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by carl_feedthegoat » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:48 pm
Beefymcfc wrote:johnny crossan wrote:A few extra haters added
I’m sure that all are fine upstanding members of the community.
by City64 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:03 am
by PeterParker » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:18 am
by Mase » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:21 am
PeterParker wrote:Interesting phrases put together by carragher.
I thought he had to be objective, right?
by carl_feedthegoat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:42 am
by Hazy2 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:47 am
by Bluemoon4610 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:05 pm
by carl_feedthegoat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:24 pm
Bluemoon4610 wrote:Think I'm going to push for my next grandson's name to be Martin Samuel..........
by Bluemoon4610 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:36 pm
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Bluemoon4610 wrote:Think I'm going to push for my next grandson's name to be Martin Samuel..........
He’s a fucking Star isn’t he and I don’t say that because he has our backs , as when we have fucked up on the pitch or off he’s had a go at us and won’t hesitate to have a go again , I say it because he strives to tell the fucking truth .
by Tru_Blu » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:57 pm
carl_feedthegoat wrote:Good Lad Stuart.
Jurgen Klopp is performing so many U-turns that you start to wonder if he is stuck on the football equivalent of Liverpool’s hellish Switch Island roundabout.
And former Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho has developed a goldfish-like memory of the way respectable courts of law operate, just 18 months after pleading guilty to tax evasion.
Inevitably, those two managers were at the forefront of the clamour to condemn Manchester City, despite the Blues being cleared of charges that they used the owner’s money to inflate sponsorship revenues.
The verdict of the Court of Arbitration for Sport could not have been clearer.
In huge, bold letters, right at the top of their decision, it said: “MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS BUT DID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFA AUTHORITIES”.
Even Arsene Wenger might have seen that.
The critics, predictably, piled in regardless. They have seen all the evidence they wanted to see, which was the hacked emails published by Football Leaks and Der Spiegel.
The fact that City insisted all along that they were innocent, and that an independent court would find them so, having seen BOTH sides of the argument, has been utterly ignored.
The snipers are not interested in both sides of the argument, and oblivious to the fact that three independent judges came to the conclusion that the Blues had not done what Uefa said they had.
For a man who comes across as reasonable and decent, Klopp leapt into this debate with indecent haste.
Manchester United manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer showed the right level of fair-mindedness, and deserves credit. When asked, he expressed his support for financial fair play (FFP) but refused to express an opinion on the CAS verdict.
Klopp, without seeing City’s successful argument, waded straight in, even suggesting – quite ridiculously - that the decision could lead to the formation of a world super league.
Of course, Klopp is becoming well-known for doing 180-degree turns in his moral stances.
After United splashed out a world record fee for Paul Pogba, an outraged Klopp said that he would walk away from football if he ever felt that spending big money was the means to success.
“The day this is football, I’m not in a job any more,” he said.
Then Liverpool had an enormous £248million splurge in the transfer market, the biggest ever by an English club, and the second biggest in world football.
The “exit” light was flashing for Klopp, clearly, but he had suddenly had a change of heart: “Did I change my opinion? Yes. That’s true. It’s better to change an opinion than to never have one,” he said.
But that opinion on spending only lasted as long as it suited him.
As soon as City got cleared of wrongdoing, Klopp refused to accept it, despite not having seen City’s side of the argument.
His initial viewpoint, that any big spending is bad, has miraculously morphed into big spending is bad if it is not based on your revenue.
Not only does that ignore the CAS verdict, expressed in big letters above, it also makes no sense.
He drew a parallel between allowing City’s "jet plane" to enter a race against Formula One cars.
Again, totally ignoring that his Liverpool F1 car just beat the City Typhoon fighter by a country mile in the Premier League race.
That was not because of some remarkable feat of engineering, but because Liverpool spent a vast amount of money, and because City have been constrained – by their own desire to be a self-funding entity rather than by the threat of FFP.
The fact that Liverpool’s record fee is £13million higher than that of City, for a player who the Blues could not afford to buy, tells the truth of that one.
It also ignores the fact that the “jet plane” has not been winning everything in sight for the last ten years, since the takeover.
Klopp’s insinuation, that Liverpool are spending good money, hard-earned revenue, while City are being funded by their owner, has been comprehensively smashed by the CAS verdict.
Even if it had been true, there is dubious sporting integrity about selling more club-branded toothbrush holders in Tokyo than your rivals.
Uefa have proved their flakiness many times down the years, and most people in football treat them with scorn and suspicion.
Until it comes to their hounding of City, of course, in which case Uefa are held up as crusader for truth, wielding a flaming sword of justice.
Mourinho took the stance that if City had done nothing wrong, why did they get fined?
He should look at his own personal history for the answer to that one.
Last year, he pleaded guilty to tax evasion charges in Spain and was given a suspended prison sentence and fine.
Presumably, if he had been cleared of the main charge but found guilty of a lesser one, he would have demanded that he be punished for the more serious charges, as well.
City WERE found guilty of obstructing the initial Uefa investigation, but the club has always insisted that investigation was based on a “clear and organised” assault on their reputation, and would be disproved by an independent inquiry – which has proved prescient.
Uefa’s eagerness to prosecute, on the back of emails which were hacked or stolen, was obscene.
They blatantly broke their own rules in their headlong pursuit of the Blues, hence some of the alleged breaches being thrown out by CAS as “time-barred”.
Their desperation to do the Blues is obvious in that action alone.
They willingly based their whole case on evidence which had been gained illicitly, by a man currently awaiting trial in Portugal - another decision of dubious moral integrity.
And they leaked details of the case to selected media throughout, yet another breach of fair process, and one of which CAS took a dim view.
Yet this is the body which City are meant to trust to carry out a fair investigation?
Mourinho would be a hoot as a prosecuting lawyer “Your honour the defendant has been found not guilty of murder, but he HAS been found guilty of parking on double yellow lines. If he is guilty of one offence, he must be guilty of both, and the prosecution calls for the death penalty!”
Klopp and Mourinho – the managers of two clubs who have most to lose from City being strong - have seen one side of the argument and are refusing to accept a legitimate outcome.
The men who HAVE seen both sides of the argument say City have done little wrong. To whom should we listen?
by CTID Hants » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:50 pm
Tru_Blu wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Good Lad Stuart.
Jurgen Klopp is performing so many U-turns that you start to wonder if he is stuck on the football equivalent of Liverpool’s hellish Switch Island roundabout.
And former Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho has developed a goldfish-like memory of the way respectable courts of law operate, just 18 months after pleading guilty to tax evasion.
Inevitably, those two managers were at the forefront of the clamour to condemn Manchester City, despite the Blues being cleared of charges that they used the owner’s money to inflate sponsorship revenues.
The verdict of the Court of Arbitration for Sport could not have been clearer.
In huge, bold letters, right at the top of their decision, it said: “MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS BUT DID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFA AUTHORITIES”.
Even Arsene Wenger might have seen that.
The critics, predictably, piled in regardless. They have seen all the evidence they wanted to see, which was the hacked emails published by Football Leaks and Der Spiegel.
The fact that City insisted all along that they were innocent, and that an independent court would find them so, having seen BOTH sides of the argument, has been utterly ignored.
The snipers are not interested in both sides of the argument, and oblivious to the fact that three independent judges came to the conclusion that the Blues had not done what Uefa said they had.
For a man who comes across as reasonable and decent, Klopp leapt into this debate with indecent haste.
Manchester United manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer showed the right level of fair-mindedness, and deserves credit. When asked, he expressed his support for financial fair play (FFP) but refused to express an opinion on the CAS verdict.
Klopp, without seeing City’s successful argument, waded straight in, even suggesting – quite ridiculously - that the decision could lead to the formation of a world super league.
Of course, Klopp is becoming well-known for doing 180-degree turns in his moral stances.
After United splashed out a world record fee for Paul Pogba, an outraged Klopp said that he would walk away from football if he ever felt that spending big money was the means to success.
“The day this is football, I’m not in a job any more,” he said.
Then Liverpool had an enormous £248million splurge in the transfer market, the biggest ever by an English club, and the second biggest in world football.
The “exit” light was flashing for Klopp, clearly, but he had suddenly had a change of heart: “Did I change my opinion? Yes. That’s true. It’s better to change an opinion than to never have one,” he said.
But that opinion on spending only lasted as long as it suited him.
As soon as City got cleared of wrongdoing, Klopp refused to accept it, despite not having seen City’s side of the argument.
His initial viewpoint, that any big spending is bad, has miraculously morphed into big spending is bad if it is not based on your revenue.
Not only does that ignore the CAS verdict, expressed in big letters above, it also makes no sense.
He drew a parallel between allowing City’s "jet plane" to enter a race against Formula One cars.
Again, totally ignoring that his Liverpool F1 car just beat the City Typhoon fighter by a country mile in the Premier League race.
That was not because of some remarkable feat of engineering, but because Liverpool spent a vast amount of money, and because City have been constrained – by their own desire to be a self-funding entity rather than by the threat of FFP.
The fact that Liverpool’s record fee is £13million higher than that of City, for a player who the Blues could not afford to buy, tells the truth of that one.
It also ignores the fact that the “jet plane” has not been winning everything in sight for the last ten years, since the takeover.
Klopp’s insinuation, that Liverpool are spending good money, hard-earned revenue, while City are being funded by their owner, has been comprehensively smashed by the CAS verdict.
Even if it had been true, there is dubious sporting integrity about selling more club-branded toothbrush holders in Tokyo than your rivals.
Uefa have proved their flakiness many times down the years, and most people in football treat them with scorn and suspicion.
Until it comes to their hounding of City, of course, in which case Uefa are held up as crusader for truth, wielding a flaming sword of justice.
Mourinho took the stance that if City had done nothing wrong, why did they get fined?
He should look at his own personal history for the answer to that one.
Last year, he pleaded guilty to tax evasion charges in Spain and was given a suspended prison sentence and fine.
Presumably, if he had been cleared of the main charge but found guilty of a lesser one, he would have demanded that he be punished for the more serious charges, as well.
City WERE found guilty of obstructing the initial Uefa investigation, but the club has always insisted that investigation was based on a “clear and organised” assault on their reputation, and would be disproved by an independent inquiry – which has proved prescient.
Uefa’s eagerness to prosecute, on the back of emails which were hacked or stolen, was obscene.
They blatantly broke their own rules in their headlong pursuit of the Blues, hence some of the alleged breaches being thrown out by CAS as “time-barred”.
Their desperation to do the Blues is obvious in that action alone.
They willingly based their whole case on evidence which had been gained illicitly, by a man currently awaiting trial in Portugal - another decision of dubious moral integrity.
And they leaked details of the case to selected media throughout, yet another breach of fair process, and one of which CAS took a dim view.
Yet this is the body which City are meant to trust to carry out a fair investigation?
Mourinho would be a hoot as a prosecuting lawyer “Your honour the defendant has been found not guilty of murder, but he HAS been found guilty of parking on double yellow lines. If he is guilty of one offence, he must be guilty of both, and the prosecution calls for the death penalty!”
Klopp and Mourinho – the managers of two clubs who have most to lose from City being strong - have seen one side of the argument and are refusing to accept a legitimate outcome.
The men who HAVE seen both sides of the argument say City have done little wrong. To whom should we listen?
Great Lad
by carl_feedthegoat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:58 pm
CTID Hants wrote:Tru_Blu wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:Good Lad Stuart.
Jurgen Klopp is performing so many U-turns that you start to wonder if he is stuck on the football equivalent of Liverpool’s hellish Switch Island roundabout.
And former Manchester United boss Jose Mourinho has developed a goldfish-like memory of the way respectable courts of law operate, just 18 months after pleading guilty to tax evasion.
Inevitably, those two managers were at the forefront of the clamour to condemn Manchester City, despite the Blues being cleared of charges that they used the owner’s money to inflate sponsorship revenues.
The verdict of the Court of Arbitration for Sport could not have been clearer.
In huge, bold letters, right at the top of their decision, it said: “MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS BUT DID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE UEFA AUTHORITIES”.
Even Arsene Wenger might have seen that.
The critics, predictably, piled in regardless. They have seen all the evidence they wanted to see, which was the hacked emails published by Football Leaks and Der Spiegel.
The fact that City insisted all along that they were innocent, and that an independent court would find them so, having seen BOTH sides of the argument, has been utterly ignored.
The snipers are not interested in both sides of the argument, and oblivious to the fact that three independent judges came to the conclusion that the Blues had not done what Uefa said they had.
For a man who comes across as reasonable and decent, Klopp leapt into this debate with indecent haste.
Manchester United manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer showed the right level of fair-mindedness, and deserves credit. When asked, he expressed his support for financial fair play (FFP) but refused to express an opinion on the CAS verdict.
Klopp, without seeing City’s successful argument, waded straight in, even suggesting – quite ridiculously - that the decision could lead to the formation of a world super league.
Of course, Klopp is becoming well-known for doing 180-degree turns in his moral stances.
After United splashed out a world record fee for Paul Pogba, an outraged Klopp said that he would walk away from football if he ever felt that spending big money was the means to success.
“The day this is football, I’m not in a job any more,” he said.
Then Liverpool had an enormous £248million splurge in the transfer market, the biggest ever by an English club, and the second biggest in world football.
The “exit” light was flashing for Klopp, clearly, but he had suddenly had a change of heart: “Did I change my opinion? Yes. That’s true. It’s better to change an opinion than to never have one,” he said.
But that opinion on spending only lasted as long as it suited him.
As soon as City got cleared of wrongdoing, Klopp refused to accept it, despite not having seen City’s side of the argument.
His initial viewpoint, that any big spending is bad, has miraculously morphed into big spending is bad if it is not based on your revenue.
Not only does that ignore the CAS verdict, expressed in big letters above, it also makes no sense.
He drew a parallel between allowing City’s "jet plane" to enter a race against Formula One cars.
Again, totally ignoring that his Liverpool F1 car just beat the City Typhoon fighter by a country mile in the Premier League race.
That was not because of some remarkable feat of engineering, but because Liverpool spent a vast amount of money, and because City have been constrained – by their own desire to be a self-funding entity rather than by the threat of FFP.
The fact that Liverpool’s record fee is £13million higher than that of City, for a player who the Blues could not afford to buy, tells the truth of that one.
It also ignores the fact that the “jet plane” has not been winning everything in sight for the last ten years, since the takeover.
Klopp’s insinuation, that Liverpool are spending good money, hard-earned revenue, while City are being funded by their owner, has been comprehensively smashed by the CAS verdict.
Even if it had been true, there is dubious sporting integrity about selling more club-branded toothbrush holders in Tokyo than your rivals.
Uefa have proved their flakiness many times down the years, and most people in football treat them with scorn and suspicion.
Until it comes to their hounding of City, of course, in which case Uefa are held up as crusader for truth, wielding a flaming sword of justice.
Mourinho took the stance that if City had done nothing wrong, why did they get fined?
He should look at his own personal history for the answer to that one.
Last year, he pleaded guilty to tax evasion charges in Spain and was given a suspended prison sentence and fine.
Presumably, if he had been cleared of the main charge but found guilty of a lesser one, he would have demanded that he be punished for the more serious charges, as well.
City WERE found guilty of obstructing the initial Uefa investigation, but the club has always insisted that investigation was based on a “clear and organised” assault on their reputation, and would be disproved by an independent inquiry – which has proved prescient.
Uefa’s eagerness to prosecute, on the back of emails which were hacked or stolen, was obscene.
They blatantly broke their own rules in their headlong pursuit of the Blues, hence some of the alleged breaches being thrown out by CAS as “time-barred”.
Their desperation to do the Blues is obvious in that action alone.
They willingly based their whole case on evidence which had been gained illicitly, by a man currently awaiting trial in Portugal - another decision of dubious moral integrity.
And they leaked details of the case to selected media throughout, yet another breach of fair process, and one of which CAS took a dim view.
Yet this is the body which City are meant to trust to carry out a fair investigation?
Mourinho would be a hoot as a prosecuting lawyer “Your honour the defendant has been found not guilty of murder, but he HAS been found guilty of parking on double yellow lines. If he is guilty of one offence, he must be guilty of both, and the prosecution calls for the death penalty!”
Klopp and Mourinho – the managers of two clubs who have most to lose from City being strong - have seen one side of the argument and are refusing to accept a legitimate outcome.
The men who HAVE seen both sides of the argument say City have done little wrong. To whom should we listen?
Great Lad
Carl, do you have a link to this i want shove up the arse of a very thick hammers fan (also follows the rags LOL), he's beginning to get on my tits being verbal on FB.
by trueblue64 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:02 pm
by carl_feedthegoat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:04 pm
trueblue64 wrote:'UEFA holds peace talks with Manchester City'
http://www.skysports.com/share/12029507
by Mase » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:04 pm
trueblue64 wrote:'UEFA holds peace talks with Manchester City'
http://www.skysports.com/share/12029507
by blues2win » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:07 pm
by brite blu sky » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:24 pm
carl_feedthegoat wrote:trueblue64 wrote:'UEFA holds peace talks with Manchester City'
http://www.skysports.com/share/12029507
We instigated it...apparently.
Personally, I wouldn't have bothered as their contempt for us is plain and obvious.
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by Hutch's Shoulder » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:50 pm
brite blu sky wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:trueblue64 wrote:'UEFA holds peace talks with Manchester City'
http://www.skysports.com/share/12029507
We instigated it...apparently.
Personally, I wouldn't have bothered as their contempt for us is plain and obvious.
Well we might be doing this to gauge the mood at uefa.
Khaldoon could be using it to assess how much uefa feel they have been led down a blind ally by being a tool of the Club Cartel.
if you get the drift that City are clearly a powerful force and that the tide is now on the turn, uefa got to look silly by doing the bidding of the Club Cartel and they will know that and feel it. So we may all be surprised how uefa may now be looking for other options in terms of support. They may also have a sense that the tide is turning and even if City can engineer some doubt in uefa towards the policy of kow-towing to the Cartel, then it could be very much worth it in the long run.
If anyone in this whole charade knows best how to play the long game it will be our club - look at what they have done in M/c, and look at the patience of the last 10 years in waiting for an opportunity to start hitting back.
There is some cleverness in giving uefa a sense of another possible path for themselves gong forward.
Our guys are smart - more than can be said for all the other fucking clowns
by worzel » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:03 pm
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