be closure for all concerned.

responsible for what though?

where do you start?

there are so many components to this tragedy...

The cover ups from the police, the altering of statements would have been sanctioned by someone and I'm not talking about the coppers on the ground, this was ordered from much higher up. The tarnishing of the victims, much higher up, the failings of not having basic safety codes in place - the local authority or the SWFC, the FA????

Of course its a tragedy, a bloody huge tragedy but one that could have been averted perhaps and one that should never have been tainted with the totally abhorrent victimisation of the people who couldn't answer back.

This has a long way to go, you say where do you start? Well we've heard the begining of the start and thats for sure......

[Dameerto]

You can start with why the match went ahead at that ground in the first place with no safety certificate - why it was policed by a rookie with no experience of large scale crowd control, why that rookie catagorically lied about his decision to open the side gate resulting in deaths inside the already overcrowded terraces (and blamed it on the fans forcing the gate) - and why he was allowed to retire on the grounds of ill health after the initial outcry had died down. If that bastard is still alive he should face charges. It wasn't just an offence against Liverpool fans it was an offence against all football fans and they need to be held accountable now it's out in the open. That could have been any team in the away end that day (except Wednesday of course).

[Blue Since 76]

Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen. It could have been Spurs in 81 or anyone else at any ground throughout the country.

Inadequate policing; a view that all fans were hooligans; a large number of fans who were hooligans; fences to pen you in; large standing areas; inadequate safety fencing within standing areas; old fashioned grounds with poor facilities. The list goes on.

If there is anything that the families of those killed can take from that day is that their deaths made grounds safer for the rest of us. I happily take my kids now without ever thinking of it as being dangerous. The drive to the ground is probably the most hazardous bit of the day. The nasty atmosphere has mostly gone and the chance of another Hillsborough or Bradford or Heysel is pretty low in the Premier League at least.

Those who made mistakes on the day could and perhaps should be forgiven. There was little planning for it and those in charge were inadequately trained. As I said it was an accident waiting to happen, but perhaps that's only with the benefit of hindsight. However to lie afterwards to cover their backs and, worse, blame the dead, was a disgrace. Anyone found to have done that deserves all they get

[Bluez]

Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen. It could have been Spurs in 81 or anyone else at any ground throughout the country.

Inadequate policing; a view that all fans were hooligans; a large number of fans who were hooligans; fences to pen you in; large standing areas; inadequate safety fencing within standing areas; old fashioned grounds with poor facilities. The list goes on.

If there is anything that the families of those killed can take from that day is that their deaths made grounds safer for the rest of us. I happily take my kids now without ever thinking of it as being dangerous. The drive to the ground is probably the most hazardous bit of the day. The nasty atmosphere has mostly gone and the chance of another Hillsborough or Bradford or Heysel is pretty low in the Premier League at least.

Those who made mistakes on the day could and perhaps should be forgiven. There was little planning for it and those in charge were inadequately trained. As I said it was an accident waiting to happen, but perhaps that's only with the benefit of hindsight. However to lie afterwards to cover their backs and, worse, blame the dead, was a disgrace. Anyone found to have done that deserves all they get

This is bang on. The problem with releasing the report 23 years later is that people will judge parts of it on modern standards. From stuff in the official statements:

The ground failed to meet minimum standards and the "deficiencies were well known".
The turnstiles were inadequate.
The ground capacity had been significantly over-calculated.
The crush barriers failed to meet safety standards.
There had been a crush at exactly the same match the year before.

This could describe any ground in the late 80's. I can remember many times as a young lad at Maine road being lifted onto my Uncles shoulders because the crush was getting too much. Plenty of goals led to a crush. The grounds in those days were death traps and the fans were treated like cattle because there was such a large hooligan element. To try and sue Sheffield Wednesday would be facrcial because you could pretty much sue any club. It was a massive tragedy, but not really a surprise at the time.

The cover up by police was inexcusable though, I have haven't bought the Sun since.

[ronk]

If there's one lesson, it's that lessons shouldn't be learnt the hard way.

[getdressedmctavish]

My threepenneth. In those days fans were penned into grounds by a fence. It was the result of worsening crowd behaviour with hooliganism the norm. Look at Heysel, but ask any City fan about the travelling support at the time and they will tell you there was a large body of fecking animals.The scousers, the leading club at the time were the worst but Leeds and Rags were up there and every club had a body of this support.That's not to say decent people didn't travel to games, ofcourse they did, but in my experience the norms were set by the lunatics. Combine this with the typical matchday experience. The stadiums were antequated, exit points, accomodation and services were from the black hole of calcutta school of thought.Then consider the police. They were still very much into giving people a hiding(think Smoggyland 08) , they had done Thatchers bidding in the miners strike, been well paid for it, and were supremely self confident, but as we have seen on many occasions, basically corrupt.Throw these ingredients together, get an unlucky combination, and you get Hillsborough. But it could have happened anywhere.

[ruralblue]

fucking disgusting. Wheel Thatcher out to apologise in person and then bring man slaughter charges against those responsible with a sentence is amplified for every life lost that day. The fact so many died that could have simply been saved had they got treatment without delay is terrible. How very sad.

I have seen cover ups of justice personally of late in a law of court and sensational journalism to match it and it fucking well stinks!!!!

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

how come this kind of thing never happened at hillsbrough the thousands of times football matches were played there before this incident?

There were injuries from crushing in the 1981 semi final between Wolves and Spurs. That could have been us very easily that day.