***Official Brum vs City Thread***

[MaineRoadMemories]

Haha you all feel for it - of course a player from our bench could change the game - Vieira did a smashing job of letting Brum back into it!

[ashton287]

Im as pissed off at tonights game as most.

But talking about getting rid off mancini, get the fuck serious. He is an awesome manager and we are having a bad patch of form yet were still up there.

Some of the football we have played under him this season has been the best football i have ever seen us play and i have seen teams and us defend alot worse than we do.

Fact is you all got caught up in the media bullshit about winning the league after a few good games and thats your own fault because you dont know shit about football and nothing to do with mancini.

[Beefymcfc]

Ya ya out with a sore throat ? do me a favour.

If that is true then i am speechless. Modern day fucking footballers!!

Understandable.

[Trautmann]

Going in to this game we were missing Adam Johnson, YaYa and Balotelli

Then Micah threw a wobbler and injured himself and De Jong

Vieira came on and looked like a man who was not expecting to play tonight. Without de Jong we were hooped in mid field

So we got 5 key players out of the reckoning, and put someone out there who should not. (Zab would have been a better choice)

Paddy then proceeded to make two tackles, one of which cost us two points, and the second could have cost us all three. Nobody could have predicted that.

Our defence continues to struggle with set plays and crosses--basic stuff--a mystery why this is.

So I would say 30% manager, and 70% injuries are the root cause of our problems today. That said, I don't like the outburst of criticisms that come when we lose a bad one. This dip in form will pass, and we will take fourth, maybe even third. The other top clubs have all had periods where they stumbled, and they will again.

[Goataldo]

Haha you all feel for it - of course a player from our bench could change the game - Vieira did a smashing job of letting Brum back into it!

Haha.

I'm trying to be objective and I'm genuinely torn between it being a really soft decision, and an inevitable one because there was contact. The way I see it he'd given up on even trying to play the ball as it had squirmed away by the time he got there (ok not a positive for Vera) and was even less concerned with playing the man. Their trajectories took them into each other and we don't get the rub of the green.

In fact you know what - scrub that, a quicker, fitter player (or a younger Vieira) would not have given it away. He's too old for that sort of situation, as in that sort of game.

Buck stops with Mancini.

Right, my stream of consciousness has got me up to speed. As you were.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

"Paddy then proceeded to make two tackles, one of which cost us two points, and the second could have cost us all three. Nobody could have predicted that."

Sorry but yes they could and did.

[gillie]

We drew a game we should have won but hey shit happens.I am 51 and have been a blue 35 years and never seen us win fuck all and the way things are i ain't banking on that fuckin changing.Will it stop me supporting the lads will it fuck see some of you Satdi when we play WBA.

[Ted Hughes]

Going in to this game we were missing Adam Johnson, YaYa and Balotelli

Then Micah threw a wobbler and injured himself and De Jong

Vieira came on and looked like a man who was not expecting to play tonight. Without de Jong we were hooped in mid field

So we got 5 key players out of the reckoning, and put someone out there who should not. (Zab would have been a better choice)

Paddy then proceeded to make two tackles, one of which cost us two points, and the second could have cost us all three. Nobody could have predicted that.

Our defence continues to struggle with set plays and crosses--basic stuff--a mystery why this is.

So I would say 30% manager, and 70% injuries are the root cause of our problems today. That said, I don't like the outburst of criticisms that come when we lose a bad one. This dip in form will pass, and we will take fourth, maybe even third. The other top clubs have all had periods where they stumbled, and they will again.

They don't have time to stumble & neither do we. If we stumble now; this is the time when the teams who will challenge for leagues & the trophies start to play. Spurs laid down a marker with a weakened team tonight. Chelsea scored 4 away from home. We chucked 3 fairly easy points down the shitter by conceding two tragically bad goals.

[Trautmann]

"Paddy then proceeded to make two tackles, one of which cost us two points, and the second could have cost us all three. Nobody could have predicted that."

Sorry but yes they could and did.

Hi Douglas. Not sure what you mean. When I saw him coming on in place of De Jong, I thought he would prove ineffective. And so he did. He looked unfit to me--he was sweating within two minutes. . All that was foreseeable. But making bad tackles in and next to the penalty area?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

"Paddy then proceeded to make two tackles, one of which cost us two points, and the second could have cost us all three. Nobody could have predicted that."

Sorry but yes they could and did.

Hi Douglas. Not sure what you mean. When I saw him coming on in place of De Jong, I thought he would prove ineffective. And so he did. He looked unfit to me--he was sweating within two minutes. . All that was foreseeable. But making bad tackles in and next to the penalty area?

I think one of the things Vieira has always been is a poor tackle just around the corner. Now that he is in his twilight I think they are even more common and , although you would think he would know better with his experience, he makes them in the wrong places at the wrong times. His mind sees what to do but his legs get him to late to do it but it doesnt stop him.

So when I saw him come on I thought oh no he will do something stupid.

[Chinners]

I still can't believe Vieira has been given a squad place this season ... shocking stuff

[s1ty m]

I thought the 2nd half was utter crap and I think the manager is seriously messing us up. 4th starting to look dubious IMHO. Our best players are not his buys: Tevez, De Jong and Kompany. Actually, sod it, I don't know where to start, it's unravelling faster than I can compute and Mancini is really making a mess. I do't really see a better side than at the same stage last season, or 18 months ago, when I quite enjoyed watching the team.

[Ted Hughes]

I think that the idea with Vieira is that he's supposed to control the game like Scholes sometimes does, but insteaed it's often him who plays the dangerous, blind, pass in his own half or gives away the stupid free kick. Having him at the club has masked the fact that we're actually, unbelievably, a quality holding type player short if Nige or Barry don't play. Yaya is, so far, useless in that job.

I'll add to that, were a player short for the way Bob wants to play. I would have just moved Milner there & got on with beating Birmingham.

[blues2win]

I agree Ted. If Vieira has time he can distribute the ball very well but in the hurly burly of the Premiership he's too slow. Zabaleta hasn't got the distribution skills either. Vinnie might be a better bet in a holding role but then you lose him in the middle. Except yeterday he was shite.

My view of yesterday is that the back four was about as effective as egyptian tanks round Tahrir Square. Static, poorly organised. More generally our tactics were bizarre. Milner being exposed to jumping against someone far taller; no contest. The defence not maintaining a high line on free kicks. Well I could go on. I'm afraid further up the match Silva was uncharacteristically misplacing passes and Dzeko wasn't as mobile as he might have been. The players aren't that bad so Mancini has to look to his own laurels as he admitted aftwerwards.

Excuses? The pitch was a disgrace and that does hurt the more skilful team. The referee missed a clear penalty for us. We were unlucky to lose two important players in one incident. All that said there was a gulf of class between the two teams and we really should have won comfortably after such a good start. Part of the reason for such anger last night on this site is because this match was not an isolated incidence of poor form; it's happening far too often.

Sack Mancini? Don't be ridiculous. He's got to get it right but fast. But if he comes fifth this season he'll probably get the tin tack and deservedly so.