pellegrini

[zuricity]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Just read a good report on Pellegrini on BBC Sport. Here is the link if anyone's interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22529972

I especially like the last paragraph:

And there is one final factor to warm the hearts of City fans: David Moyes' best Premier League finish with Everton was fourth in 2005, but the Toffees failed to reach the Champions League group stage after losing out in the preliminary round, with a 4-2 aggregate defeat.
Their conquerors were none other than Manuel Pellegrini's Villarreal. City 1, United 0?

Thanks for posting the link. A good read, that.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

[john68]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

[JonnyAsh]

With a foreign coach, there's usually at least one Brit drafted in with league experience..I guess it just eases transition.
I don't think Sven had one, as he knew all about English football with his national team set up, but I wonder who, if anyone is a likely candidate?
Kidd deserves a chance, but I wonder if he, himself would feel he's done his bit with Mancini.
Any ideas or thoughts?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

[john68]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

We're not crackers Piccs, (well we are but happily so)...You're just depressed.

[gillie]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

A distant second to a very poor rag team imo.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

But we were still gelling and getting better!
And don't forget the advantage of the "stability" we had.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't agree with that point of view. Hughes was deemed not good enough and sacked, same for Roberto

so winning the Fa cup and PL isn't good enough ? Whoever takes the job is a dead man walking .

At least there are some great places to go in Lisbon when we get to the CL final next season

Like I said on expectations thread, it's horrible platform for Pellegrini if supporters really genuinely feel that target should be winning just about everything. Dead man walking. And that's why I said that I predict that Pellegrini will be out in 12 months. The whole thing feels to me that he is being set up for failure.

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

That was the weird thing throughout this season reading posts here. People were going on and on and on how shit this united team was. The team that finished same points with us last year and that was mainly because they lacked elite finisher. Then they add one and still people were telling that they are shite. Well watching their games this season, they sure as hell didn't look "shit" at all. Unfortunately.

I'm not making excuses here for Mancini as such but that was really good united team work their arses off and generally dominating this league from top to bottom. I hate to admit it but that's just the way it was. Do I think we should've been closer to them in the end? Absolutely. Do I think we came second to a shit team? No.

We were going for Eden Hazard and RvP last summer and managed to bag neither. In league alone they managed bag combined 34 goals and gave 24 assists. And what was our downfall this year? Not scoring enough goals.

[john68]

We scrape the League by goal difference. Our two nearest rivals strengthen their squads with the same players we have targetted. We leave our buying to the last week of the window and get stuck with a choice of what's left and people EXPECT us to beat our nearest rivals by more than the year before...????

But we were still gelling and getting better!
And don't forget the advantage of the "stability" we had.

You need hair to do that Piccs...as bad as Noolie liking Curling.

Obviously Piccs, we were not getting better...you kept telling us. Now you're lying....:-)

[gillie]

what do you mean ? 'what planet ?' you know damn well we were still in with a chance until the cock up at Soton

Were we bollox.
It was clear we weren't good enough in September and gone realistically before Christmas. You're crackers. It was a very distant second.

We're not crackers Piccs, (well we are but happily so)...You're just depressed.

So you are upset that we got rid of Mancini are you John? Hence why you are rubbishing Pellegrini's imminent appointment.Well done mate thanks for giving him the same chance as Mancini.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Kidd deserves a chance, but I wonder if he, himself would feel he's done his bit with Mancini.

I was bit on a wind up in Kidd thread but I say this honestly now. Kidd is a fantastic number two. One of the best in the world without a doubt. But never ever should he be given another chance as number one. He was like a deer caught in the headlights in Blackburn. It was really really bad. Some people are natural managers and some people are natural assistants. Kidd is latter.

[john68]

Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.

[Scatman]

Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.

What do you believe to be the truth?

[Hazy2]

Being serious Michael. I don't agree with the sacking No. Am I upset? No Mate, I have seen too many come and go since McDowall in 63. Mancini will be well paid and soon back in work.

I am not rubbishing whoever our next guy is Mate. I am a blue and will remain supportive of my club.

I am rubbishing the shite that is coming out from Pixie and Dixie. They are lying and their lies are so blatant that it's an insult to City fans. They are treating supporters like sheep.

What do you believe to be the truth?

Not wanting to stir upto much but at Barca, they were both well repected Liked not sure, they have some history in the dark arts.

[john68]

Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.

[john68]

The football model.

Since the 1960s, there have been 2 extremely successful football dynasties (and others less successful or over a shorter period). At Liverpool, Shankly instituted the boot room. It was a place of open debate and often fierce argument. Those involved were all football based. It embedded stabilty but never stifled debate. It enabled Liverpool to change managers and remain successful. Liverpool failed when the boot room culture (for whatever reason ended).
The other more recent successful dynasty was/is at the swamp. Instituted by Taggart and designed by him. His style differed from the boot room in that it was is a patriarchal and dictatorial model. Sadly (for us) Taggart just happened to be somewhat superb at his job.

The important factors in both those dynasties is the quality of the football brains that drove them. It is no coincidence that Taggart has remained in situ. Though Moyes is the coach, Taggart will be on hand as a background Director of football, on hand to assist his protege and ease his passage. Taggart will ensure that the changeover will be as seamless as possible and ensure there is no power vacuum or opposition to that. Don't expect any major collapses in the longer term.

Sadly for us, Trixie has neither of those qualities. He has no history of being a football master brain or strategist. THE Barca model he is intent on setting up was not his. He joined it when it was fully operational and subsequently left it. Yet he is the man charged with creating and developing City's future. Not only is he NOT the Taggart figure, he has also ensured that any questioning or debate will be stifled...so no boot room style discussion or debate either. He is in total control. Whatever he says goes and should there be failure, it will be the coach that is exited. Mancini was not removed because of his record, nor because of his persona. He was removed because he refused to be a puppet.

I worry that reports now suggest that Pellegrini's(?) powers over football policy will be much reduced by Trixie. A top football strategist having to play subservient to a suit on football matters?

For the illiterates...It certainly contains aspect of the Swales era. An era when we slid from top to bottom because he allowed non football men to exert power over team and player affairs.

[mr fu]

Just watched some nobber on sky doing his level best to piss Pellegrini off

[Hazy2]

Hazy,

At the risk of some illiterate suggesting I am saying the total opposite, I don't think this has anything to do with Mancini's football record nor his persona. Everyone involved at City was and is well aware of who and what Mancini is. They also were and are well aware of the working environment he had set around him. Both the Sheik and Khaldoon were satisfied with their project under mancini's guidance, proven by a hugely increased and long term contract.

Sorry and Trixie were brought in to evolve City in 2 areas. Expand and increase our commercial sector and embed a City Football Culture within the club rather than a manager/personality, in order to also embed stability. I am fully in favour of both those things happening.

The devil is in the detail Hazy...If we look at the swamp, much of what the rags have put in place has been positive from their club point of view and also benefited their customers. Other things put in place have benefited their club but at a financial and social cost to their customers. Whilst City's increased commercial and global expansion is necessary and positive, I do think it wise to remain alert to other aspects of the clubs commercial activity at home. The rags massively increased their capacity but some of that was at a cost financially to their customers and many were disenfranchised. We should NOT merely accept what is going on but question.

I fully support the embedding of City Football Culture within the club. Rather than seeing the club pushed and pulled by each change of manager, it gives us a greater stability. But, there are worries I have about how this is being done at City. 1) The model being put in place. 2) Who is controlling that model. 3) The amount of power and control they have and how they are removing anyone who may give rise to questioning their policy. It all adds up to power and control.

Please don't jump on me yet as I will expand the football model thing in a subsequent post.

John, please I am a big boy member at Barca and watch football live all over Europe, The last week has been so bad for many reasons. The Mancini exit was when and nothing more, I was not a fan of his, I was the 1st to say he is gone last Friday 4.00 ish.

I am and will be forever looking upon his time with the greatest of thoughts, nothing he has done in the last 12 months will diminish his achievments at the great club that is MCFC. On 8th April we pissed all over the rags who came to laugh at us, what has happened . What we have seen over the past week is disgusting on so many levels I am stunned. How fans have not asked more of wtf is going on is beyond me, If ever the chant that used to ring around Maine Rd was to be re-hashed this is it. The future is bright and the club is in the hands of great owners. The Barca boys have been named Ghosts by me, for some time. I spoke at Euston with a great winger for City big in shirts, No comment. The silence today and all week from the club takes me back to The Makin days and a debate with Socs and NDQP. Mushrooms or fans take your pick. Soriano is a sneaky little shit, Read up on him, that is not to say he is top draw, how this week has been allowed to happen is more of a concern than anything to me as it is Chelsea Mk 2 if anyone doubts that why have we not allowed the season to end as it does in 48 hours. 3.5 yrs time over for Mancini after Norwich how hard was it.