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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Dubciteh » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:37 am

Mental that this is even a topic.

6 weeks ago we were top of the league, 4 in a row, GOAT manager, sitting pretty in CL and now some people want him gone. Ud have been committed to an asylum for even thinking it.

We will be fine, pep will be fine, we had a season like this a few years ago and he turned it round. We will be back to our best soon.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Sparklehorse » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:06 am

Dubciteh wrote:Mental that this is even a topic.

6 weeks ago we were top of the league, 4 in a row, GOAT manager, sitting pretty in CL and now some people want him gone. Ud have been committed to an asylum for even thinking it.

We will be fine, pep will be fine, we had a season like this a few years ago and he turned it round. We will be back to our best soon.

Well, let’s hope it’s soon because there will be no point getting back to our best if we’re out of everything.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:20 am

Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Harry Dowd scored » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:28 am

Try as I can, I do not see anything that is going to change any time during the foreseeable. We have a one dimensional manager in a multi dimensional world . But something needs to change & fast
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby stupot » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:32 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .

You've said he's fucked when he doesn't have all his top players available and you've been wrong every time until this season. We've missed players in every one of the 6 title winning seasons he's given us.
Who are the other top managers that make changes to stop the rot. Did Klopp when we he lost VVD and they didn't finish in the top 7. Did Arteta 2 seasons running when we've caught them up. Did Ancellotti when we pissed all over them in the CL 2 seasons ago.
We lost 3 games last season, you were slagging him off constantly then.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby ayrshireblue » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:36 am

Dubciteh wrote:Mental that this is even a topic.

6 weeks ago we were top of the league, 4 in a row, GOAT manager, sitting pretty in CL and now some people want him gone. Ud have been committed to an asylum for even thinking it.

We will be fine, pep will be fine, we had a season like this a few years ago and he turned it round. We will be back to our best soon.

When did we have a season a few years ago when we won 1 our of 10 games including 4-0 and 4-1 defeats, conceding 23 goals and only scoring 12? That is relegation form, that is what is mental here. The squad should be capable of beating teams like Feyenoord, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and definitely not being given the runabout by Liverpool, Spurs and Sporting Lisbon. We look no threat from set pieces but seem to lose goals from them easily enough, does nobody work on defending and attacking set pieces in training or is it all just social media content that gets done there? We will not be fine unless something changes, that can be either tactics, players or management. I'm not bothered which one changes but I have the feeling that the latter is stopping any of the former from changing due to his ego and stubbornness.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Dubciteh » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:57 am

ayrshireblue wrote:
Dubciteh wrote:Mental that this is even a topic.

6 weeks ago we were top of the league, 4 in a row, GOAT manager, sitting pretty in CL and now some people want him gone. Ud have been committed to an asylum for even thinking it.

We will be fine, pep will be fine, we had a season like this a few years ago and he turned it round. We will be back to our best soon.

When did we have a season a few years ago when we won 1 our of 10 games including 4-0 and 4-1 defeats, conceding 23 goals and only scoring 12? That is relegation form, that is what is mental here. The squad should be capable of beating teams like Feyenoord, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and definitely not being given the runabout by Liverpool, Spurs and Sporting Lisbon. We look no threat from set pieces but seem to lose goals from them easily enough, does nobody work on defending and attacking set pieces in training or is it all just social media content that gets done there? We will not be fine unless something changes, that can be either tactics, players or management. I'm not bothered which one changes but I have the feeling that the latter is stopping any of the former from changing due to his ego and stubbornness.



We were miles off it 2019/2020, not to the extent of this bad but that season was similar and we ended up potless. Despite all the recent losses we still have a chance to win some pots this season as unlikely as it may sound. Ur talking about a 6-8 week period of abs shite, some decent investment in jan, some luck and getting our players back and it can all change just as quick.

Changing the manager is not the answer. Apart from anything there is fuck all available, just look down the road at the rags if u think changing the manager is the answer.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby nottsblue » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:11 pm

Very conceivably we could be 10th in January will a real fight for 4th on our hands. I think our situation gets worse before it gets better

And I do think it will get better. Not to the levels we’ve seen the last 7 years but still a successful team nonetheless
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby PeterParker » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:35 pm

No one will sack him, btw.
Our board kept Hughes 1.5 years and he wasn't brought by them. Imagine a manager that won everything for us.

There are two big questions:
1. What happened?
2. Can he turn this around?
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Outcast » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:43 pm

Just out of curiosity, out of the injured players bar Roderi, who are we missing? Would these so called missing players changed our fortunes? I'm not so sure

The injuries are just coping out excuse for the poor results.

The question is not whether if Pep is the greatest, it's whether he feels motivated to do it again. If he wants to rebuild, he needs to stop signing these stupid short extentions and just sign a 5 year one and start rebuilding the next generation.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Mase » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:48 pm

Outcast wrote:Just out of curiosity, out of the injured players bar Roderi, who are we missing? Would these so called missing players changed our fortunes? I'm not so sure


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Re: Pep Out?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:49 pm

stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .

You've said he's fucked when he doesn't have all his top players available and you've been wrong every time until this season. We've missed players in every one of the 6 title winning seasons he's given us.
Who are the other top managers that make changes to stop the rot. Did Klopp when we he lost VVD and they didn't finish in the top 7. Did Arteta 2 seasons running when we've caught them up. Did Ancellotti when we pissed all over them in the CL 2 seasons ago.
We lost 3 games last season, you were slagging him off constantly then.



Try and stay in the present - I know it’s tough for you but give it a try.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby stupot » Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:56 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .

You've said he's fucked when he doesn't have all his top players available and you've been wrong every time until this season. We've missed players in every one of the 6 title winning seasons he's given us.
Who are the other top managers that make changes to stop the rot. Did Klopp when we he lost VVD and they didn't finish in the top 7. Did Arteta 2 seasons running when we've caught them up. Did Ancellotti when we pissed all over them in the CL 2 seasons ago.
We lost 3 games last season, you were slagging him off constantly then.



Try and stay in the present - I know it’s tough for you but give it a try.

Fair enough- so he's only fucked when he doesn't have his top players available this season.
And it doesn't matter what you said about the other top managers because it wasn't this season they didn't make tactical changes and didn't stop the rot.
I understand now.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby stupot » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:04 pm

Outcast wrote:Just out of curiosity, out of the injured players bar Roderi, who are we missing? Would these so called missing players changed our fortunes? I'm not so sure

The injuries are just coping out excuse for the poor results.

The question is not whether if Pep is the greatest, it's whether he feels motivated to do it again. If he wants to rebuild, he needs to stop signing these stupid short extentions and just sign a 5 year one and start rebuilding the next generation.

I think Oscar Bobb was the big one. Brilliant in pre season, MOTM in the Community Shield.. Hopefully he can hit the ground running when he comes back.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby salford city » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:26 pm

stupot wrote:
Outcast wrote:Just out of curiosity, out of the injured players bar Roderi, who are we missing? Would these so called missing players changed our fortunes? I'm not so sure

The injuries are just coping out excuse for the poor results.

The question is not whether if Pep is the greatest, it's whether he feels motivated to do it again. If he wants to rebuild, he needs to stop signing these stupid short extentions and just sign a 5 year one and start rebuilding the next generation.

I think Oscar Bobb was the big one. Brilliant in pre season, MOTM in the Community Shield.. Hopefully he can hit the ground running when he comes back.


I've been a fan of Bobb since he came through. Hopefully he can get back in the near future and contribute. I did see earlier in the week a rumour that we would offer him and mcatee as makeweights for Wirtz
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:26 pm

stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .

You've said he's fucked when he doesn't have all his top players available and you've been wrong every time until this season. We've missed players in every one of the 6 title winning seasons he's given us.
Who are the other top managers that make changes to stop the rot. Did Klopp when we he lost VVD and they didn't finish in the top 7. Did Arteta 2 seasons running when we've caught them up. Did Ancellotti when we pissed all over them in the CL 2 seasons ago.
We lost 3 games last season, you were slagging him off constantly then.



Try and stay in the present - I know it’s tough for you but give it a try.

Fair enough- so he's only fucked when he doesn't have his top players available this season.
And it doesn't matter what you said about the other top managers because it wasn't this season they didn't make tactical changes and didn't stop the rot.
I understand now.


I’ll have a stab in the dark and say they used numerous subs to try and change the game whereas Pep has to be one of the worst managers ,as far as usage of his subs is concerned.
How you or anyone else could even contemplate arguing against that would be borderline delusion.

Would any other top manager keep playing walker ? Even journos that are pro city cannot believe he keeps playing him .
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Blue In Bolton » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:50 pm

Mase wrote:
Outcast wrote:Just out of curiosity, out of the injured players bar Roderi, who are we missing? Would these so called missing players changed our fortunes? I'm not so sure


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You can throw Alvarez into that mix as well. No question that the small squad size has heavily contributed to the current situation and bears fruit to other clubs' fans spouting the mythical bollocks that we have two players for every position.
We haven't had this luxury since Mancini and to a lesser extent, Pellegrini were in charge.

It needs to be looked at closely and careful player recruitment planned and not just the below-our-level ones such as Kalvin Phillips, Mateus Nunes etc...
We have the Argentinian lad coming in January and hopefully a successful bid for Florian Wirtz plus take your pick from Atalanta's Ederson, Martin Zubimendi et al. That sorts out attacking and defensive midfield in one stroke with two players for one position (Rodri returning from injury and if not as a 6, then further forward).
Still can't believe we have never had a quality left-back since Pep has been in charge!
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby stupot » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:57 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
stupot wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Pep can only play one way , he’s said that many many times over and that is the reason why we are still losing games , he cannot change - other top managers would have made tactical changes to stop the rot - but not Pep.
I said he’s fucked when he doesn’t have all his top players available - he has proven that time and time again this season .

We are in for a shit show till further notice so we best get used to it .

You've said he's fucked when he doesn't have all his top players available and you've been wrong every time until this season. We've missed players in every one of the 6 title winning seasons he's given us.
Who are the other top managers that make changes to stop the rot. Did Klopp when we he lost VVD and they didn't finish in the top 7. Did Arteta 2 seasons running when we've caught them up. Did Ancellotti when we pissed all over them in the CL 2 seasons ago.
We lost 3 games last season, you were slagging him off constantly then.



Try and stay in the present - I know it’s tough for you but give it a try.

Fair enough- so he's only fucked when he doesn't have his top players available this season.
And it doesn't matter what you said about the other top managers because it wasn't this season they didn't make tactical changes and didn't stop the rot.
I understand now.


I’ll have a stab in the dark and say they used numerous subs to try and change the game whereas Pep has to be one of the worst managers ,as far as usage of his subs is concerned.
How you or anyone else could even contemplate arguing against that would be borderline delusion.

Would any other top manager keep playing walker ? Even journos that are pro city cannot believe he keeps playing him .

Totally agree with you re Walker. Don't think it was any coincidence that we were cruising against Forest with Akanji at RB until he got injured.
We had a good start to the season with Rico there. Unfortunately with Rico suspended, Akanji and Stones injured i can't see anyone else that could play there.
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby Original Dub » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:18 pm

Exactly.

Walker has been dirt but Rico isn't the answer and who else has he had to play there?

It's easy to say "he keeps playing walker, so it's his fault."
(Carl actually blamed pep when walker got sent off a few seasons back)

But it feels like he has little to no choice at the minute
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Re: Pep Out?

Postby PeterParker » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:28 pm

Original Dub wrote:Exactly.

Walker has been dirt but Rico isn't the answer and who else has he had to play there?

It's easy to say "he keeps playing walker, so it's his fault."
(Carl actually blamed pep when walker got sent off a few seasons back)

But it feels like he has little to no choice at the minute


I think we started the season with Rico as a Rb and won everything. I remember people were moaning he was dropped to make way for Walker.
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