Why Is Pellegrini Still In A Job.

[Mansour21]

Some players have to go this summer and we need to spend big on the right players. Players that would actually make a difference. We can blame the players and the manager for the bad season but lets not forget that most of the players on the starting 11 have won the league twice + 2 major trophies FA + Capital one cups with 2 different managers. Add to that we are playing with the same starting 11 except for Ferni and MD since 2011. It means we have been really poor in buying new players and FFP proved to be against the club's plans. While other big clubs have changed a lot of players in their starting 11 during the same period. Enough of trying to have two equal players on the same position crap just get a solid 11 with 2 or 3 good subs and the rest we can get from the academy.

People i'd like to see them out this summer: Yaya, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Navas

Also a new manager would be nice since i lost all hopes in MP. So many wrong decisions and a bad rotation system have led to this ending of the season IMO. The moment when you are watching a game and all the people around you agreed about a certain substitution that has to be made and the manager surprise you with a weird sub that doesn't make any sense every game, you know he's not good enough.

[Ted Hughes]

ok I understand that but why start in jan and feb? For me we tried shipping kolorov out in Jan/considered leaving him out of the uefa squad and he twigged and showed us what he thought of it with that December performance. Backfired as we didn't land that French bloke and dropped Jove as he seems the only half decent bloke.

conjecture on my part but im still pissed off and haven't slept for days.

I wonder if the whole thing started with Jovetic being dropped from the Champs Lg squad.

If you look back, the problems were before then, we were shit in both FA Cup games which were played before the CL squad deadline.

I think it has something to do with a disagreement over tactics. We did great when he was forced to change it in December, then fell to pieces as soon as Kompany and Aguero came back and reverted to the system from earlier in the season. Since then, the only game that stands out is the Newcastle one where we played proper football and all the players got stuck in, Dzeko in particular was magnificent that game, almost certainly in response to the manager selecting him over Bony (which given the Jovetic decision happened around that time, suggests that his omission from the CL squad wasn't a factor).

However, issues like Jovetic's omission and Milner's contract are sure to have eroded some goodwill amongst a group of players that have been together a relatively long time now.

We won 10 & drew 2 upto10 Jan where we drew at Everton. Bony signed that week (media said he would take Jovetic's spot) & we've won 4 games since.

I'm not talking about a revolt, just disquiet leading perhaps to the final nail in the coffin of both Pellegrini & some of the players. I think that could possibly have been the start of it; whinging behind the scenes about who gets left out, etc & it's gradually eroded the team spirit, perhaps leading to the powers that be looking for a new manager.

We looked absolutely full on champions & it has completely fallen apart, almost instantly, seemingly without any good reason.

[Im_Spartacus]

ok I understand that but why start in jan and feb? For me we tried shipping kolorov out in Jan/considered leaving him out of the uefa squad and he twigged and showed us what he thought of it with that December performance. Backfired as we didn't land that French bloke and dropped Jove as he seems the only half decent bloke.

conjecture on my part but im still pissed off and haven't slept for days.

I wonder if the whole thing started with Jovetic being dropped from the Champs Lg squad.

If you look back, the problems were before then, we were shit in both FA Cup games which were played before the CL squad deadline.

I think it has something to do with a disagreement over tactics. We did great when he was forced to change it in December, then fell to pieces as soon as Kompany and Aguero came back and reverted to the system from earlier in the season. Since then, the only game that stands out is the Newcastle one where we played proper football and all the players got stuck in, Dzeko in particular was magnificent that game, almost certainly in response to the manager selecting him over Bony (which given the Jovetic decision happened around that time, suggests that his omission from the CL squad wasn't a factor).

However, issues like Jovetic's omission and Milner's contract are sure to have eroded some goodwill amongst a group of players that have been together a relatively long time now.

We won 10 & drew 2 upto10 Jan where we drew at Everton. Bony signed that week (media said he would take Jovetic's spot) & we've won 4 games since.

I'm not talking about a revolt, just disquiet leading perhaps to the final nail in the coffin of both Pellegrini & some of the players. I think that could possibly have been the start of it; whinging behind the scenes about who gets left out, etc & it's gradually eroded the team spirit, perhaps leading to the powers that be looking for a new manager.

We looked absolutely full on champions & it has completely fallen apart, almost instantly, seemingly without any good reason.

I've never seen anything like it.......i'm sure with the exits there will be some dirty linen hung out over the summer, so we will get an idea eventually

[Wooders]

Our run in is relatively ok - I think top four should be a given - major changes to the squad need to happen this summer

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

better question is why does hart still have a job. he was easily the worse city player on the pitch yesterday.

Aah, but it was wonderful when he patted him bessie mate Wooney early on. That was the highlight of the game for me.

As for Pellegrini, he'll be here till the end of the season and then no doubt the question will be asked (but only if we have a replacement lined up, this is not a job we can give to just any manager). I'm personally not bothered about the managerial situation at the moment as it's a distraction from the sight of our players performing their serial 'downing of tools' for a whole season. Wankers (mostly).

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Cast your minds back to Manuel first loss 3-2 to Cardiff I knew then by the manner of the defeat this guy was never the man to take us forward . This team was gift wrapped for him for fuck sake . These kind of defeats have been a trait for his tenure . Ok we have signed poo recently but the clear lack of defensive organization is what disappoints me the most . And if I see another outswinging corner this season ..... Its now time we went out and got a manager who will not accept this shit from our players . Whip off your rose tinted specks and get nasty with these fucking fools . Here's one for you aswell aguero only has one foot and can't head the ball

We've already tried that type of manager at the club which ended with the players not turning up for a Cup Final and handing the title over before the end of November. What we need is some players that actually have fight in them and don't needing kicking up the arse as they are driven individuals. As for Aguero, cast your mind back to the away goal at Chelsea last season when he hammered the ball into the roof of the net, or the incredible control of his first goal at home to the rags last season, both with his 'wrong' foot. Hardly one-footed. By the way, Aguero is one of the few who fights for the team regardless of the circumstances.

[Nige]

Nige wrote:
The only way Pellegrini can retrieve any respect is by dropping the few players who are either on their way or completely out if form for the last few games,
YaYa
Nasri
Kompany
Dzeko
Navas(50/50 on him)


Milner is injured & maybe going, Jovetic probably going.

So what's the team ?

Ted, barker on the left. Bryan in centre mid with Fern. Fill the bench ith EDS.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Ted, barker on the left. Bryan in centre mid with Fern. Fill the bench ith EDS.

While TH, DH and Twosips do a tremendous job with reporting on our youth teams and their progress, I do wonder if people haven't read too much into their reports. I don't think any of them have, with one or two exceptions perhaps, said that we have a bunch of players ready for the first team. We'll see what happens, if Kidd takes another crack at caretaking one or two might show up in league games, but in general, we need to not put too much pressure on our up and coming academy produced players. Patience.

[Nige]

It's pace, workrate and fitness I want to see. Buzzing around opening up angles for others. Not slow sideways walks towards the halfway line. I'm sure the EDS lads would increase the tempo.

[Ted Hughes]

I'd have no problem with a player or two from the EDS getting a game now the title has gone, just not too many starting at once.

Regarding that; Fellaini vs Clichy, shows the problem which has to be solved when some of these kids do come through. Angelino can do a lot of stuff Clichy can't, but he aint stopping Fellaini in that situation. We will have to take steps to avoid this kind of thing, & that stands if any of the kids get games now.

[PeterParker]

Again the constant EDS bollox and i ask again: When was the last time a youngster got a regular place?

It will not happen, forget about it. None of those kids will get any chance under any manager and i mean any manager. It is a lot in stake and the board will not decide to risk it with youngsters and no manager will give them any chances, again, normal, imho, because any manager that comes here is interested in a short term result, he doesn't care about building a team for the next 10 years.

Regarding Pellers, there are two problems here. The players, 80 % of the current situation. They are the caused we are so shit at this moment and here we are talking about attitude and, let's face it, tiredness because of the World Cup last summer.

Now, why is Pellers fault in my opinion: I think he knows the board will not offer him a new contract, he knew it from a while now. If you are at you jobs and there are rumours you are going, even if you lead at what you do, how he did on Boxing day, and those rumours come from inside, you don't work that much anymore. Your attitude it's now: fuck it, so be it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Ted, barker on the left. Bryan in centre mid with Fern. Fill the bench ith EDS.

While TH, DH and Twosips do a tremendous job with reporting on our youth teams and their progress, I do wonder if people haven't read too much into their reports. I don't think any of them have, with one or two exceptions perhaps, said that we have a bunch of players ready for the first team. We'll see what happens, if Kidd takes another crack at caretaking one or two might show up in league games, but in general, we need to not put too much pressure on our up and coming academy produced players. Patience.

You never know how these kids will perform until you put them into the mix, right now we have fuckall to lose as with our current performances we are in free fall mode - the fucking "TRAJECTORY" is for scary reading.

To just blame FFP is absolute BOLLOCKS....we spunked away fuckign millions on misfit Mangala and Fernando isn't exactly lightening up the sky is he.
We have had a shit season as we have been managed badly , blame the players ?????,well whose the cunt that puts the team out ?????

[Ted Hughes]

Again the constant EDS bollox and i ask again: When was the last time a youngster got a regular place?

It will not happen, forget about it. None of those kids will get any chance under any manager and i mean any manager. It is a lot in stake and the board will not decide to risk it with youngsters and no manager will give them any chances, again, normal, imho, because any manager that comes here is interested in a short term result, he doesn't care about building a team for the next 10 years.

Regarding Pellers, there are two problems here. The players, 80 % of the current situation. They are the caused we are so shit at this moment and here we are talking about attitude and, let's face it, tiredness because of the World Cup last summer.

Now, why is Pellers fault in my opinion: I think he knows the board will not offer him a new contract, he knew it from a while now. If you are at you jobs and there are rumours you are going, even if you lead at what you do, how he did on Boxing day, and those rumours come from inside, you don't work that much anymore. Your attitude it's now: fuck it, so be it.

The managers will have to start using them as the owner & Chairman will demand it. Changing managers will slow it down but it won't stop it. That has been the core plan since the takeover. Most ignore it so haven't followed it. I have always been interested in it, so have done. Khaldoon spent most of his time at the academy, when the club was first taken over. Some were obsessed with Hughes & Robinho, I was reading & listening to Khaldoon. Always have.

There will be no point in not using some of these players anyway, as some of them will be better than the players we could sign. That isn't the case yet but it will be.

[Nick]

what the fuck do we lose by putting a kid in ahead of yaya dzeko or kolorov or regularly contribute fuck all? its like we are playing with 8-10 men every week anyway so I'm not sure how bringing Barker on for 45 minutes is going to make us any worse.

[lets all have a disco]

Where has Pozo gone?

[Lee_R]

Rumour hes quit?

Edit: Ignore..think its bollocks

[twosips]

Re the earlier posts. I don't think any of the EDS lads are ready to be relied on, no, but I do think giving one or two of some chances between now and the end of the season would be a good thing. Not even cause of all the shit that's been happening recently - purely because they deserve that anyway on merit. It'll make next season a fuck load easier for us too if say 3 of the kids had already made their debuts. Might be too late for that many now but even if we just saw Barker make two substitute appearances and Bryan or Angelino etc got a bit of time too we'd be doing the right thing.

[Hazy2]

Scary thing is the kids, might just cop a bucket load of shit if the Hammers score 1st, fans and timing not the best to blood kids, we need CL or the signing pool will be smaller than it is gonna be, I The scum are back in the mix now for players.

[twosips]

I wouldn't bother with any of the defenders this year. Too much to ask from them in that horror story we call our defence - could destroy their confidence.

Midfielders and forwards are another story though. It's a shame that Ambrose and Boadu are injured as they would be two i think could do alright and maybe offer something going forward. Barker and Bryan are the two current obvious ones for me. Angelino and Maffeo can wait until next year, though if i had to choose one to blood defensively i'd go for Maffeo as I really doubt he can be as poor as Sagna and Zaba have this year.

[Moonchesteri]

I wouldn't bother with any of the defenders this year. Too much to ask from them in that horror story we call our defence - could destroy their confidence.

Midfielders and forwards are another story though. It's a shame that Ambrose and Boadu are injured as they would be two i think could do alright and maybe offer something going forward. Barker and Bryan are the two current obvious ones for me. Angelino and Maffeo can wait until next year, though if i had to choose one to blood defensively i'd go for Maffeo as I really doubt he can be as poor as Sagna and Zaba have this year.

Wingers and forwards yes, but imagine putting Bryan in the middle with Yaya for example. Talk about potential confidence destroying moment..

Barker deserves to get his debut before the season is over but Im not sure that will happen. Hope I'm wrong