Gerard fankwest

[Ted Hughes]

I agree he was that important to Liverpool, & a fantastic talent but imo he has always been about himself & the 'pinging' of passes would be done because he can, not because it's merited.

His performance after 'the slip' last season said it all imo. Loads of pinging, loads of long distance shots, when what it needed was Paul Scholes.

For that reason, I'm out.

[South Stand Balti]

Gerard is easily the best English midfielder of his generation and one of the best players I've seen in the flesh. People go on about Scholes and how 'world class' he was because he scored two wonder goals a season...its bollocks. Gerard carried Liverpool singlehanded on many occasions and most importantly to a champions league final win. The guy in his day had it all. He was a leader, he could ping a pass from one side of the pitch to the other, he could tackle, he scored many fantastic AND important goals. The guy was fuckin class. Not sure what he was like off the pitch because I've never met him but on it he was in a league of his own.

Not sure about best English midfielder, but a lot of what you say about him is true. Wouldn't necessarily agree about him single handedly carrying Liverpool in the champs league final. I would argue that the changing of that game was Didi Hamman in the second half. Actually the more I disect what you say the less I agree with.
He owes Liverpool nothing though. Served them well but well past it now.

I said 'best English midfielder of his generation'. Can you name a more complete midfielder in his generation than him? Basically you're looking at Scholes, Lampard, or Gerard.

Those 3 achieved very little at international level. Problem is there have not been that many good English players about. The Prem is hardly littered with them. Not much competition for Stevie Me really.. I thought Joe Cole was technically more gifted but was always on the treatment table.

[DoomMerchant]

I agree he was that important to Liverpool, & a fantastic talent but imo he has always been about himself & the 'pinging' of passes would be done because he can, not because it's merited.

His performance after 'the slip' last season said it all imo. Loads of pinging, loads of long distance shots, when what it needed was Paul Scholes.

For that reason, I'm out.

He is who he is. You can't expect him after nrarky 20 years at top level to change his game.

He's way way less worse than a cunt like Terry. Not even a close race.

Cheers

[Ted Hughes]

I agree he was that important to Liverpool, & a fantastic talent but imo he has always been about himself & the 'pinging' of passes would be done because he can, not because it's merited.

His performance after 'the slip' last season said it all imo. Loads of pinging, loads of long distance shots, when what it needed was Paul Scholes.

For that reason, I'm out.

He is who he is. You can't expect him after nrarky 20 years at top level to change his game.

He's way way less worse than a cunt like Terry. Not even a close race.

Cheers

Apart from the racist thing, I would say they merit a quite similar score on the shithead scale.

In fact when I think about it, Gerrard winning the title would have felt like Beckham coming back & winning it. John Terry hasn't even registered with me.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'll really, really miss him.

He's been awful for the ScouseScum this season, being well past his 'sell-by date', so I'd really like to see him playing for them for another couple of years and dragging them down even further.

Moreover, if there's any tension between him and Bodgers, then that's even better.

Don't go Stevie boy, don't leave.

[iwasthere2012]

Gerard is easily the best English midfielder of his generation and one of the best players I've seen in the flesh. People go on about Scholes and how 'world class' he was because he scored two wonder goals a season...its bollocks. Gerard carried Liverpool singlehanded on many occasions and most importantly to a champions league final win. The guy in his day had it all. He was a leader, he could ping a pass from one side of the pitch to the other, he could tackle, he scored many fantastic AND important goals. The guy was fuckin class. Not sure what he was like off the pitch because I've never met him but on it he was in a league of his own.

Not sure about best English midfielder, but a lot of what you say about him is true. Wouldn't necessarily agree about him single handedly carrying Liverpool in the champs league final. I would argue that the changing of that game was Didi Hamman in the second half. Actually the more I disect what you say the less I agree with.
He owes Liverpool nothing though. Served them well but well past it now.

I said 'best English midfielder of his generation'. Can you name a more complete midfielder in his generation than him? Basically you're looking at Scholes, Lampard, or Gerard.

Won't argue with you on that point. When I say 'not sure if he was best English midfielder', I'm basically copping out and leaving it for the 'English' to decide on that. Only fair. Don't agree that he had everything though, in his heyday. He could drag Liverpool through on his own, but he could never do what the likes of Pirlo still can, and make it look simple.
I'm not disrespecting the guy either. He was very good, just not a great.

[Im_Spartacus]

Gerard is easily the best English midfielder of his generation and one of the best players I've seen in the flesh. People go on about Scholes and how 'world class' he was because he scored two wonder goals a season...its bollocks. Gerard carried Liverpool singlehanded on many occasions and most importantly to a champions league final win. The guy in his day had it all. He was a leader, he could ping a pass from one side of the pitch to the other, he could tackle, he scored many fantastic AND important goals. The guy was fuckin class. Not sure what he was like off the pitch because I've never met him but on it he was in a league of his own.

Not sure about best English midfielder, but a lot of what you say about him is true. Wouldn't necessarily agree about him single handedly carrying Liverpool in the champs league final. I would argue that the changing of that game was Didi Hamman in the second half. Actually the more I disect what you say the less I agree with.
He owes Liverpool nothing though. Served them well but well past it now.

I said 'best English midfielder of his generation'. Can you name a more complete midfielder in his generation than him? Basically you're looking at Scholes, Lampard, or Gerard.

Won't argue with you on that point. When I say 'not sure if he was best English midfielder', I'm basically copping out and leaving it for the 'English' to decide on that. Only fair. Don't agree that he had everything though, in his heyday. He could drag Liverpool through on his own, but he could never do what the likes of Pirlo still can, and make it look simple.
I'm not disrespecting the guy either. He was very good, just not a great.

Chelsea fans would always say Lampard, and his scoring rate is incredibly impressive compared to Gerrard. as an all round player though Gerrard would still be my first pick of the two, and I simply never understood the hype about Scholes.

The Pirlo comparison in my opinion shows just how good he was. He could do some of what Pirlo can, in the same way as Pirlo can do Some of what Gerrard can - but two very different players - for me, I'd have loved a midfield with both, but in a single team, a player like Pirlo wouldn't work without a player like Gerrard alongside him.

Let's put it this way, had he been called Stephano Gerrardinho, many English fans would have put him up there as one of the very best players in the world in the last 20 years

[Wonderwall]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

[Slim]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

[Wonderwall]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

[Slim]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

It's a tough one, I know Matthaus played as a striker for part of his career, we could include Maradona who played as a midfielder as well but I think we'll go with what they were best known for. Socrates on the other hand, what a freak of a player.

[mr_nool]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

It's a tough one, I know Matthaus played as a striker for part of his career, we could include Maradona who played as a midfielder as well but I think we'll go with what they were best known for. Socrates on the other hand, what a freak of a player.

He also played as a sweeper, which sort of evens it out.

[Wonderwall]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

It's a tough one, I know Matthaus played as a striker for part of his career, we could include Maradona who played as a midfielder as well but I think we'll go with what they were best known for. Socrates on the other hand, what a freak of a player.

thats the first nice thing I have seen you write about Socrates ;-)

[Nigels Tackle]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

Socrates on the other hand, what a freak.

thats the first nice thing I have seen you write about Socrates ;-)

really?

[Slim]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I think he's third behind Socrates and Matthaus.

Great knowledge bro, thanks for that, I genuinely had no idea

It's a tough one, I know Matthaus played as a striker for part of his career, we could include Maradona who played as a midfielder as well but I think we'll go with what they were best known for. Socrates on the other hand, what a freak of a player.

thats the first nice thing I have seen you write about Socrates ;-)

It will be a forever tainted name by that association.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Lampard > Gerrard, the stats are incredible for Lampard, he must be one of the best scoring midfielders of all time anywhere. Gerrard was good as well, he could be a complete game changer. However, the pair of them were absolute dogshit at international level.

I always thought successive England managers were at fault there, by trying to shoe-horn the pair of them into semi-rigid 4-4-2 formation.

There was inevitably the theoretical discussion based around "if one of them goes forward, the other has to stay back to cover....."

I invariably thought the pair of them would have been far better together, slotted into the '3' of a 4-2-3-1 configuration.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

There are some oppo players who when they get the ball, worry you to death. They're dangerous, you want them marked tight or booted a few times.
Stevie Meeeee is not one of them. Never quite seen what people get so excited about. Eaearrrrrrrrrrm.

[Wooders]

This is great :
[tweet]https://twitter.com/squires_david/status/599510060599889920[/tweet]

[Wooders]

Ok, that didn't work - here's a link:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/cartoon/2015/jan/15/david-squires-steven-gerrard-liverpool-farewell

[dick dastardley]

And when slippy goes they're expecting milner to take the.mantle, I don't think milner will be a success at the dippers because he's very limited in what he can do.