MARK HUGHES THREAD (all hughes opinions in here please)

[Mase]

I just hope he doesn't use the "my teams have always performed better in the second half of the season" shite he said the other week. If so I might just write to City and ask them if next year I would be able to just purchase a half-season ticket. Save a bit of money that way.

[Bluez]

Surely there are moves being made in the backroom, hughes complained last year that he didnt have the players, now that hes squandered the chequebook I cant honestly believe that the owners arent looking for a replacement. Id rather spend 10 million on a manager who would actually deliver consistency.

I think the owners have a long term plan which involves success both on and off the pitch. I think right now respectability off the pitch is more important than success on it. They do not want to be perceived as big time charlies who splash the cash and chop and change managers on a whim as that will leave them open to major critism.

For that reason there is no way they will get rid of Hughes before the summer, even if ot looks like we will finish 10th. Whether you like it or not Hughes is a respected manager in football circles (rightly or wrongly), if hes fired mid season it leaves question marks over the owners (rightly or wrongly). If we finish the season in 10th no-one will bat an eyelid if Hughes is fired.

From the owners point of view they want to be the best club in teh world in 5 years, is it such a big difference if it takes 6?

But surely they don't want to be seen as backing failure either? Even they must have a tipping point where they say enough ius enough! And we know that they are aware of the need for speed in the early stages (get CL income to thwart UEFA) and that they did what was needed by bringing forward spending to last summer that was originally intended to be spread over the next couple of years. If they think that spending is not going to succeed with JLM in charge, will they not do what is needed again?

They won't back failure, but I think they will wait until they have confirmed evidence of it. Even now you regularly hear the press on the radio and podcasts etc saying that give it time and Hughes will trun it around, hes a good promising manager etc. If he turns this season round like he did last season after Christmas, we will be on for a top four place so the owners could be pummeled in the press for getting rid now. We score almost every game so just a couple more clean sheets and we would start quickly moving up the table so its not as though too much needs fixing. If we don't finish where the owners want to finish this season they will get rid they are not stupid. The question is what do they consider acceptable?

I think they think more long term, so 6 months is not much in a 5-10 year plan. They will decide at the end of the season.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Surely there are moves being made in the backroom, hughes complained last year that he didnt have the players, now that hes squandered the chequebook I cant honestly believe that the owners arent looking for a replacement. Id rather spend 10 million on a manager who would actually deliver consistency.

I think the owners have a long term plan which involves success both on and off the pitch. I think right now respectability off the pitch is more important than success on it. They do not want to be perceived as big time charlies who splash the cash and chop and change managers on a whim as that will leave them open to major critism.

For that reason there is no way they will get rid of Hughes before the summer, even if ot looks like we will finish 10th. Whether you like it or not Hughes is a respected manager in football circles (rightly or wrongly), if hes fired mid season it leaves question marks over the owners (rightly or wrongly). If we finish the season in 10th no-one will bat an eyelid if Hughes is fired.

From the owners point of view they want to be the best club in teh world in 5 years, is it such a big difference if it takes 6?

But surely they don't want to be seen as backing failure either? Even they must have a tipping point where they say enough ius enough! And we know that they are aware of the need for speed in the early stages (get CL income to thwart UEFA) and that they did what was needed by bringing forward spending to last summer that was originally intended to be spread over the next couple of years. If they think that spending is not going to succeed with JLM in charge, will they not do what is needed again?

They won't back failure, but I think they will wait until they have confirmed evidence of it. Even now you regularly hear the press on the radio and podcasts etc saying that give it time and Hughes will trun it around, hes a good promising manager etc. If he turns this season round like he did last season after Christmas, we will be on for a top four place so the owners could be pummeled in the press for getting rid now. We score almost every game so just a couple more clean sheets and we would start quickly moving up the table so its not as though too much needs fixing. If we don't finish where the owners want to finish this season they will get rid they are not stupid. The question is what do they consider acceptable?

I think they think more long term, so 6 months is not much in a 5-10 year plan. They will decide at the end of the season.

ALL THIS 5 YEAR PLAN IS BOLLOKS!!!! IF WE PERFORM LIKE WE HAVE DONE THE LAST DOZEN GAMES THEN HE WILL BE GONE LONG BEFORE THOSE 5 YRS ARE UP.....AGREE ABOUT END OF SEASON ALTHOUGH COME JAN 1ST AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE I HOPE HE GETS REMOVED A.S.A.P...I DONT THINK THE FANS WILL BE THAT PATIENT.

SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT TACTICS BEING OK ARE AS LAUGHABLE AS THE BENT REF FROM THE BOLTIN GAME......IIM STILL LAUGHING AT THAT COMMENT.

[Im_Spartacus]

Surely there are moves being made in the backroom, hughes complained last year that he didnt have the players, now that hes squandered the chequebook I cant honestly believe that the owners arent looking for a replacement. Id rather spend 10 million on a manager who would actually deliver consistency.

I think the owners have a long term plan which involves success both on and off the pitch. I think right now respectability off the pitch is more important than success on it. They do not want to be perceived as big time charlies who splash the cash and chop and change managers on a whim as that will leave them open to major critism.

For that reason there is no way they will get rid of Hughes before the summer, even if ot looks like we will finish 10th. Whether you like it or not Hughes is a respected manager in football circles (rightly or wrongly), if hes fired mid season it leaves question marks over the owners (rightly or wrongly). If we finish the season in 10th no-one will bat an eyelid if Hughes is fired.

From the owners point of view they want to be the best club in teh world in 5 years, is it such a big difference if it takes 6?

But surely they don't want to be seen as backing failure either? Even they must have a tipping point where they say enough ius enough! And we know that they are aware of the need for speed in the early stages (get CL income to thwart UEFA) and that they did what was needed by bringing forward spending to last summer that was originally intended to be spread over the next couple of years. If they think that spending is not going to succeed with JLM in charge, will they not do what is needed again?

They won't back failure, but I think they will wait until they have confirmed evidence of it. Even now you regularly hear the press on the radio and podcasts etc saying that give it time and Hughes will trun it around, hes a good promising manager etc. If he turns this season round like he did last season after Christmas, we will be on for a top four place so the owners could be pummeled in the press for getting rid now. We score almost every game so just a couple more clean sheets and we would start quickly moving up the table so its not as though too much needs fixing. If we don't finish where the owners want to finish this season they will get rid they are not stupid. The question is what do they consider acceptable?

I think they think more long term, so 6 months is not much in a 5-10 year plan. They will decide at the end of the season.

Sorry mate, I cannot accept the view that you put forward, that he "turned the season" round after xmas last year, as though he is completely absolved from blame for being in the bottom 3 on xmas day in the first place. It was only turned round because his team were so fucking shite in the first half, so it would have been hard NOT to have a better 2nd half of the season.

The fact was we should never have been in the predicament we were at xmas. We are now seeing a carbon copy of what happened last year, managers have worked out how to play against us, the results slowly slide firstly into mediocrity, then into farce.

This season, we have proven quality defenders who mysteriously have forgotten how to defend - as we did last season
This season, we have a team who sometimes look like they dont give a fuck - as we did last season
The quality of player who doesnt give a fuck, and the quality of the defenders who have become shite is significantly higher, thus questions have to be asked of the one who calls the shots - the manager who controls selection, training and tactics.

[Im_Spartacus]

And whilst we are on the subject of hopefully having as good a 2nd half of the season as last year, we took 29 points from the last 19 games of last season

Fucking bonzer that was.

[dazby]

He got us in a cup semi. He's got the job til that campaign finishes.

[Original Dub]

Yep, I'm getting a real pain in bollox lately because I though after the Chelsea game we'd turned a corner. I've spent my whole fucking life as a city supproter thinking we were ABOUT to turn a corner...

We were always a laughing stock.... now we're a rich laughing stock.

I don't know if Hughes is the problem, I honestly don't. I see the line-up every week and I have to say I'm never disappointed with them. I like the type of football we try to play and I don't believe Hughes tells the players to play in a certain way... I don't think he makes these players worse because that would be a really difficult thing to do,

However, it looks from the oputside that the players don't fear him enough to respect him and no matter how good he is potentially, I'm starting to think some of the big time charlies are thinking that they are better than Hughes and you just can't have that.

We have looked like a team once this season in the league and that was against Chelsea. Other than that, its been like we went out and put 11 fantastically gifted players together...

I think if Hiddink (and he's the only one I'd advocate, forget Mancini, Zico, Le Guen and all these other tools that Socrates constantly bangs on about) came in now, we would break into the top four next season. The thing is, we could still break into the top four this season if we stick by Hughes. I honestly don't know for sure and neither do any of you.

Al I do know for sure is that I fell the same this season as I've felt almost every other season... frustrated as fuck.

[dikdik]

To me Mark Hughes's move from Blackburn was akin to a premiership manager getting the England job.
It is a totally different animal.

City has moved on from stars to superstars. From egos to super egos. Mangement of these sort of people needs a total mind shift. Whether or not he has the tactical nous he does not have the full RESPECT of the players.

Hughes at Blackburn = McClaren/Middlesbrough

Hughes at City = McClaren/England


His personality is not going to change. The only way he can get respect is by buying in that respect cg Santa Cruz, Bellamy. I am now 64 and am, I admit it, selfishly wanting some short term success after waiting since 1976. I might not be around in 2020 ffs.
I think he's a nice enough guy but I don't think he has the cojones to motivate £100K a week players.
Enough is enough
Come on guys get real.
This antibiotic is not working. It will not work by giving it longer.
We need to change
Now

dikdik

[9secondlegend]

Yep, I'm getting a real pain in bollox lately because I though after the Chelsea game we'd turned a corner. I've spent my whole fucking life as a city supproter thinking we were ABOUT to turn a corner...

We were always a laughing stock.... now we're a rich laughing stock.

I don't know if Hughes is the problem, I honestly don't. I see the line-up every week and I have to say I'm never disappointed with them. I like the type of football we try to play and I don't believe Hughes tells the players to play in a certain way... I don't think he makes these players worse because that would be a really difficult thing to do,

However, it looks from the oputside that the players don't fear him enough to respect him and no matter how good he is potentially, I'm starting to think some of the big time charlies are thinking that they are better than Hughes and you just can't have that.

We have looked like a team once this season in the league and that was against Chelsea. Other than that, its been like we went out and put 11 fantastically gifted players together...

I think if Hiddink (and he's the only one I'd advocate, forget Mancini, Zico, Le Guen and all these other tools that Socrates constantly bangs on about) came in now, we would break into the top four next season. The thing is, we could still break into the top four this season if we stick by Hughes. I honestly don't know for sure and neither do any of you.

Al I do know for sure is that I fell the same this season as I've felt almost every other season... frustrated as fuck.

hmmm i think you are slowly turning against the inept one.

[Wonderwall]

Yep, I'm getting a real pain in bollox lately because I though after the Chelsea game we'd turned a corner. I've spent my whole fucking life as a city supproter thinking we were ABOUT to turn a corner...

We were always a laughing stock.... now we're a rich laughing stock.

I don't know if Hughes is the problem, I honestly don't. I see the line-up every week and I have to say I'm never disappointed with them. I like the type of football we try to play and I don't believe Hughes tells the players to play in a certain way... I don't think he makes these players worse because that would be a really difficult thing to do,

However, it looks from the oputside that the players don't fear him enough to respect him and no matter how good he is potentially, I'm starting to think some of the big time charlies are thinking that they are better than Hughes and you just can't have that.

We have looked like a team once this season in the league and that was against Chelsea. Other than that, its been like we went out and put 11 fantastically gifted players together...

I think if Hiddink (and he's the only one I'd advocate, forget Mancini, Zico, Le Guen and all these other tools that Socrates constantly bangs on about) came in now, we would break into the top four next season. The thing is, we could still break into the top four this season if we stick by Hughes. I honestly don't know for sure and neither do any of you.

Al I do know for sure is that I fell the same this season as I've felt almost every other season... frustrated as fuck.

pretty much sums up how I feel too OD. The players were totally out of sorts last night and we would be lucky to get 1/2 our money back on Robinho after that pathetic turnout. The thing is, I predicted that team and formation and was very worried about the left side, especially as we are all aware of what an in form lennon could do.

I am sure everyone on here was sat there last night and wondered why the hell we didnt shut lennon out by either doubling up on him or taking him out of that game by other means. This is where I think Hughes royally fucked up and the subs were wrong people at the wrong time. It didnt help that Lescott, Bellers and SWP were all out for this game after being in the side for the last one. Our pace down the flanks would have been a good way of getting lennon on the back foot. Especially with bellers helpiong out Sylvinho, he would have kept lennon at bay.

I was livid at the pathetic performance last night and its the first time I have been unable to take 1 single positive from a game this season.

[Original Dub]

Yep, I'm getting a real pain in bollox lately because I though after the Chelsea game we'd turned a corner. I've spent my whole fucking life as a city supproter thinking we were ABOUT to turn a corner...

We were always a laughing stock.... now we're a rich laughing stock.

I don't know if Hughes is the problem, I honestly don't. I see the line-up every week and I have to say I'm never disappointed with them. I like the type of football we try to play and I don't believe Hughes tells the players to play in a certain way... I don't think he makes these players worse because that would be a really difficult thing to do,

However, it looks from the oputside that the players don't fear him enough to respect him and no matter how good he is potentially, I'm starting to think some of the big time charlies are thinking that they are better than Hughes and you just can't have that.

We have looked like a team once this season in the league and that was against Chelsea. Other than that, its been like we went out and put 11 fantastically gifted players together...

I think if Hiddink (and he's the only one I'd advocate, forget Mancini, Zico, Le Guen and all these other tools that Socrates constantly bangs on about) came in now, we would break into the top four next season. The thing is, we could still break into the top four this season if we stick by Hughes. I honestly don't know for sure and neither do any of you.

Al I do know for sure is that I fell the same this season as I've felt almost every other season... frustrated as fuck.

hmmm i think you are slowly turning against the inept one.

I just want City to do the best we can. Its as simple as that.

If I knew for a fact that sacking this guy would bring success to the club, I'd want it done NOW. But like I keep saying, what we've done in bringing in a whole load of supertars to a midtable team and expecting them to gel and finish in the top four hasn't been done before to my recollection, so I'm not sure that there's a guy out there that will definitely achieve this.

I'm pissed off, no doubt about it. It was my birthday yesterday for fuck sake, but this isn't anything new in my relationship with City, so I'll wait and hope we knock shit out of sunderland. I have to have faith in these owners because they are the ones who gave me this dream.

I'm sure they are doing/will do what's right, so I don't have to spend all my time on here blowing a fuse shouting that Mark Hughes is the devil or Mark Hughes doesn't have clue about football etc.

There's no point.

[Bluez]

Sorry mate, I cannot accept the view that you put forward, that he "turned the season" round after xmas last year, as though he is completely absolved from blame for being in the bottom 3 on xmas day in the first place. It was only turned round because his team were so fucking shite in the first half, so it would have been hard NOT to have a better 2nd half of the season.

The fact was we should never have been in the predicament we were at xmas. We are now seeing a carbon copy of what happened last year, managers have worked out how to play against us, the results slowly slide firstly into mediocrity, then into farce.

This season, we have proven quality defenders who mysteriously have forgotten how to defend - as we did last season
This season, we have a team who sometimes look like they dont give a fuck - as we did last season
The quality of player who doesnt give a fuck, and the quality of the defenders who have become shite is significantly higher, thus questions have to be asked of the one who calls the shots - the manager who controls selection, training and tactics.

I never said we weren't absolute shite 1st half of the season, I just mentioned we did better points wise in the second half than we did in the first half.

[Twobob]

(Happy Birthday by the way OD!)

It really is starting to look that the team have lost confidence in Hughes too - in the same way that the Chelsea players did with Scolari (he had a good start and went down hill quickly), its taken a little longer but these are all players (with the odd exception) that have played under top class, intelligent managers.

They recognise weakness and will recognise when someone doesnt know what he's doing and will allways compare things to how 'X' would have done things ...

[Wonderwall]

are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?

[Twobob]

are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?

Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?

[Original Dub]

(Happy Birthday by the way OD!)

It really is starting to look that the team have lost confidence in Hughes too - in the same way that the Chelsea players did with Scolari (he had a good start and went down hill quickly), its taken a little longer but these are all players (with the odd exception) that have played under top class, intelligent managers.

They recognise weakness and will recognise when someone doesnt know what he's doing and will allways compare things to how 'X' would have done things ...

Cheers mate!

Yeah the only thing I can see that will force Hughes out is the players not repecting him... maybe he can't motivate the team.

Ah fuck it I'm too hungover...

[Wonderwall]

are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?

Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?

its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.

[Original Dub]

are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?

Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?

its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.

Absolutely. The voice of reason.

[ashton287]

our team is as good as any other and better then most, people talk about liverpool being weak so maybe we should be looking to break into the top four but with our squad we should be looking to challenge for the title not be hoping to be the fourth best team in the league, if he'd had the brains/talent/balls to make the right decisions we would have won most of the draws and be in there with chelsea and the scum, if we hadnt lost leads to fulham.liverpool.burnley and hull we'de be 3rd with a game in hand but we threw away the points because hughes lets it happen and the players no they can get away with it, you think a single player from last night would fucking dare play like that for murinho??? WOULD THEY FUCK BECAUSE HE WOULD END THERE FUCKING CAREERS but hughes wont do fuck all and they all know that so they play when they want to in games they want to against teams they want to and have done all season

HUGHES IS TURNING MEI NTO A FUCKING BOO BOY AND I DONT LIKE IT ONE FUCKING BIT at the start of this season i was having dreams, actual fucking dreams not just thinking it would be nice, of watching city lift the premier league trophy at eastlands and now were 8th behind birmingham for fucks sake how much did THEY spend this season and our game in hand will only take us upto 6th IF we managed to pull a win out but thats also doubtful if we played tomorrow we'de be more likely to draw and go above birmingham ON GD FOR FUCKS SAKE

I HAAAATE FOOTBALLLLLLL ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR

[dikdik]

What he said.