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Nigels Tackle wrote:sancho was unreal for dortmund tonight apparently

whoever said that was exagerating!No doubt one of our great reporters going OTT as they do. Scored an excellent goal from a very tight angle (keeper!!) and played quite well.

Just part of a good win for the team. He showed the talent he has a few times but he also showed a good work ethic. Having seen him plenty over the last few years this was not one of those special nights where he ripped a defence apart ot anything like it. BUT he is a serious talent of that there should be no doubt

I don't think it's as straight forward as the lower half teams being shit. I think that most of them just can't cope with possession and pressing football. Even more so against us and dippers because both teams are well coached and drilled. The weaker teams still have a lot of joy against the likes of Rags. To counter pressing you need great technical players at the back which just isn't the case for most teams in the division. And because our and the dipper center backs are very good passers, gone are the days where a team can simply isolate and win the ball up front and score a goal. I occasionally watch some older games from around 2010-12 and I observe how frequently the goals came from one of the defenders losing the ball in a dangerous position.

Also the squad depth we and dippers now have means we can put in a stronger team even with a large number of players rested.

Imo, the young generation of English homegrown players is starting to have much better technique and we will see more and more teams passing out from the back in the next 5-10 years.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:

Nigels Tackle wrote:sancho was unreal for dortmund tonight apparently

whoever said that was exagerating!No doubt one of our great reporters going OTT as they do. Scored an excellent goal from a very tight angle (keeper!!) and played quite well.

Just part of a good win for the team. He showed the talent he has a few times but he also showed a good work ethic. Having seen him plenty over the last few years this was not one of those special nights where he ripped a defence apart ot anything like it. BUT he is a serious talent of that there should be no doubt

did you watch the clip in the sun link?
that piece of play the show before they show his goal was UNREAL. likewise his footwork to help set up their consolation goal in midweek. the kid is way better than foden imo

PeterParker wrote:I am a bit worried that some here felt in the trap Sky set with "the best league in world" and crap like that and fail to see the obvious and how poor half the teams really are.

Liverpool are not that good, they are better than last year, but they are not as good as we were last year. The have a shitload of luck so far this year, managed to get through in the Champions League with a fluke of a rule, but had fantastic luck in key moments this season: penalty with us, goal in the last minute vs PSG, goal in the last minute vs Chelsea, red card to given for VD vs Napoli, or that goal vs Everton.

Beside that they faced really, REALLY POOR teams and let's face it, so did we. There were times when you would go to the bottom 3-4 teams and could snatch a 2-1 win if you were lucky because they played for their future.

Dippers are better than season and that bit of luck, or could we call it game management from the PL, will see them challengers by the end of the season.

You are right in the notion that the league is competitive, but only for the top few. I find it absolutely appalling that after a huge upsurge of finances from the new contract that clubs have chosen to pocket the money instead of investing.

I do wonder, if we fell away sharply and the Dippers carried on with their form, would the competition still be regarded as boring, as it was last season?

People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

So the point is....

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

and the rest mate. the kid is a future balon d’or winner. can see him taking over from messi and ronaldo when they retire

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:

Nigels Tackle wrote:sancho was unreal for dortmund tonight apparently

whoever said that was exagerating!No doubt one of our great reporters going OTT as they do. Scored an excellent goal from a very tight angle (keeper!!) and played quite well.

Just part of a good win for the team. He showed the talent he has a few times but he also showed a good work ethic. Having seen him plenty over the last few years this was not one of those special nights where he ripped a defence apart ot anything like it. BUT he is a serious talent of that there should be no doubt

Exactly, i watched a lot of the game - flipping to and fro to see Wolves cock up in front of goal. His goal was REAL rather then unreal and actually should have been stopped considering the angle and the fact that the defender missed the block and probably the goalie thought it might go wide.

Sancho is having a great season though and good luck to him.

Would he have scored that penalty though at scousepool - given the chance !

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

So the point is....

Haha you argue just to argue sometimes.

Point is, he's better at dribbling than Adama.

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

So the point is....

Haha you argue just to argue sometimes.

Point is, he's better at dribbling than Adama.

Still not sure what you're saying the point is.

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

He's worth that Money because you say do Mase?

Come on , get real . We paid good money for KdB because , over several years he proved his value.

Let Sancho prove everyone at City wrong over the next couple of seasons before we talk about 50 mill

Raheem , btw did actually prove he was worth the investment after his spell at scousepool,by getting even better at City.

It's not even xmas in his first top league season.

zuricity wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

He's worth that Money because you say do Mase?

Come on , get real . We paid good money for KdB because , over several years he proved his value.

Let Sancho prove everyone at City wrong over the next couple of seasons before we talk about 50 mill

Raheem , btw did actually prove he was worth the investment after his spell at scousepool,by getting even better at City.

It's not even xmas in his first top league season.

I don’t think he'll be proving anyone at City wrong, the club knew how good he was, that's why they offered him the money they did to try get him to stay when he had just turned 17.

zuricity wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

He's worth that Money because you say do Mase?

Come on , get real . We paid good money for KdB because , over several years he proved his value.

Let Sancho prove everyone at City wrong over the next couple of seasons before we talk about 50 mill

Raheem , btw did actually prove he was worth the investment after his spell at scousepool,by getting even better at City.

It's not even xmas in his first top league season.

18 years old. 6 bundasliga goals and 1 in the cl + 11 assists. he is the real deal with unreal skills - the first c10 seconds of this clip are ridiculous...

Nigels Tackle wrote:

zuricity wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

He's worth that Money because you say do Mase?

Come on , get real . We paid good money for KdB because , over several years he proved his value.

Let Sancho prove everyone at City wrong over the next couple of seasons before we talk about 50 mill

Raheem , btw did actually prove he was worth the investment after his spell at scousepool,by getting even better at City.

It's not even xmas in his first top league season.

18 years old. 6 bundasliga goals and 1 in the cl + 11 assists. he is the real deal with unreal skills - the first c10 seconds of this clip are ridiculous...

Player of the month for October / November was it ? not bad for player that's not really unreal )))

RE the post somewhere above , throwing money at a player like him doesn't make us ''we did all we could to keep him '' (To be fair , I was also in this camp at the time , but Im not a fuckign decision maker at City who saw him play morning noon and night am I !! ) they should have given him minutes on the pitch.

He will 100% be one of the most expensive players in football end of this season - hes already worth 5 times more than we flogged him for.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

So the point is....

Haha you argue just to argue sometimes.

Point is, he's better at dribbling than Adama.

Still not sure what you're saying the point is.

It's in the last sentence of my original post.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Nigels Tackle wrote:

zuricity wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

He's worth that Money because you say do Mase?

Come on , get real . We paid good money for KdB because , over several years he proved his value.

Let Sancho prove everyone at City wrong over the next couple of seasons before we talk about 50 mill

Raheem , btw did actually prove he was worth the investment after his spell at scousepool,by getting even better at City.

It's not even xmas in his first top league season.

18 years old. 6 bundasliga goals and 1 in the cl + 11 assists. he is the real deal with unreal skills - the first c10 seconds of this clip are ridiculous...

Player of the month for October / November was it ? not bad for player that's not really unreal )))

RE the post somewhere above , throwing money at a player like him doesn't make us ''we did all we could to keep him '' (To be fair , I was also in this camp at the time , but Im not a fuckign decision maker at City who saw him play morning noon and night am I !! ) they should have given him minutes on the pitch.

He will 100% be one of the most expensive players in football end of this season - hes already worth 5 times more than we flogged him for.

The breakdown in contract talks reportedly came about because he wanted assurances over playing time, we can't give anyone assurances over playing time, even seasoned internationals with multiple trophies under their belts don't get them assurances, playing time is earned, you're asking for trouble having it any other way, especially from a kid, regardless of his potential/talent.

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mase wrote:People missing the point re: Sancho. He's now worth, what, £50-60 million Dortmund could get. And we sold him for? If we'd put him out on loan and he'd performed we'd have got more than 50p for him.

So the point is....

Haha you argue just to argue sometimes.

Point is, he's better at dribbling than Adama.

Still not sure what you're saying the point is.

It's in the last sentence of my original post.

We didn't get enough for him?

In hindsight - you think we did?

Mase wrote:In hindsight - you think we did?

I think for a player that just turned 17 and had never played a minute of senior football in his life that we probably couldn't have demanded much more, we apparently have a first refusal clause and I've also seen conflicting reports on a sell on clause of 15%, if that's true we've done ok and I'm not sure we could've done much better, especially when you consider the alternative was him running down his contract.