QPR

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I like The Ooops. Great little ground, (even tho the view is shite) Like the colours, the kit, the fans are decent human beings, even in the *0's they had some good eggs there.
Most importantly they are anti FFP and so I really hope they stay up.

Harry is a cunt though.
And a City fan whining about spending is a bit rich (if you'll pardon the expression)

[Swales4ever]

I don't understand your distress Mancio.

You believe that FFPR is non existent. I simply confirmed your view LB2...
A simple thank would have sufficed....:-)

There's no distress, just annoyment at realising that even the smartest bloke can lose the plot over a fictional comedy and cause distress to real feelings.
I said You are fully entitled to run Your amusing cuddly toy and would no longer interfere. Time is tick tocking on it even faster that on the sinking of the vessel which has originated it, so just enjoy as long as it''ll last.

and the simple fact that people sitting on the Club penthouse has decided to show off some graceful attitude towards compliance does not mean - AT ALL - that They have been forced to, nor that there wouldn't be countless means to pour in further wealth to enhance spending as further as it would be needed to buy another flamboyant XI. it just means that we have already settled in the place They deemed us to be. from now on it will probably down to hard work and few sensitive adjustments.
Then, aside, there would also be the entire package of legal strategies (ranging from pure dilatory to massive attack) which I tried to mention privately, as just a very collateral, almost unnecessary tools.
END of my involvement.

[sheblue]

They won't stay up, only won two games, no chance.

[DoomMerchant]

They won't stay up, only won two games, no chance.

Controversial.

[john68]

Mancio,
Before you go....taking your ridicule, lack of respect and patronising manner with you, could you please, answer the many and several questions that were put to you some time ago, The same questions that you chose to ignore had been asked, despite being asked several times in short words that took away any excuse of your misunderstanding them.

1...Why did our owners completely revise their initial investment and player buying strategy when the FFPR was initially introduced?
2...What reason did Khaldoon give for sacking Mark Hughes?
3...Why did our owners choose to speed up the player buying schedule?
4...Why did City seek a policy of FFPR compliance?
5...Why was the Etihad Campus sponsorship financially weighted in the way it was?
6...Why were our two nearest rivals (the rags & Chelsea) allowed to strengthen their squads with players we were targeting without us attempting to match them or significantly strengthen our squad in the last summer transfer window?
7...Why, despite being around 7pts behind the rags, did our owners not only choose not to strengthen our squad in this last window but actually sell a player without replacing him?
8...Why are City gearing up for a possible legal challenge to the domestic FFPR proposals, yet NOT doing so against the proposed UeFA FFPR?
9...Why did our owners buy players TWO years ago for this season and not choose to buy them this season when they would better know what our current needs were?
10...How much money do you calculate that City have lost because of the changes?

11...If FFPR is a nonsense that will be solved simply by our owner riding up on his camel and handing out sweeties to the children at UeFA, why the fuck has he chosen to go through all that shite above? Why didn't he merely do so at the very beginning?

You see Mancio, you may well be right Mate, we may well buy our way out of this or the FFPR may simply fall over at the 1st legal challenge. I don't know and neither do you. But what I do know is that our club has spent a lot of time, money and energy doing all that shite above.

Why didn't our owners teams of lawyers, accountants, politicians and wise advisors simply ask you and the bloke in your office?
Why didn't our owners simply put their fingers in their ears and shout Lalalalalalalala.

Or maybe that only works in your make believe, disrespectful, patronising, ridiculous, lalalalala World of make believe.

The questions are all quite genuine mate. No more Lalalalalas, no more ignoring the issues, no more changing the subject. Now is the time for you to actually bring something to the table of this debate.

...and when you have answered those questions, there are more ,,,be aware.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Will you two get a room already? How has he wound you up this badly John?

[Swales4ever]

No I can't.
I much prefer to keep our relationship going in a positive and grown manner.
Whether You will ever realize it or not, I cannot give a waste of fuck of the nonsense which entertains You so much, while I massively do care of keep building on our mutual love and respect.

So for the very last time, I am over this comedy and I fully expect to keep sharing with You on the remainder of the whole human knowledge.
I am sure You will find enough takers of this "isssue" for not to have suffering my patronizing stuff.
As I mentioned privately, I am prepared to hold on until the shite You care so much will be cleared by history, and then start back again from the point we have been sidetracked... :-)
I am a mad bastard who can be extremely steady and patient on the few matters I actually care

[john68]

Mancio,

QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! Another subject ducked!
You are happy to play the idiot waiter who makes everyone laugh and plays the fool. You spend time attempting to stultify the discussion. You try to make those who attempt a serious discussion look fools and you patronise and ridicule.

When challenged to actually deliver something to the table, once again we get QUACK QUACK QUACK, ANOTHER SUBJECT DUCKED, ANOTHER SUBJECT CHANGED.

Your response this time, like other times, is a fucling personal love note to me.
This is a fuckin FOOTBALL DISCUSSION FORUM NOT A FUCKING DATING AGENCY.

Now....as I requested some time ago....either bring something to the table...or shut the fuck up.

[Beefymcfc]

Mancio,

QUACK! QUACK! QUACK! Another subject ducked!
You are happy to play the idiot waiter who makes everyone laugh and plays the fool. You spend time attempting to stultify the discussion. You try to make those who attempt a serious discussion look fools and you patronise and ridicule.

When challenged to actually deliver something to the table, once again we get QUACK QUACK QUACK, ANOTHER SUBJECT DUCKED, ANOTHER SUBJECT CHANGED.

Your response this time, like other times, is a fucling personal love note to me.
This is a fuckin FOOTBALL DISCUSSION FORUM NOT A FUCKING DATING AGENCY.

Now....as I requested some time ago....either bring something to the table...or shut the fuck up.

The question is - Would ya ;-)

[Original Dub]

I am a mad bastard

[Swales4ever]

JOHN,

please OPEN WIDE UP Your ears because I ran out of patience on this issue and the commedy has turned into a pathetic drama.

We left just before Christmas hugging each other with the same passion that Brothers feel.
Since then, I have addressed a dozen of PM to Your Goodself, trying and smoothing off this nonsense. As well as I have tried to put it publicly in the most humorous way and tried many times to withdraw myself from a silly, sterile debate, just for the sake let You enjoy Your fully entertaining experience of Your own toy.
Instead You keep trying and push me at kicking mud on a swamp. I FUCKING DO NOT GET WHY???

FOR YOUR PERPETUAL REMINDER, and yet again:
I DO NOT HAVE SET FIRE AT YOUR HOME, NOR I HAVE RAPED OR KIDNAPPED ANY OF YOUR BELOVED ONES!
I've just tried to say, even depolying as much humour as the silly situation allowed me to deply, what any qualifiedd profesional, who happened to have a minimal experience of Corporate Governance may say.
As well as I've just stated a simple fact related to the subject of Your personal hero, Brian Marwood. In his whole career the only subject who have granted a position of sporting director at a major football club has been the man he used to carry the baggage of. Now You say he's a football genius, while I say he is an amateur who will never been allowed to waste investors' money at any other professional football club. Let's wait and see where the truth shall stand in 10 years time: either way, it doesn't have any fucking impact in the real life and sentiments of both of US.

Please stop stirring this shit to me, I am not interest in and I am absolutely certain I do not deserve it.
Your behaviour has long and well exceeded the ordinary behaviour of a wise and open mind GROWN MAN, like I WANT to keep thinking You are.
I have possibly had some fun on the subject You look to care most in life and I have already apologized, if I undeliberately
have hurt Your passion for it!
NOW, please stop it, it has gone far beyond a spoilt child embarrassment.
To such an extent that You have obliged good Lads like Ronan and Wayne to stand up pointlessly and show off their support for a much respected person we all love and respect.

What's else can I add?
I have declined the responsibility to give birth and raise children, so I am no expert on how to act in front of childish attitude. I guess the ultimate solution is to waive on logic and state You are totally right: so here I am, even to such extreme, just for the sake of peace and love with a person I care utmost:

[center]M4e OFFICIAL STATEMENT:[/center]
a) FFPR are the powerful and most effective weapon since the Manhattan project has been fulfilled.

b) BRIAN MARWOOD is the smarted and most effective professional in the whole Footballing World. There is not a Top Club in the whole Footballing World which would not move heaven and hell to acquire is priceless services.

CAN WE NOW SETTLE BACK TO our pre Christmas adult relationship and STOP THIS DRAMA HERE, NOW AND FOREVER???
thank You

[Moonchesteri]

I haven't met you in person (yet) Mancio but you are as mad as box of frogs. Just like Mario. Actually, are you Mario?!

Just wanted to say that, no harm intended! :-)

carry on lads

[walmai]

is it not doing anyone else's head in at the amount of money that qpr has spent over the last 18 month??
we got hammered for our spending (bought the league etc) but no-one has said out about them spending all that money to stay in the league, when teams around them haven't got a bean.

they spent 20m on remy & samba, both on close to 100 grand a week on top off who they've got their already

hope they go down

just wondering if your thought's are the same as mine????

cheers, rant over!!

Some of the incidentals about that ridiculous little club make the best reading.

Remember Andy Johnson? Still on £45k p/w, despite not having managed 3 hours of football since August. Fine, he's injured, but for QPR, you get an injury and you buy two new players as replacements....until the next window.

They have 4 keepers! Cerny hasn't been on the pitch in a proper match all season. Nor has Murphy. Their back up keeper is on wages that no other team in the bottom half could consider paying.

All this in the grottiest little hole of a ground, that managed a whopping 17500 fans to welcome their record signing. Sorry, their second record signing of the month, the first of course out injured already.

The madness continues with news that neither Rémy nor Samba have relegation clauses in their contracts. Samba therefore has 4.5 years worth of £5.2M to look forward to!

But all I've done is select the most recent madness and link it to information about some of the players you never even hear about, still less see even on the bench.

31 signings in 18 months, including 7 forwards and 7 centre backs!

Total madness.

[Swales4ever]

I haven't met you in person (yet) Mancio but you are as mad as box of frogs. Just like Mario. Actually, are you Mario?!

Just wanted to say that, no harm intended! :-)

carry on lads

I don't know when I'll make Manchester next, hardly this season, apparently. I'll be glad to come and meet up when the world shall revolve upsidedown again, white shall be white again and black, black. I too enjoy You good humour, mate.

Once said that, for the records, I've never earned a penny through my feet and the few beans I had been able to put in my pot went from the use of my brain. Accordingly, I'd be led to believe that I am just the opposite of Mario... :-)
Also, I for one, do love Mancunian weather (because its sudden changes and fairly cold temperature please me utmost) marmite, fish, chips and curry and I always considered Milan a shithole of a town with some cultural and financial drive: the very last place I'd settle in.

It's not less than two years that we are debating one only footballing point: we need to purchase a second David Silva to pose some more trouble to opponent's managers who try and sus us out of our game. On the evidence of such a fact, the manager of the world's richest Club have asked for Alexis Sanchez and Eden Hazard, but instead was delivered Nasri and Sinclair for not much less money. meanwhile the person in charge of negotiations has been removed and replaced with a senior professional at the job profile.

As per my personal disbelieve of whatsoever effectiveness of Rules such as FFP, just come and knock the door of any CFO at any Company listed on The FTSE Indexes and ask: "If I had a business plan carefully drawn and back with unlimited wealth by my shareholders, do You think there will ever been given a set of rules which might prevent my shareholders to pump as much wealth as deemed adequate into the books?"
Furthermore, if You are supremely curious, You may even come to any law firm with established reputation in the field of antitrust and "trade-distorting" litigations on the European Courts and ask "If I was opposed a set of rules deemed to stop me from investing on my business, and i JUST wanted to stir the things up for say three years, until I will have increased enough the turnover of my gross income, do You consider I would struggle to allege some dilatory proceedings before competent jurisdictional Courts in order to let it just going until I will have achieved the figures I aim to?"

Whether the above convincement qualify me as a mad as box of frogs, I'll leave on You to decide.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Some of the incidentals about that ridiculous little club make the best reading.

Remember Andy Johnson? Still on £45k p/w, despite not having managed 3 hours of football since August. Fine, he's injured, but for QPR, you get an injury and you buy two new players as replacements....until the next window.

They have 4 keepers! Cerny hasn't been on the pitch in a proper match all season. Nor has Murphy. Their back up keeper is on wages that no other team in the bottom half could consider paying.

All this in the grottiest little hole of a ground, that managed a whopping 17500 fans to welcome their record signing. Sorry, their second record signing of the month, the first of course out injured already.

The madness continues with news that neither Rémy nor Samba have relegation clauses in their contracts. Samba therefore has 4.5 years worth of £5.2M to look forward to!

But all I've done is select the most recent madness and link it to information about some of the players you never even hear about, still less see even on the bench.

31 signings in 18 months, including 7 forwards and 7 centre backs!

Total madness.

I'm not fussed who they buy, but the keeper thing in the summer was madness. Debut a new goalie, replace him within a fortnight. Love it.

[john68]

Mancio,
D'yer know, you are a fraud and a fake. The drama is all your mate.
Instead of sending me love notes, suggesting I need therapy or several other strategies to dodge the issue...including creating a drama,
why don't you just answer the questions?

...and my mood and mentality is still fine....-)

[Swales4ever]

Mancio,
[highlight]D'yer know, you are a fraud and a fake.[/highlight] The drama is all your mate.
Instead of sending me love notes, suggesting I need therapy or several other strategies to dodge the issue...including creating a drama,
why don't you just answer the questions?

...and my mood and mentality is still fine....-)

John,

all I can reply to such a sad overturning of values, which You want to sacrifice on the altar of Your limited and childish comprehension, is that I am sad, and the respect and sentiments I have invested on You are feeling betrayed.

On the subject matters (FFP and Marwood), It's more than evident that there is no ground for mutual understanding and, sorrowfully, You will be probably yet to be convinced in 10 years time, when FFPR will have been consigned to history without having damped a single Club which had seriously planned to break through the self-protecting Elite and Marwood will be still awaiting for a second appointment to the office of sporting director at a significant football club.

The difference between You and Ted, sadly and entirely appearing in Your post above, is that Ted is aware when he winds someone up saying that Mancini is a clueless caretaker and reacts accordingly to someone who takes the piss on him, in return.

As You can appreciate, there is no sign of love notes above, because You have trashed all the love and a significant part of my respect for someone I've long believed to be a wise man, just to protect Your intellectual cuddly toy.
Yet again, for the very last time, the whole offence I have given to You, has been to state that there are countless ways to turn round an accountancy regulation and that a lobbyist is not and will never become a senior sporting director.
I have never set fire to Your home, nor I never did raped or kidnap a beloved one of Yours.
Irrespectively of Your understanding of it, here lays the unethical of the hierarchical scale of values You have applied to the love and respect I have offered to You. You should probably live three lives to realize how much sorrow You have made me feel.

[john68]

Mancio,

I do hope the other members of this board find your drama queenery as hilarious and as false as I do. You are a grown man, not a little girl and nobody has stolen your lollipops.
Neither am I convinced by the fraudulent, harmless, eccentric, happy clappy, mad as a box of frogs caricature you have so carefully constructed for yourself. The reality is that you are an intelligent person, well versed in the English language and know full well and understand exactly the manipulative game you are playing, for your own amusement at others expense. It is amusing that having attempted to create victims, you now pretend to be one.

You have consistently, over a long period, done everything you could by ridicule, insult, arrogance and ignorance to kill the FFPR debate , with no regard whatsoever as to whether others may wish to be informed and updated on the subject. Jibe followed jibe and insult followed insult, despite several times being requested, both publicly and privately to stop and even invited to add constructively to the discussion. An invitation you ignored.
Whenever a question or issue was put to you, you either insulted it, repeated your idiotic mantra, ignorantly ignored it or simply changed the subject.

The final straw was when you were asked a series of specific question, not only did you fail to answer them, you actually wrote me a fuclin love note and used your love for me as an excuse for ducking the issue. FFS, they were only questions about a football issue....I wasn't seeking to shag you.
Then on the back of a post of mine you had shamefully doctored, you accuse me of needing therapy.
Now this shite...flooding the board with crocodile tears.

Why didn't you simply answer the questions put to you and addressed the issues, as this is a discussion forum, it would seem to me to be the normal response of a rational person. It happens all the time on here.

You get my vote for an Oscar....carry on.

[Original Dub]

John,

all I can reply to such a sad overturning of values, which You want to sacrifice on the altar of Your limited and childish comprehension, is that I am sad, and the respect and sentiments I have invested on You are feeling betrayed.

On the subject matters (FFP and Marwood), It's more than evident that there is no ground for mutual understanding and, sorrowfully, You will be probably yet to be convinced in 10 years time, when FFPR will have been consigned to history without having damped a single Club which had seriously planned to break through the self-protecting Elite and Marwood will be still awaiting for a second appointment to the office of sporting director at a significant football club.

The difference between You and Ted, sadly and entirely appearing in Your post above, is that Ted is aware when he winds someone up saying that Mancini is a clueless caretaker and reacts accordingly to someone who takes the piss on him, in return.

As You can appreciate, there is no sign of love notes above, because You have trashed all the love and a significant part of my respect for someone I've long believed to be a wise man, just to protect Your intellectual cuddly toy.
Yet again, for the very last time, the whole offence I have given to You, has been to state that there are countless ways to turn round an accountancy regulation and that a lobbyist is not and will never become a senior sporting director.
I have never set fire to Your home, nor I never did raped or kidnap a beloved one of Yours.
Irrespectively of Your understanding of it, here lays the unethical of the hierarchical scale of values You have applied to the love and respect I have offered to You. You should probably live three lives to realize how much sorrow You have made me feel.

Am I the Ronan you are referring to?!!

[Alioune DVToure]

You know what they say; it's better to have loved and lost.