Costel Or Joe For The Final?

[Chinners]

Panti ...

Let's not do what Mancini did against Wigan last year ...

This

[Cocacolajojo1]

I think this is the most relevant current thread for this. One for the Hart boo boys:

http://www.squawka.com/news/2014/02/25/ ... 4022574362

Thanks for posting this so much! I tried to make these comparisons earlier in the season and the numbers are clearly better than they were then. Great read.

It'd be interesting to see what Cech's numbers are. He was the only goalkeeper who had as bad stats as Joe when I went over them and in the games we've played Chelsea recently he's not looked stable.

[ross.mcfc]

Panti for me. I thought it was appalling what happened to him in the final last year. Hart did keep us in that game at times but I doubt Panti would have conceded the goal.

I would like to keep hold of him. He is as good as a number two you can get. He plays the cup games, plays for his country and the odd league game when required. Rust is not an issue for him. He causes zero fuss off the pitch and considering what happened to him last year you have to respect that.

Hart is the better goalkeeper but I am open to selling him in the summer. Perhaps before as we know what happens to England goalkeepers value after a world cup. I think he is a cracking keeper but I don't think he is the right one for us anymore. There is no way we can demote him to number two without causing a media circus and harming moral.

We desperatly need a keeper who can distribute the ball and at times can play like a sweeper. Neuer is probably the best at it but that is out of the question. My knowledge of keepers who have similar abilities are limited.

On two occasions we have been totally outclassed this season. Both times we were out muscled in midfield and pressure was placed on the defence. The defence passes back to Hart who them hoofs the ball back into the midfield and it starts all over again. The goals conceded against Villa and Chelsea away were caused by central defenders expecting a keeper to come out and take control of the ball but Harts actual footballing abilities means he does not have the confidence. By the time the defenders realised Joe isnt coming it was too late in both circumstance.

Great keeper and a good signing for someone out there. But I think we are better served looking elsewhere.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Panti for me. I thought it was appalling what happened to him in the final last year. Hart did keep us in that game at times but I doubt Panti would have conceded the goal.

I would like to keep hold of him. He is as good as a number two you can get. He plays the cup games, plays for his country and the odd league game when required. Rust is not an issue for him. He causes zero fuss off the pitch and considering what happened to him last year you have to respect that.

Hart is the better goalkeeper but I am open to selling him in the summer. Perhaps before as we know what happens to England goalkeepers value after a world cup. I think he is a cracking keeper but I don't think he is the right one for us anymore. There is no way we can demote him to number two without causing a media circus and harming moral.

We desperatly need a keeper who can distribute the ball and at times can play like a sweeper. Neuer is probably the best at it but that is out of the question. My knowledge of keepers who have similar abilities are limited.

On two occasions we have been totally outclassed this season. Both times we were out muscled in midfield and pressure was placed on the defence. The defence passes back to Hart who them hoofs the ball back into the midfield and it starts all over again. The goals conceded against Villa and Chelsea away were caused by central defenders expecting a keeper to come out and take control of the ball but Harts actual footballing abilities means he does not have the confidence. By the time the defenders realised Joe isnt coming it was too late in both circumstance.

Great keeper and a good signing for someone out there. But I think we are better served looking elsewhere.

Sadly, that is an excellent post. I say sadly as I really hate to lose our own, but fear you are probably right.




Unless it's just because he's English?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Panti for me. I thought it was appalling what happened to him in the final last year. Hart did keep us in that game at times but I doubt Panti would have conceded the goal.

I would like to keep hold of him. He is as good as a number two you can get. He plays the cup games, plays for his country and the odd league game when required. Rust is not an issue for him. He causes zero fuss off the pitch and considering what happened to him last year you have to respect that.

Hart is the better goalkeeper but I am open to selling him in the summer. Perhaps before as we know what happens to England goalkeepers value after a world cup. I think he is a cracking keeper but I don't think he is the right one for us anymore. There is no way we can demote him to number two without causing a media circus and harming moral.

We desperatly need a keeper who can distribute the ball and at times can play like a sweeper. Neuer is probably the best at it but that is out of the question. My knowledge of keepers who have similar abilities are limited.

On two occasions we have been totally outclassed this season. Both times we were out muscled in midfield and pressure was placed on the defence. The defence passes back to Hart who them hoofs the ball back into the midfield and it starts all over again. The goals conceded against Villa and Chelsea away were caused by central defenders expecting a keeper to come out and take control of the ball but Harts actual footballing abilities means he does not have the confidence. By the time the defenders realised Joe isnt coming it was too late in both circumstance.

Great keeper and a good signing for someone out there. But I think we are better served looking elsewhere.

You make a fair point in regards his footballing ability, there are better 'sweeper keepers' out there but a factor that needs to be considered is the homegrown/association grown quotas. It is likely this summer that we will offload Rodwell, Boyata, Sinclair and perhaps Micah. Add to that Barry and Lescott's contracts expiring leaves us very thin on the ground when it comes to the quotas with just Hart and Milner meeting the criteria from the senior squad.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

You make a fair point in regards his footballing ability, there are better 'sweeper keepers' out there but a factor that needs to be considered is the homegrown/association grown quotas. It is likely this summer that we will offload Rodwell, Boyata, Sinclair and perhaps Micah. Add to that Barry and Lescott's contracts expiring leaves us very thin on the ground when it comes to the quotas with just Hart and Milner meeting the criteria from the senior squad.

I'm glad somebody else has pointed this out. It could leave ua hamstrung very quickly in the transfer market if we need to get home grown bodies in.

[Herb]

You make a fair point in regards his footballing ability, there are better 'sweeper keepers' out there but a factor that needs to be considered is the homegrown/association grown quotas. It is likely this summer that we will offload Rodwell, Boyata, Sinclair and perhaps Micah. Add to that Barry and Lescott's contracts expiring leaves us very thin on the ground when it comes to the quotas with just Hart and Milner meeting the criteria from the senior squad.

I'm glad somebody else has pointed this out. It could leave ua hamstrung very quickly in the transfer market if we need to get home grown bodies in.

I still contend that homegrown quota's are no excuse for us sticking with Joe when it's obvious to most that he doesn't have the requisite skills for his current role. IMO we need better and are likely to employ better in the summer but if quota's are to force us to employ those not good enough for us then we should surely do that in a less critical playing position than goalkeeper?

[Wonderwall]

You make a fair point in regards his footballing ability, there are better 'sweeper keepers' out there but a factor that needs to be considered is the homegrown/association grown quotas. It is likely this summer that we will offload Rodwell, Boyata, Sinclair and perhaps Micah. Add to that Barry and Lescott's contracts expiring leaves us very thin on the ground when it comes to the quotas with just Hart and Milner meeting the criteria from the senior squad.

I'm glad somebody else has pointed this out. It could leave ua hamstrung very quickly in the transfer market if we need to get home grown bodies in.

I still contend that homegrown quota's are no excuse for us sticking with Joe when it's obvious to most that he doesn't have the requisite skills for his current role. IMO we need better and are likely to employ better in the summer but if quota's are to force us to employ those not good enough for us then we should surely do that in a less critical playing position than goalkeeper?

problem is,NONE of the best players in the world are ENGLISH, so we NEED to keep the decent english ones we have or we are screwed

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Interestingly many if those in our quota don't play because they are injured (Rodwell, Micah) or not good enough (Boyata). So effectively those places in the squad are wasted most of the time.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Panti for me. I thought it was appalling what happened to him in the final last year. Hart did keep us in that game at times but I doubt Panti would have conceded the goal.

I would like to keep hold of him. He is as good as a number two you can get. He plays the cup games, plays for his country and the odd league game when required. Rust is not an issue for him. He causes zero fuss off the pitch and considering what happened to him last year you have to respect that.

Hart is the better goalkeeper but I am open to selling him in the summer. Perhaps before as we know what happens to England goalkeepers value after a world cup. I think he is a cracking keeper but I don't think he is the right one for us anymore. There is no way we can demote him to number two without causing a media circus and harming moral.

We desperatly need a keeper who can distribute the ball and at times can play like a sweeper. Neuer is probably the best at it but that is out of the question. My knowledge of keepers who have similar abilities are limited.

On two occasions we have been totally outclassed this season. Both times we were out muscled in midfield and pressure was placed on the defence. The defence passes back to Hart who them hoofs the ball back into the midfield and it starts all over again. The goals conceded against Villa and Chelsea away were caused by central defenders expecting a keeper to come out and take control of the ball but Harts actual footballing abilities means he does not have the confidence. By the time the defenders realised Joe isnt coming it was too late in both circumstance.

Great keeper and a good signing for someone out there. But I think we are better served looking elsewhere.

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

[Slim]

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

Hart at times last Saturday was really vocal when about to kick the ball, which I liked, the keeper should be directing traffic at that point, but then he would kick the ball into areas where there were 2 or 3 Stoke players and not a single City player within 10-15 yards. If he can't place the ball in the rough vicinity of a City player, then winning/losing a duel isn't really an option.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

Hart at times last Saturday was really vocal when about to kick the ball, which I liked, the keeper should be directing traffic at that point, but then he would kick the ball into areas where there were 2 or 3 Stoke players and not a single City player within 10-15 yards. If he can't place the ball in the rough vicinity of a City player, then winning/losing a duel isn't really an option.

Sure, fair point, but I just don't see that happening that often (I did not watch teh stoke game though). Perhaps I'm biased in that I really like Hart.

I can't really back up my opinion that Hart's not a bad passer but I don't think there's that much proof suggesting he's a bad passer either. His stats were pretty low when I checked them last (around christmas I think), compared with the other goalies of the top teams, but I failed to find stats that distinguished between short and long-term passing.

[Slim]

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

Hart at times last Saturday was really vocal when about to kick the ball, which I liked, the keeper should be directing traffic at that point, but then he would kick the ball into areas where there were 2 or 3 Stoke players and not a single City player within 10-15 yards. If he can't place the ball in the rough vicinity of a City player, then winning/losing a duel isn't really an option.

Sure, fair point, but I just don't see that happening that often (I did not watch teh stoke game though). Perhaps I'm biased in that I really like Hart.

I can't really back up my opinion that Hart's not a bad passer but I don't think there's that much proof suggesting he's a bad passer either. His stats were pretty low when I checked them last (around christmas I think), compared with the other goalies of the top teams, but I failed to find stats that distinguished between short and long-term passing.

Well I'm saying he is a bad passer, other people are saying he's a bad passer, the stats are saying he's a bad passer.

Not sure what's tripping you up.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

Hart at times last Saturday was really vocal when about to kick the ball, which I liked, the keeper should be directing traffic at that point, but then he would kick the ball into areas where there were 2 or 3 Stoke players and not a single City player within 10-15 yards. If he can't place the ball in the rough vicinity of a City player, then winning/losing a duel isn't really an option.

Sure, fair point, but I just don't see that happening that often (I did not watch teh stoke game though). Perhaps I'm biased in that I really like Hart.

I can't really back up my opinion that Hart's not a bad passer but I don't think there's that much proof suggesting he's a bad passer either. His stats were pretty low when I checked them last (around christmas I think), compared with the other goalies of the top teams, but I failed to find stats that distinguished between short and long-term passing.

Well I'm saying he is a bad passer, other people are saying he's a bad passer, the stats are saying he's a bad passer.

Not sure what's tripping you up.

Probably people who can't read stats :).

[Blue2]

We need to win and get a trophy done and dusted- got to be Joe.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I think what he misses are skills that can be trained into him.

Plus, the hoofing thing, it's not like Reina or anyone else is that much better at kicking it upfield. Don't get me wrong, Reina is/was good but I don't think remarkably better, considering that it's not up to him if the recieving player wins the duel or not. Kicking it long upfield is always a gamble and noone likes to do it if they have the choice.

Hart at times last Saturday was really vocal when about to kick the ball, which I liked, the keeper should be directing traffic at that point, but then he would kick the ball into areas where there were 2 or 3 Stoke players and not a single City player within 10-15 yards. If he can't place the ball in the rough vicinity of a City player, then winning/losing a duel isn't really an option.

Sure, fair point, but I just don't see that happening that often (I did not watch teh stoke game though). Perhaps I'm biased in that I really like Hart.

I can't really back up my opinion that Hart's not a bad passer but I don't think there's that much proof suggesting he's a bad passer either. His stats were pretty low when I checked them last (around christmas I think), compared with the other goalies of the top teams, but I failed to find stats that distinguished between short and long-term passing.

My main issue with Hart, footballing wise is that often he likes to sit on the ball, dally on it, tell the team to get up field and hoof it either straight out of play or to an opposition player. I want to see him get up and release the ball straight away by throwing to a full back and starting an attack.
Often Zaba and Kolarov are on their bike already when Hart collects the ball but he tends to hoof it instead.

[Lee_R]

Interesting thing going on here...

What does he mean on 1:00... "Problem is never solved"???....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26385132

[Slim]

Interesting thing going on here...

What does he mean on 1:00... "Problem is never solved"???....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26385132

I think he means he is never done learning.

Or it could mean he admits his distribution is shit and has given up.

[Cocacolajojo1]

My main issue with Hart, footballing wise is that often he likes to sit on the ball, dally on it, tell the team to get up field and hoof it either straight out of play or to an opposition player. I want to see him get up and release the ball straight away by throwing to a full back and starting an attack.
Often Zaba and Kolarov are on their bike already when Hart collects the ball but he tends to hoof it instead.

True. And this is a weird habit of his as I distinctly remember seeing him do what you want him to do a few times. Confidence? Idiocy? Idiosyncracy?

[Nick]

interviewed on bbc which to me would mean hes starting. but hopefully not; it would be so unjust.


almost as unjust as lescott being third choice to two jokers...