mansour and khaldoon

[Nigels Tackle]

Benefit of doubt ended at around 11.20pm on Sunday with the club statement.

shocked that so many on here can’t see that?

[zuricity]

There are too many "unknowns" about all this ESL thingy. as Rumsfeld said.

For example

1. where will this organisation be based ? Offices ? Location ?
If not Mainland europe. London ?

2 Since it is a Business Activity - It cannot claim Charity Status as does UEFA in Nyon and FIFA in Canton Zürich.

I can't see how it could be a Cayman islands organisation working in Europe extracting money and not paying any taxes either.

So now it is time for the Rags to have their status cancelled in the Premier League because they are registered outside the UK .

[Hazy2]

I dont need to hear any background noise from anyone - our owners expect us to fit between 18 and 25 games into an already packed domestic/international schedule - if I give them the benefit of being naive enough to believe that is possible. Which I don't.

They have undone it all for me. A yank led project that will see the YANKS WIN WIN WIN Stay Tuned for The Manchester DEVILS TAKING ON LIVERPOOL LEGACY IN THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. 24 TEAMS NFL STYLE BOLLOCKS.

This is where I'm afraid it will all end up and won't be so far away in the distance when that game is then played in Tampa or Outer mongolia or wherever the fuck they want

Draft picks, PPV THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LIVE FROM DUBAI 4AM DONT MISS IT. 4 Halfs of 22.5 mins with commercials.THE CLUB HAVE BEEN FUCKED OVER BY THE SAME WANKERS THAT TRIED TO RUIN US !!!.

[Hazy2]

Class act our owners

[sheblue]

A pair of top lads.

[PeterParker]

Magnificent

[Dameerto]

Just don't pull a fucking stunt like this again.

[ross.mcfc]

We're still owned at explanation.

We'll be tarred with this for years.

[nottsblue]

We're still owned at explanation.

We'll be tarred with this for years.

No we won’t. It won’t be brushed under the carpet in a matter of days/weeks even, but in due course it will be forgotten. Something else will come along to take people’s attention. It always does.

But you are absolutely correct that we as fans deserve an explanation for the reasons that we deemed it appropriate and necessary to follow the path we did and perhaps even more importantly, the reasons for our u turn and whether we can expect further changes under their watch in the coming years

[Mase]

Two absolute top shaggers that were playing a late April fools.

[salford city]

Never doubted them.............

[Dubaimancityfan]

We're still owned at explanation.

We'll be tarred with this for years.

No we won’t. It won’t be brushed under the carpet in a matter of days/weeks even, but in due course it will be forgotten. Something else will come along to take people’s attention. It always does.

But you are absolutely correct that we as fans deserve an explanation for the reasons that we deemed it appropriate and necessary to follow the path we did and perhaps even more importantly, the reasons for our u turn and whether we can expect further changes under their watch in the coming years

I think the only reason they went along with this is the fear that this ESL will take off and we will be left out. Obviously it was not for the money. They got some bad advise and maybe someone at the club will end up paying for it.

[johnny crossan]

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

[ross.mcfc]

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

Sounds lovely but fantasy stuff. I do have sympathy for the position they were put in.

They had the choice between joining a super league and double/treble value their investment but sell out the fans/pyramid or get into bed with Qatar and the Bayern, the team behind the fake Spiegel stories.

[Dameerto]

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

Even if that was true it doesn't make it okay - in fact it makes it worse in my opinion.
However I believe SOMEONE with the power to do so (either the chairman or the CEO) thought that City had to be involved or they'd lose out, without giving enough thought to the implications, not just for fans but for Pep and the fact they would be replacing a competition where City would play at most 13 games a season with one where they would play a MINIMUM of 18, and depending on success, either 23 or 25. With all that this would imply for involvement in domestic cups (assuming we were allowed to compete in them by the FA). That kind of oversight shouldn't go unpunished, it's borderline negligence.

[Simister]

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

Sounds lovely but fantasy stuff. I do have sympathy for the position they were put in.

They had the choice between joining a super league and double/treble value their investment but sell out the fans/pyramid or get into bed with Qatar and the Bayern, the team behind the fake Spiegel stories.

Agree completely.
I reckon there may be a mixture of luck and planning in some ratio.
Hopefully the truth will come out in time.

[Nigels Tackle]

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

did original dub come up with that one?!

[Bluemoon4610]

Screenshot_20210420-195423_Google.jpg

We're still owned at explanation.
We'll be tarred with this for years.

according to the ITKs of another place no explanation or apology is called for - it was a sting operation with Ceferin our inside man after all (apologies to those who get offended by pastes from this source)

"I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
His statement came out within minutes of our announcement. No way you get a statement out that fast if it’s not been pre-prepared."

Sounds like my theory from now on

did original dub come up with that one?!

Posted this pic on a family (mainly rags) WhatsApp thread yesterday saying it was where Khaldoon and Ceferin plotted the downfall of the ESL snakes. Was joking, but how good would it be it it transpired to be the truth!
Edit: not sure what happened but the picture has attached at the top of this quote...

[johnny crossan]

Screenshot_20210420-195423_Google.jpg

Posted this pic on a family (mainly rags) WhatsApp thread yesterday saying it was where Khaldoon and Ceferin plotted the downfall of the ESL snakes. Was joking, but how good would it be it it transpired to be the truth!
Edit: not sure what happened but the picture has attached at the top of this quote...