Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[brite blu sky]

Its not X-Factor, its football, we all want to be entertained, but at the end of the day if nobody can score against you then nobody can beat you, a goal or two and you've got three points, we need to find a healthy balance between defence and attack. Entertainment doesnt come into it. He's building from the back forwards. Success will come.

He's SOMETIMES building from the back. So we grit our teeth, draw 0-0 away to a decimated Arsenal team, lose to a last minute goal by the rags after not getting out of our own half etc, miss the Chump's league, start this season building a solid team, being fairly negative but picking up a few results, chuck in the League Cup, build build... oh wait a minute.. two novices next to each other v Arsenal= game over. Building? Plan? Boillocks.

It hasn't been a superbly executed master plan each game like some people, for God knows what reason, want to pretend, it's been a mix & match of different plans, some of which have worked brilliantly, some have scraped through, some have failed & some have been fucking disasterous. It's the idea that some people like to push; that it's all been moving along to some divine pattern that we shouldn't dare question, which does my head in & winds me up tbh.

No it hasn't.

3rd Arsenal played 12 23 pts
4th City played 12 21 pts

[Ted Hughes]

Its not X-Factor, its football, we all want to be entertained, but at the end of the day if nobody can score against you then nobody can beat you, a goal or two and you've got three points, we need to find a healthy balance between defence and attack. Entertainment doesnt come into it. He's building from the back forwards. Success will come.

He's SOMETIMES building from the back. So we grit our teeth, draw 0-0 away to a decimated Arsenal team, lose to a last minute goal by the rags after not getting out of our own half etc, miss the Chump's league, start this season building a solid team, being fairly negative but picking up a few results, chuck in the League Cup, build build... oh wait a minute.. two novices next to each other v Arsenal= game over. Building? Plan? Boillocks.

It hasn't been a superbly executed master plan each game like some people, for God knows what reason, want to pretend, it's been a mix & match of different plans, some of which have worked brilliantly, some have scraped through, some have failed & some have been fucking disasterous. It's the idea that some people like to push; that it's all been moving along to some divine pattern that we shouldn't dare question, which does my head in & winds me up tbh.



No it hasn't.

3rd Arsenal played 12 23 pts
4th City played 12 21 pts

So if we'd played our strongest, most experienced available team v Arsenal, we may be above them now.That Arsenal team lost at home to West Brom & Newcastle & struggled to beat West Ham during the spell where our novice CB playing next to our out of position novice fullback cost us the game. If we're going to be cautious, it would be much better to be cautious by playing our strongest most experienced available team more often rather than experimenting with unproven players, then perhaps we could have attacked v the rags without being so scared of dropping points as we may be 5 or 6 points better off.

That's where the divine plan doesn't add up imo. It only seems to exist when it suits.

[brite blu sky]

Its not X-Factor, its football, we all want to be entertained, but at the end of the day if nobody can score against you then nobody can beat you, a goal or two and you've got three points, we need to find a healthy balance between defence and attack. Entertainment doesnt come into it. He's building from the back forwards. Success will come.

He's SOMETIMES building from the back. So we grit our teeth, draw 0-0 away to a decimated Arsenal team, lose to a last minute goal by the rags after not getting out of our own half etc, miss the Chump's league, start this season building a solid team, being fairly negative but picking up a few results, chuck in the League Cup, build build... oh wait a minute.. two novices next to each other v Arsenal= game over. Building? Plan? Boillocks.

It hasn't been a superbly executed master plan each game like some people, for God knows what reason, want to pretend, it's been a mix & match of different plans, some of which have worked brilliantly, some have scraped through, some have failed & some have been fucking disasterous. It's the idea that some people like to push; that it's all been moving along to some divine pattern that we shouldn't dare question, which does my head in & winds me up tbh.



No it hasn't.

3rd Arsenal played 12 23 pts
4th City played 12 21 pts

So if we'd played our strongest, most experienced available team v Arsenal, we may be above them now.That Arsenal team lost at home to West Brom & Newcastle & struggled to beat West Ham during the spell where our novice CB playing next to our out of position novice fullback cost us the game. If we're going to be cautious, it would be much better to be cautious by playing our strongest most experienced available team more often rather than experimenting with unproven players, then perhaps we could have attacked v the rags without being so scared of dropping points as we may be 5 or 6 points better off.

That's where the divine plan doesn't add up imo. It only seems to exist when it suits.

How long has Wenger been at the Arse ?
How long has Mancini been at City ?

if Mancini hasn't made a perfect world then why hasn't Wenger with all the time he has had?

[Ted Hughes]

Its not X-Factor, its football, we all want to be entertained, but at the end of the day if nobody can score against you then nobody can beat you, a goal or two and you've got three points, we need to find a healthy balance between defence and attack. Entertainment doesnt come into it. He's building from the back forwards. Success will come.

He's SOMETIMES building from the back. So we grit our teeth, draw 0-0 away to a decimated Arsenal team, lose to a last minute goal by the rags after not getting out of our own half etc, miss the Chump's league, start this season building a solid team, being fairly negative but picking up a few results, chuck in the League Cup, build build... oh wait a minute.. two novices next to each other v Arsenal= game over. Building? Plan? Boillocks.

It hasn't been a superbly executed master plan each game like some people, for God knows what reason, want to pretend, it's been a mix & match of different plans, some of which have worked brilliantly, some have scraped through, some have failed & some have been fucking disasterous. It's the idea that some people like to push; that it's all been moving along to some divine pattern that we shouldn't dare question, which does my head in & winds me up tbh.



No it hasn't.

3rd Arsenal played 12 23 pts
4th City played 12 21 pts

So if we'd played our strongest, most experienced available team v Arsenal, we may be above them now.That Arsenal team lost at home to West Brom & Newcastle & struggled to beat West Ham during the spell where our novice CB playing next to our out of position novice fullback cost us the game. If we're going to be cautious, it would be much better to be cautious by playing our strongest most experienced available team more often rather than experimenting with unproven players, then perhaps we could have attacked v the rags without being so scared of dropping points as we may be 5 or 6 points better off.

That's where the divine plan doesn't add up imo. It only seems to exist when it suits.

How long has Wenger been at the Arse ?
How long has Mancini been at City ?

if Mancini hasn't made a perfect world then why hasn't Wenger with all the time he has had?

I don't think Wenger has a clue about defending tbh. George Graham & Don Howe built the backbone of Arsenal. Wenger put the icing on a very well baked cake. I'm not complaining about Mancini not building a 'perfect' situation at City though. I don't expect him to. I'm just commenting on the constant theme that keeps recurring as if he has & as if all the plans have worked so far. They haven't, not by a long chalk.

[Tokyo Blue]

Why is good defending not entertaining? I like seeing City defenders winning the ball.

[pears12]

If we won every game 1-0.. at the end of the season we won 3 trophies including the league, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining that we won by playing defensive football. If we win a trophy I really don't care how we win it, just that we won it. The FA cup doesn't say manchester city beat liverpool 1-0 but played boring football so don't deserve it.. all it says is manchester city won fa cup

[john@staustell]

If we won every game 1-0.. at the end of the season we won 3 trophies including the league, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining that we won by playing defensive football. If we win a trophy I really don't care how we win it, just that we won it. The FA cup doesn't say manchester city beat liverpool 1-0 but played boring football so don't deserve it.. all it says is manchester city won fa cup

Couldn't agree more mate.

But be aware there are some strange beings on here who would rather lose gloriously than win. Truly there are, I kid you not.

[john@staustell]

......."Given another two seasons to establish himself, I have no doubt Mancini will win the title.
Nobody in a City shirt will be fretting too much about ‘entertainment’ then."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... tests.html

[Swales4ever]

Neutrals generally give an unbiased account of a football game. Which is important, particularly when some people can't see a problem with our style of play and indeed intimate that the city fans who do see a problem with it are hysterical or have an agenda.

Our football for the most part is fucking BORING. My point is that everyone but a select few on here recognise this.

These people are not hysterical. They are not "knee-jerk". They do not hate Mancini.

My guess is they are concerned about the brand of football he delivers most weeks.

Its. As. Simple. As. That.

Indeed They don't. And surely They are moved by the same love and desire for City as the other people, maybe even more.
They simply are not cool enough - maybe - and/or easied to be side-tracked by their feeling from the mid/long term perspective.
History the greatest Teacher...

[Pretty Boy Lee]

If we won every game 1-0.. at the end of the season we won 3 trophies including the league, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining that we won by playing defensive football. If we win a trophy I really don't care how we win it, just that we won it. The FA cup doesn't say manchester city beat liverpool 1-0 but played boring football so don't deserve it.. all it says is manchester city won fa cup

Couldn't agree more mate.

But be aware there are some strange beings on here who would rather lose gloriously than win. Truly there are, I kid you not.

I don't recall seeing us win this week though?

[john@staustell]

If we won every game 1-0.. at the end of the season we won 3 trophies including the league, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining that we won by playing defensive football. If we win a trophy I really don't care how we win it, just that we won it. The FA cup doesn't say manchester city beat liverpool 1-0 but played boring football so don't deserve it.. all it says is manchester city won fa cup

Couldn't agree more mate.

But be aware there are some strange beings on here who would rather lose gloriously than win. Truly there are, I kid you not.

I don't recall seeing us win this week though?

Maybe not, but if the advice of a lot on here was followed we would've lost, sure as eggs are eggs. Maybe I should've said they'd rather see us lose gloriously than win a boring 1-0? Which some would, and have stated it. Against which no sane person can argue.

[Blue Since 76]

Would people on here be happy sitting top of the league, but playing Allardyce style football with Samba as a centre forward and midfielders who never touch the ball? Success and entertainment aren't mutually exclusive, if the balance is right. Wenger's got it wrong for several seasons, so they play beautiful football, but win nothing. However, look at Chelsea - how many goals have they scored this season, even without fat frank?

The rags did play exciting, counter attacking football when they had money. Even the other night, their passing was crisper than ours. Put silva and tevez in their side and they'd have murdered us.

I don't mind being pragmatic, seeing the odd game out, but he seems terrified of every decent team except Chelsea. Whether that's cos he knows Ancelotti and thinks he knows how to beat him, I don't know, but with the talent we have, teams should be scared of us, not the other way round.

[Ted Hughes]

If we won every game 1-0.. at the end of the season we won 3 trophies including the league, I sure as hell wouldn't be complaining that we won by playing defensive football. If we win a trophy I really don't care how we win it, just that we won it. The FA cup doesn't say manchester city beat liverpool 1-0 but played boring football so don't deserve it.. all it says is manchester city won fa cup

Couldn't agree more mate.

But be aware there are some strange beings on here who would rather lose gloriously than win. Truly there are, I kid you not.

Once again the master plan; win each game one nil it says, everything has been fine, it all makes sense, you're all stupid to ask questions. No questions should be asked; win the cup with lots of 1-0's beat everyone 1-0 we'll beat everyone 1-0 then draw v Utd ..but other than that, beat everyone 1-0, if we play like that, we win 1-0...

Sunderland, Blackburn, WBA, Wolves, Poznan.

If we're going to bore the shit out of everyone & win 1-0 then let's start fucking doing it. Otherwise will people just be honest for fucks sake & discuss each game for what it is ? Praise when it's due, criticism when it's due rather than bland idolisation?

[john@staustell]

Ted - you're getting like Hooty van Tooty and Rag-Hater all rolled into one!

Chill.............................................

[Ted Hughes]

Ted - you're getting like Hooty van Tooty and Rag-Hater all rolled into one!

Chill.............................................

Well it's doing my head in. I actually like the Italian git quite a lot & have just as many good things as bad things to say about him but we have a fantastic squad now & we should be more or less where we are, it's not some kind of miracle that can only be achieved by some fantastic tactical revolution that we're all to thick to understand. The miracle will be what happens when it comes together, not what happens now, which is very up & down. Wed was a definite down. Today may be much different. If it is I'll be praising him for it. If he plays a bunch of kids in the back 4 & we get beat , I'll be slagging him off. Someone then would tell me a good reason for him doing it.

[saulman]

We saw Burnley come to our place around this time last season and nick two points off us after we'd got ourselves in front. The game was an absolute corker. From an entertainment point of view it was top notch. How many people on here were happy with the result?

This debate about tactics will go on and on and on. It's getting almost as polarised as the Hughes hate/love rag bastard debate of last season. But, the massive differerence between the two is that Mancini is delivering the points and the position in the premier league that he has been brought in to achieve. Hughes wasn't.

Would people be happy for Mancini to forfeit his manegerial style at a cost of points? For him to do things our way rather than his? A little bit more Keegan-ish in the approach?

We are where we need to be. If it isn't broke, why is everyone so intent of fixing it?

[shawzy]

Call me a borin flucker but i really like our defensive style.Im now finding the Kolo and Komps partnership just as entertaining as the Tevez, Silva one.
So many times iv seen City play crackin open football...(Ala the 4-3 at the swamp) only to lose the game.Whats the point?
Carry on Bobby.Champs league here we come.

[Dameerto]

Shawzy I usually agree with you about most of your posts... and this one is no exception. Our two central defenders have been magnificent this season together and could well be the foundation of our success in future seasons. I really like to see good defensive performances and they tend to go unrecognised in general, they deserve far more 'good press' than they normally get.

[The Goose]

Shawzy I usually agree with you about most of your posts... and this one is no exception. Our two central defenders have been magnificent this season together and could well be the foundation of our success in future seasons. I really like to see good defensive performances and they tend to go unrecognised in general, they deserve far more 'good press' than they normally get.

Cheers for the welcome in the other thread fella. I agree that our two CB's have been exquisite at times this season. They have had a lot of praise though as well. Especially after the Chelsea match. Personally I believe that a time will come in the not too distant future where our first choice CB's will be the Boat and Vinny.

[Beefymcfc]

Once again the master plan; win each game one nil it says, everything has been fine, it all makes sense, you're all stupid to ask questions. No questions should be asked; win the cup with lots of 1-0's beat everyone 1-0 we'll beat everyone 1-0 then draw v Utd ..but other than that, beat everyone 1-0, if we play like that, we win 1-0...

Sunderland, Blackburn, WBA, Wolves, Poznan.

If we're going to bore the shit out of everyone & win 1-0 then let's start fucking doing it. Otherwise will people just be honest for fucks sake & discuss each game for what it is ? Praise when it's due, criticism when it's due rather than bland idolisation?

That's it in a nutshell really. If and when we are winning all these games 1-0 with boring football, then start making comments about us winning cups etc. Until then, wake the fuck up and actually debate the games we are playing, rather than the games we are yet to play.

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