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Re: sterling

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:40 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:City have been way ahead of the game on this, & have money to spend & require players in that position, more than the others do, that's why others aren't as interested.

If Oscar or Willian went from Chelsea & City weren't involved, Chelsea would be in for him. Rags would be in for him if they had the money available & thought for one second that Liverpool would sell.

It's absolute bollocks to suggest other clubs wouldn't pay it, of course they would & what's more they will either this window, or next season if City don't.

And the transfer windoiw is already fucked. Utd paid 30 mil for a fullback.

How much would we want for Sterling or Barkley if they were our players & England internationals, based on that ?

And just in case there's any doubt, Mourinho bought a 24 year old SWP, who he didn't even need as a sub, from City, in 2005 TEN YEARS AGO for £21 million .


Wright Phillips was the best player at Manchester City, and the finished article - what Mourinho chose to do with him subsequently is irrelevant, Sterling remains very much a gamble.

I meant the market is fucked, in so much as this summer when we turn our attention from a potentially very good young english player who has won fuck all, to a potentially world class young french player who has played in the champions league final, won leagues and cups, we will be able to hear the Juve board laughing all the way from Manchester. Wolfsburg similarly, must be rubbing their hands together.
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:50 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Yes, the guys that paid 100 mil for Fernando, Mangala, Jovetic, Sinclair, Rodwell, Garcia and who will pay 50 mil for Sterling. Yes, those guys.
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Re: sterling

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:53 pm

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Ted Hughes wrote:City have been way ahead of the game on this, & have money to spend & require players in that position, more than the others do, that's why others aren't as interested.

If Oscar or Willian went from Chelsea & City weren't involved, Chelsea would be in for him. Rags would be in for him if they had the money available & thought for one second that Liverpool would sell.

It's absolute bollocks to suggest other clubs wouldn't pay it, of course they would & what's more they will either this window, or next season if City don't.

And the transfer windoiw is already fucked. Utd paid 30 mil for a fullback.

How much would we want for Sterling or Barkley if they were our players & England internationals, based on that ?

And just in case there's any doubt, Mourinho bought a 24 year old SWP, who he didn't even need as a sub, from City, in 2005 TEN YEARS AGO for £21 million .


Wright Phillips was the best player at Manchester City, and the finished article - what Mourinho chose to do with him subsequently is irrelevant, Sterling remains very much a gamble.

I meant the market is fucked, in so much as this summer when we turn our attention from a potentially very good young english player who has won fuck all, to a potentially world class young french player who has played in the champions league final, won leagues and cups, we will be able to hear the Juve board laughing all the way from Manchester. Wolfsburg similarly, must be rubbing their hands together.


The Juve board already have their valuation for Pogba, which is at least twice his real value, same as with Sterling. Anyone who thinks there are bargains is living in cloud cuckoo land. Utd have paid £25 mil for Depay, who plays in the same team as Karim Rekik.

SWP had done next to nothing in the grand scheme of things when Chelsea signed him. He was the star man at a mid table club on its way back down into the doldrums.. Similar idea to Lallana etc. Chelsea had money to spend.

If Chelsea were in the same situation now as they were then, they would be fighting tooth & nail for Sterling now & Pogba at about £75 million quid, at least.
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Re: sterling

Postby Dameerto » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:54 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Yes, the guys that paid 100 mil for Fernando, Mangala, Jovetic, Sinclair, Rodwell, Garcia and who will pay 50 mil for Sterling. Yes, those guys.

We're in a position to pay that kind of money (and offer the kind of wages being suggested) because of those 'clowns'.
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Re: sterling

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:59 pm

Dameerto wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Yes, the guys that paid 100 mil for Fernando, Mangala, Jovetic, Sinclair, Rodwell, Garcia and who will pay 50 mil for Sterling. Yes, those guys.

We're in a position to pay that kind of money (and offer the kind of wages being suggested) because of those 'clowns'.


Rodwell, Garcia and Sinclair were signed before Txiki arrived.
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Re: sterling

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:00 pm

Mancini wanted Rodwell, Garcia & Sinclair.

He could have kept the money, then perhaps used it in the next window.

Just to add; there are some who say that the advisors wanted Sterling then, rather than Sinclair.
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:05 pm

Ok, we are in the position to pay whatever we want for anyone because of those two.

Then name a world class player they bought. Not a good player like Navas or Fernandinho, a world class player like Sergio. I will answer, no one.

No one is saying they are not decent on what their doing around the club, but when it comes to transfers, they are beyond shit. They will offer bid after bid to a decent player like Sterling, decent, not world class, who will have his first scandal extra football in his first 6 months here.
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Re: sterling

Postby blues2win » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:11 pm

To be honest I don't think Sterling is much of a gamble. He's an established England international who was probably our best player in the World Cup, better than Rooney for sure. I saw a few clips of him not last season but the season before last and he looked really good then. Yes English players are overpriced but given that fact 50 million for Sterling isn't a startling figure if you have the money and can spend it which apparently we can. We badly need more pace in the team and he offers us a lot more than just that. He's actually an intelligent player who will flourish alongside the likes of Silva Bony and Aguero.
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Re: sterling

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:17 pm

PeterParker wrote:Ok, we are in the position to pay whatever we want for anyone because of those two.

Then name a world class player they bought. Not a good player like Navas or Fernandinho, a world class player like Sergio. I will answer, no one.

No one is saying they are not decent on what their doing around the club, but when it comes to transfers, they are beyond shit. They will offer bid after bid to a decent player like Sterling, decent, not world class, who will have his first scandal extra football in his first 6 months here.


This is actually bollocks.

None of Aguero, Silva or Yaya Toure were considered world class when we signed them. Barca went for Sanchez & we missed out, & got Aguero.

People on here were complaining that we had signed another def midfield player in Toure. Silva was an exciting signing, but none of the 'big' teams went balls out to sign him.

If we get the players we are after in this window, it is potentially very similar to the time when we signed those players.
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:31 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Ok, we are in the position to pay whatever we want for anyone because of those two.

Then name a world class player they bought. Not a good player like Navas or Fernandinho, a world class player like Sergio. I will answer, no one.

No one is saying they are not decent on what their doing around the club, but when it comes to transfers, they are beyond shit. They will offer bid after bid to a decent player like Sterling, decent, not world class, who will have his first scandal extra football in his first 6 months here.


This is actually bollocks.

None of Aguero, Silva or Yaya Toure were considered world class when we signed them. Barca went for Sanchez & we missed out, & got Aguero.

People on here were complaining that we had signed another def midfield player in Toure. Silva was an exciting signing, but none of the 'big' teams went balls out to sign him.

If we get the players we are after in this window, it is potentially very similar to the time when we signed those players.


Sergio was our our top target that summer, we missed Sanchez and went after Nasri, not Sergio?

He was not top class? Sergio?

He basically won the Europa League one year earlier single handed for Atletico. Plus scored in the final. I think you forget the semifinal with Scouse, when he provided Forlan with to passes that sent them in the final.

And again, Silva and Yaya i agree, even if they proved a shitload more than Sterling at that moment, but saying Sergio was not world class is bollox. He was their best player since his first season.
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Re: sterling

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:37 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Exactly. Laughable perspective.

We're just going to go sign 4 or 5 official partners in Asia or South America and we've nailed it.

I'm excited by this development if we've got the kid. He's an exciting little shit. Cambridge blue will look good on the lad.

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Re: sterling

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:43 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:City have been way ahead of the game on this, & have money to spend & require players in that position, more than the others do, that's why others aren't as interested.

If Oscar or Willian went from Chelsea & City weren't involved, Chelsea would be in for him. Rags would be in for him if they had the money available & thought for one second that Liverpool would sell.

It's absolute bollocks to suggest other clubs wouldn't pay it, of course they would & what's more they will either this window, or next season if City don't.

And the transfer windoiw is already fucked. Utd paid 30 mil for a fullback.

How much would we want for Sterling or Barkley if they were our players & England internationals, based on that ?

And just in case there's any doubt, Mourinho bought a 24 year old SWP, who he didn't even need as a sub, from City, in 2005 TEN YEARS AGO for £21 million .


Wright Phillips was the best player at Manchester City, and the finished article - what Mourinho chose to do with him subsequently is irrelevant, Sterling remains very much a gamble.

I meant the market is fucked, in so much as this summer when we turn our attention from a potentially very good young english player who has won fuck all, to a potentially world class young french player who has played in the champions league final, won leagues and cups, we will be able to hear the Juve board laughing all the way from Manchester. Wolfsburg similarly, must be rubbing their hands together.


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Re: sterling

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:59 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Ok, we are in the position to pay whatever we want for anyone because of those two.

Then name a world class player they bought. Not a good player like Navas or Fernandinho, a world class player like Sergio. I will answer, no one.

No one is saying they are not decent on what their doing around the club, but when it comes to transfers, they are beyond shit. They will offer bid after bid to a decent player like Sterling, decent, not world class, who will have his first scandal extra football in his first 6 months here.


This is actually bollocks.

None of Aguero, Silva or Yaya Toure were considered world class when we signed them. Barca went for Sanchez & we missed out, & got Aguero.

People on here were complaining that we had signed another def midfield player in Toure. Silva was an exciting signing, but none of the 'big' teams went balls out to sign him.

If we get the players we are after in this window, it is potentially very similar to the time when we signed those players.


Sergio was our our top target that summer, we missed Sanchez and went after Nasri, not Sergio?

He was not top class? Sergio?

He basically won the Europa League one year earlier single handed for Atletico. Plus scored in the final. I think you forget the semifinal with Scouse, when he provided Forlan with to passes that sent them in the final.

And again, Silva and Yaya i agree, even if they proved a shitload more than Sterling at that moment, but saying Sergio was not world class is bollox. He was their best player since his first season.


No, I remember it well. Aguero was not considered world class when we signed him. And he absolutely wasn't our top target, Sanchez was.

On 20 July 2011, FC Barcelona confirmed they had agreed to a €26 million fee (including €11.5 million in certain bonuses) with Udinese for the transfer of Sánchez. On 28 July 2011, Manchester City confirmed that Agüero had signed a five-year contract with the club.

Somewhere there is a thread with me saying fuck the Sanchez thing off & move for Aguero. And the fact that imo, where he had been a right talented headless greedy fucker for Atletico previously, he was showing signs of becoming a genuine top player that season & better for us than Sanchez.

If anything, Tevez & Higuain were rated above Aguero at that time.
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Re: sterling

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:07 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Exactly. Laughable perspective.

We're just going to go sign 4 or 5 official partners in Asia or South America and we've nailed it.

I'm excited by this development if we've got the kid. He's an exciting little shit. Cambridge blue will look good on the lad.

Cheers


This is the crux of it, will he improve our first XI? I think he will whilst also solving the homegrown problem. I'm not bothered by the money side of things, I just want to see improvement on the pitch and I believe Sterling is a good addition in this regard.
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Re: sterling

Postby MilnersJaw » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:15 pm

Original Dub wrote:
MilnersJaw wrote:why not just wait a year and get him on a free. no one else looks to be wanting to spend 50 million on this idiot.


If only we had someone seriously intelligent like you at the club ...
We'd sign sterling for free next year.

You are the stupidest cunt this board has ever seen. And that is high praise.


think you've had too much guinness mate. No other big clubs are chasing sterling, so why are playing their game? stupid cunt.
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Re: sterling

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:16 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
PeterParker wrote:Those two spanish guys we have in our board are clowns.

Fact.


The man who oversaw our revenue increase of 100% in the past three years is a clown?


Exactly. Laughable perspective.

We're just going to go sign 4 or 5 official partners in Asia or South America and we've nailed it.

I'm excited by this development if we've got the kid. He's an exciting little shit. Cambridge blue will look good on the lad.

Cheers


This is the crux of it, will he improve our first XI? I think he will whilst also solving the homegrown problem. I'm not bothered by the money side of things, I just want to see improvement on the pitch and I believe Sterling is a good addition in this regard.


Tbh, if we have things in hand financially & money to spend, the more of it we spend, the tougher things become for the rags, Arsenal etc. The exact system they have used in reverse, to keep everyone else down.

He is suited to the way we play, & also to the way our EDS kids play. So should fit now & in the future. How much of his potential is realised, we will see, but he's fast & tricky & works pretty hard closing down defenders.

In an ideal world, I wish our kids had the same game time to see if any of them could have done that job, but he is a bit older & there should still be opportunities for them as others are moved on.
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Re: sterling

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:38 pm

There are so many variables to consider that there is no single right answer. If the rest of our squad was complete, then we could afford to wait for Sterling, and, if it falls through, move for someone else in the last week of the season. But the rest of our squad is not complete - if we have someone else about to sign soon, even in a different position, the picture could change. On the other hand, there might be a plus for our future dealings in having one signing in place, both in terms of showing our intent for other deals, knowing how much we still have to spend and helping to clarify the balance of the squad. It is hard to say which approach is best without knowing where we are with other negotiations. There is no immediate rush, but I could see the logic of a further offer in a couple of weeks.
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:44 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
No, I remember it well. Aguero was not considered world class when we signed him. And he absolutely wasn't our top target, Sanchez was.



Who did not consider him world class? Maybe the same media that underestimates him every season in the league?

Before he came here, he was already two times World Champion under 20 with Argentina, and Olympics gold medalist. At the same situation, Falcao was not a world star when he was at Atletico, he had the same performances as our Sergio.

Sanchez was a player we missed, but we went after Nasri. Sergio and Sanchez are different players, Sanchez will never play on a position where Kun will play. Sanchez is more of a winger, inside forward, but never in his life as a second striker or poacher as Sergio does when we play 3 behind him.

We missed Sanchez, we went after Nasri.
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Re: sterling

Postby Bluez » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:51 pm

The fact is he is English and we need english. All english players have the "English" premium. How much did Liverpool pay for Caroll? Of all the players we are being linked with Sterling is the most likely to succeed as a player at the club. When you consider talk of £40 mil for Wilshire, who is a complete sick note with a history of injuries and is older, £50 mil for a player who could be a 1st team reappear for a decade doesn't seem too bad.
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Re: sterling

Postby john@staustell » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:36 pm

This deal was done ages ago. All this posturing is for the scouse press who have been primed with the details of the 3 bids all along. To help Liverpool save face it seems
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