Pep extends to 2025?

[brite blu sky]

Well the damage was done by the time he threw Sterling on - but yes Palmer would have been an option - A far better option if we had trained him up though and the team had a way of playing to his strengths.
Anyway we have thread for last night, not going to keep dwelling on it here. The game was won and we switched off.

I said it when Pep arrived and i haven't seen anything to change my mind, as he pursues a kind of perfection with his system it always leaves a vunerability, that was there with his Barca side and is still there.

He is vunerable to chance football. Examples of this are Leeds last year 3-3, Spurs, Leicester, Dippers to some extent.

I can only imagine that we dont train to either: Play that way ourselves, or have a good way of coping with oppo that play like that.
I think these go together, we train to defend with our system and we train to attack with our system.
So out and out chance football is fucking alien to us, and one thing is for sure, if a decent team that plays like that we then dont know what to do to defend against it, we appear to be a shambles.

So in short pep teams can play in their structure both attack and defense, but can't deal with anything that breaks that perfect regime - like fast chancy football with one or two dangerous players.

To me that's it, that's Pep's weakness and it is as clear as day to me.

The solution, im not sure he is capable of, is to train and play like that ourselves as a plan B type of thing, so preparing us, knowing it as a style and so being better prepared to deal with from oppos.

[carl_feedthegoat]

“I will never change the style of play “

That answers your last part above .

[brite blu sky]

“I will never change the style of play “

That answers your last part above .

Exactly - that's why i think he isn't capable of adressing his own systems weakness. He believes in perfection.
And you are right to say he will probs never win the CL as that's where you get the most lethal teams and players.

I've never been bothered if he left us. Although i would prefer it if he got off his high horse and learnt another fucking style of play.
I'll add, that i didnt want Haaland either, as i thought Pep would waste him. However iv'e changed my mind on that.
If we get Haaland, with both the money and reputation, then it may well be the spark that forces Guardiola to adapt and start looking at other ways of playing that use Haaland to his best advantage.
I'm not holding out, but there is a decent chance of this.

If Pep fucks about and doesn't get the most out of Haaland then i'm done with Guardiola tbh.

[sheblue]

He's done very well without a striker. Getting to CL semi and still top of the league with 4 games to go is a good achievement without a talisman upfront. IF we had gotten Kane, all hypothetical but I bet his contribution in this team would mean were at least 5-6 points ahead in the league at this point and most probably in a CL final now.

How far would Real have gotten without Benzema? and the Murderers without Salads goals? Not a far as we did.

[Nick]

Imagine scouse with 3 or 4, belittles peps view of " cant win them all so throw the fa cup"

Said it last month we give up the fa cup only to bottle uefa. Give me the fa cup.

[Nick]

Shoukdnt be making do with no striker and one full back and a 37 year old dm

[Outcast]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget. We can talk about referees, dodgy decisions, outside influences, but the fact is, on two occasions we could have won this. Last year, that's on Pep, this year, I blame the players or whoever you want to blame. That's two great chances squandered. My concern, we're giving the vermins momentum to build on this for the future.
I think the main issue, the fans need to want it as much as the players, I just don't feel everyone is on board or it's just moving too slow. If we are dismissing it because of UEFA, they're no different to premier League in terms of corruption. You can make an argument, but underneath they're from the same mould. We can talk tactics, players, coaching, I just think it's a mental block more than anything. Of course the bulk of blame goes to manager and players but we do play a part.

Pep should extend another 5 years and build, adjustments need to be made otherwise we're going in circles as others pointed out. Yes it's not end of the world if he leaves, but there are no alternatives at the moment. I fear if he leaves now, we'll give the vermins the upper hand in the coming years.

[Harry Dowd scored]

Imagine scouse with 3 or 4, belittles peps view of " cant win them all so throw the fa cup"

Said it last month we give up the fa cup only to bottle uefa. Give me the fa cup.

If we had won the CL, it would have justified the semi final fuck up v the dippers because we haven’t/won’t you have to call it like it was a complete klusterfuck end of.

[Nick]

Imagine scouse with 3 or 4, belittles peps view of " cant win them all so throw the fa cup"

Said it last month we give up the fa cup only to bottle uefa. Give me the fa cup.

If we had won the CL, it would have justified the semi final fuck up v the dippers because we haven’t/won’t you have to call it like it was a complete klusterfuck end of.

Yep, but we always do. Imo we are better than liverpool away from anfield and should have hammered them BUT who is confident we wouldnt have shat our pants vs them? If an average madrid bottle us into two goals in two what could scouse do?

We need more leaders. Barely have one atm. Bern leads by example but isnt a motivator. Dias shit with laporte. Kdb plays like a sunday league player in 1 in 3 big games then moans at everyone else sterling, laporte, cancelo, mahrez shithouses

[Outcast]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget. We can talk about referees, dodgy decisions, outside influences, but the fact is, on two occasions we could have won this. Last year, that's on Pep, this year, I blame the players or whoever you want to blame. That's two great chances squandered. My concern, we're giving the vermins momentum to build on this for the future.
I think the main issue, the fans need to want it as much as the players, I just don't feel everyone is on board or it's just moving too slow. If we are dismissing it because of UEFA, they're no different to premier League in terms of corruption. You can make an argument, but underneath they're from the same mould. We can talk tactics, players, coaching, I just think it's a mental block more than anything. Of course the bulk of blame goes to manager and players but we do play a part.

Pep should extend another 5 years and build, adjustments need to be made otherwise we're going in circles as others pointed out. Yes it's not end of the world if he leaves, but there are are alternatives at the moment. I fear if he leaves now, we'll give the vermins the upper hand in the coming years.

[PeterParker]

Some reports say that he will sign an extension because he is more determined than ever.

I will take that, to be honest.
For me, the league will always mean more and he knows how to win it. I want that bent UCL, but not before the league.
Never.

[Nick]

How can we be to blame as fans? Everyone is gutted? Home support is different for europe, we still sell out, but some regular blues dont go fir various reasons (me included). But their spots are filled by photo taking day trippers, who seemingly, the club prefer.

Our away support is second to none. This year i did Lisbon, atletico and was due to do Real but the twats link the tickets to the passport and i had half an eye on Paris.

[Tokyo Blue]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

[carl_feedthegoat]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

Before this season theirs was 200 million spent per trophy and ours 100 and something million spent per trophy .

After this season , that little stat may well swing enormously in their favor .

[Tokyo Blue]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

Before this season theirs was 200 million spent per trophy and ours 100 and something million spent per trophy .

After this season , that little stat may well swing enormously in their favor .

Let's see, shall we.

Are we counting the hugely crucial world club cup and european charity shield in that?

[Outcast]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

He should have won one by now, I don't doubt his talent but he's becoming desperate and it's telling. Is it a case of not good enough or a mental block for the manager and players?

[Tokyo Blue]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

He should have won one by now, I don't doubt his talent but he's becoming desperate and it's telling. Is it a case of not good enough or a mental block for the manager and players?

It took baconface thirteen years to win it with the raggy rag shitbags.

[Scatman]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

He should have won one by now, I don't doubt his talent but he's becoming desperate and it's telling. Is it a case of not good enough or a mental block for the manager and players?

It took baconface thirteen years to win it with the raggy rag shitbags.

That's debatable

[carl_feedthegoat]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

Before this season theirs was 200 million spent per trophy and ours 100 and something million spent per trophy .

After this season , that little stat may well swing enormously in their favor .

Let's see, shall we.

Are we counting the hugely crucial world club cup and european charity shield in that?

Pep - (8 )- 3 premierships - 1 FA cup - 4 micky mouse cups
Klopp -(3) -1 premiership - 1 Champions league cup and 1 Micky mouse cup .

Dippers could add another 3 to their count and us 1 to our count .

[Tokyo Blue]

I hate to say it, Kloppy has reached 3 champions League finals with half of Peps budget.

Their wage bill is higher than ours, is it not? Perhaps that includes bills for hacking services and "inspirational drinks".

He should have won one by now, I don't doubt his talent but he's becoming desperate and it's telling. Is it a case of not good enough or a mental block for the manager and players?

It took baconface thirteen years to win it with the raggy rag shitbags.

That's debatable

Is it? 1986 he joined, 1999 he won it. Is there something to debate there?