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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby aaron bond » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:22 am

They should both be playing. All our best performances this season have been when they're both on the field.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:37 pm

Navis only has ONE problems imo , his final pass is shite..it's like his only goal is to get pass someone and whack it into the area without picking out anyone in particular -He should also be a bit quicker at releasing the ball...too many times he hits a defender.

Overall I think hes more effective coming on as a sub in the second half........we just seem to improve with this tactic.

I think PEP will sort this problem out....and he will make Sterling 100% better.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:54 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:How many goals has pony got this season?

Edit: scratch that, my argument was going to be that whilst bony offers some form of goal threat it doesn't mean we should press on with him in the starting line up, but i think he only has four!

I think the sterling of late has been awful and a bit of a bottle job if I'm honest.

Navas never bottles it.


That last comment has to be a wind up mate.


Didn't Navas miss an open net against Palace because his bottle went? The guy gets the ball on the right, looks to take the defender on, his bottle goes so he just hits it at the fullback.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby dazby » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:13 pm

Ask yourself the following question. Is 21 year ok Sterling going to get better? If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then sell him and let him get better at another club, which he will. Hope we get a nice price.

For Navas, ask yourself the following question. Is Pep going to use Navas pace correctly? If the answer is yes, keep. If the answer is no, cash in.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby iwasthere2012 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:17 pm

dazby wrote:Ask yourself the following question. Is 21 year ok Sterling going to get better? If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then sell him and let him get better at another club, which he will. Hope we get a nice price.

For Navas, ask yourself the following question. Is Pep going to use Navas pace correctly? If the answer is yes, keep. If the answer is no, cash in.

I suspect the answer to both questions is yes.
I think Pep will improve both.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:20 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
dazby wrote:Ask yourself the following question. Is 21 year ok Sterling going to get better? If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then sell him and let him get better at another club, which he will. Hope we get a nice price.

For Navas, ask yourself the following question. Is Pep going to use Navas pace correctly? If the answer is yes, keep. If the answer is no, cash in.

I suspect the answer to both questions is yes.
I think Pep will improve both.


I honestly don't think Navas will be here next year.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby phips » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:26 pm

bigblue wrote:
phips wrote:even with the injuries Sterling has done little to warrant a starting berth ahead of the current crop of available players.

...besides being our second leading scorer, third highest in assists, and pass completion similar to Yaya and Dave.

appreciate the love. i feel honored that im like the 10th person to say this but you choose to attack me. #blessed.
so, ill post someone else's response that echoes my sentiments as a response to you:

Abu Dhabi wrote:For me it Navas over Raheem.

I know he scored 6 league goals, but once he starts scoring against proper teams, not Villa, Sunderland and Bournemouth, then it might change.

(yes i know he scored vs. Sevilla)

plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby iwasthere2012 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:32 pm

Mase wrote:
iwasthere2012 wrote:
dazby wrote:Ask yourself the following question. Is 21 year ok Sterling going to get better? If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then sell him and let him get better at another club, which he will. Hope we get a nice price.

For Navas, ask yourself the following question. Is Pep going to use Navas pace correctly? If the answer is yes, keep. If the answer is no, cash in.

I suspect the answer to both questions is yes.
I think Pep will improve both.


I honestly don't think Navas will be here next year.

You may well be right Mase. His age is creeping up on him, but I just have a hunch that Pep may, with the Spanish connection, be able to coax a decent season or two out of him.
I know Pellers speaks Spanish, so that's not the problem. If Pep sees a role for him I think he has the ability to convey that to each individual. I think his ball control is good rnough, for Pep. Others should be more worried.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby bigblue » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:15 pm

phips wrote:plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.


Well some of us have known about football for a bit more than a few years. Have you ever even played football? Like in a game (not just kicking a ball in a park)?
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:15 pm

phips wrote:
bigblue wrote:
phips wrote:even with the injuries Sterling has done little to warrant a starting berth ahead of the current crop of available players.

...besides being our second leading scorer, third highest in assists, and pass completion similar to Yaya and Dave.

appreciate the love. i feel honored that im like the 10th person to say this but you choose to attack me. #blessed.
so, ill post someone else's response that echoes my sentiments as a response to you:

Abu Dhabi wrote:For me it Navas over Raheem.

I know he scored 6 league goals, but once he starts scoring against proper teams, not Villa, Sunderland and Bournemouth, then it might change.

(yes i know he scored vs. Sevilla)

plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.


he picks Pony, nothing else to add
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Mase » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:21 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
phips wrote:
bigblue wrote:
phips wrote:even with the injuries Sterling has done little to warrant a starting berth ahead of the current crop of available players.

...besides being our second leading scorer, third highest in assists, and pass completion similar to Yaya and Dave.

appreciate the love. i feel honored that im like the 10th person to say this but you choose to attack me. #blessed.
so, ill post someone else's response that echoes my sentiments as a response to you:

Abu Dhabi wrote:For me it Navas over Raheem.

I know he scored 6 league goals, but once he starts scoring against proper teams, not Villa, Sunderland and Bournemouth, then it might change.

(yes i know he scored vs. Sevilla)

plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.


he picks Pony, nothing else to add


You beat me to it!!
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:08 pm

phips wrote:
bigblue wrote:
phips wrote:even with the injuries Sterling has done little to warrant a starting berth ahead of the current crop of available players.

...besides being our second leading scorer, third highest in assists, and pass completion similar to Yaya and Dave.

appreciate the love. i feel honored that im like the 10th person to say this but you choose to attack me. #blessed.
so, ill post someone else's response that echoes my sentiments as a response to you:

Abu Dhabi wrote:For me it Navas over Raheem.

I know he scored 6 league goals, but once he starts scoring against proper teams, not Villa, Sunderland and Bournemouth, then it might change.

(yes i know he scored vs. Sevilla)

plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.


You might have a point if it weren't for the fact that Sterling has played more than Navas this season.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby london blue 2 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:22 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:How many goals has pony got this season?

Edit: scratch that, my argument was going to be that whilst bony offers some form of goal threat it doesn't mean we should press on with him in the starting line up, but i think he only has four!

I think the sterling of late has been awful and a bit of a bottle job if I'm honest.

Navas never bottles it.


That last comment has to be a wind up mate.

I can see how you see that. I didn't mean in terms of goal scoring I mean in terms of playing in big matches against big players.

Although he buried the penalty when required.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby phips » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:31 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
phips wrote:plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something.

You might have a point if it weren't for the fact that Sterling has played more than Navas this season.

more minutes or more starts?
also, Navas was injured for how many matches (can't remember)? so that does play a part.


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Hazy2 wrote:
phips wrote:plus, how about the fact that Manuel keeps playing Navas over Sterling? surely thats got to count for something. he's a football manager and we're just on a forum.

he picks Pony, nothing else to add

You beat me to it!!

can't argue with that.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Slim » Fri Mar 18, 2016 4:29 am

Jesus Navas
Played:39
Goals:1
Assists:7
Minutes: 2,455'

Raheem Sterling
Played:41
Goals:11
Assists:10
Minutes: 2,782'

Navas was injured for 5 games.

Someone made a point earlier about Sterling scoring against lesser teams in the league. Navas scored his one goal against Norwich and his four league assists came against Newcastle, Swansea, Bournemouth and Villa. So...umm, point?
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Mar 18, 2016 7:46 am

Slim wrote:Jesus Navas
Played:39
Goals:1
Assists:7
Minutes: 2,455'



Raheem Sterling
Played:41
Goals:11
Assists:10
Minutes: 2,782'

Navas was injured for 5 games.

Someone made a point earlier about Sterling scoring against lesser teams in the league. Navas scored his one goal against Norwich and his four league assists came against Newcastle, Swansea, Bournemouth and Villa. So...umm, point?


Just to add, Sterling has missed 2 through injury.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Hazy2 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:01 am

london blue 2 wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:How many goals has pony got this season?

Edit: scratch that, my argument was going to be that whilst bony offers some form of goal threat it doesn't mean we should press on with him in the starting line up, but i think he only has four!

I think the sterling of late has been awful and a bit of a bottle job if I'm honest.

Navas never bottles it.


That last comment has to be a wind up mate.

I can see how you see that. I didn't mean in terms of goal scoring I mean in terms of playing in big matches against big players.

Although he buried the penalty when required.



It was more of his ability to tackle coming from a mile away and run away. or Hide from a header , he is a runner in every sense.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby london blue 2 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:14 am

Hazy2 wrote:

It was more of his ability to tackle coming from a mile away and run away. or Hide from a header , he is a runner in every sense.


Mate reading that in isolation I wouldn't know if you were talking about Navas or Raheem lol
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby PrezIke » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:17 pm

The new BM podcast, Doug, Slim and some others summarize my feelings on Sterling.

He is not going to get better sitting on the bench, and while Navas is not a bad option, he is zero threat to score, so he can be defended as such, and is far too often a one-trick pony. He and Sterling both offer pace, and track back well (Sterling has made some vital tackles more so though), and while Navas offers us more width with his crossing, Sterling's has improved from his time at Liverpool, and doesn't just cut inside anymore.

Raheem has been inconsistent, his finishing and decision making not always so great, but I don't see Navas's being better in these areas at all. Often he is less direct than we would like, running and then passing back to a fullback or centre midfielder. I also disagree with the notion (PP) that he has not come up in big games. In the Prem, yes, while also being booed wildly all season in away games, but in CL he had some very big games, as well as in the League Cup as I recall.

He's 21 years old, and a potential world class player. Why it is clear to sit Sterling over Navas, I don't understand, when he needs to get games to improve. Of course, Pellegrini is gone so his investment in the future is only what he promised to the hierarchy, but he also has his own legacy to be concerned with. I am guessing he has a better relationship with Navas and feels he is more consistent. Yet, we are struggling to score, and Navas has started in 2 of the 3 games we have now scored zero goals.

I really hope Manuel has Raheem starting in the derby on Sunday.
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Re: Navas ahead of Sterling?

Postby Dubciteh » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:44 am

Watched a documentary a while ago where Del Boaque claimed that bringin on Navas in the Wc final in 2010 won them the match, said holland couldnt deal with him. Was interesting view point.

I like Navas and i think at the moment he deserves to start ahead of Sterling, having said that Sterling is the better player and has more potential but on current form he is terrible.

I think Navas has a role for us in certain situations where we use certain tactics, he shouldnt always be a starter but injuries to alternative players have meant we have had no choice, he still has a key role to play in future if used correctly and i expect that will happen with Pep.
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